So can you provide me proof, that he actually said 'white' people are the Ãœbermensch?

Proof not needed.
From what I now have read he is a really EVIL person.
Thanks Sten Arne

So can you provide me proof, that he actually said 'white' people are the Ãœbermensch?

The “race” which Steiner described in positive terms was – not surprisingly – the white one. When listing the different “races”, he described how they were inflicted by “hardening” of different organs. The list ended with those people who “did not become hardened at all”. They were found in “those areas that comprise of today’s Europe and Asia.” 18

18.Welt, Erde und Mensch, p. 6:17

Elsewhere, he stated that “the most mature characteristica are found in the European area. It is simply (a natural) law.” 19

19.Die Mission einzelner Volksseelen, p. 4:9.

I think he might be right here...

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The group of people that Steiner found least appealing was the native American Indians. Even though these had a certain age in human life, Steiner considered their case to be connected with “the forces that have a lot to do with human extinction.” 14

He described the Indians as “a degenerated human race”, 15 which was the reason why they had succumbed to such a degree.

14.Die Mission einzelner Volksseelen, p. 4:9.
15.Welt, Erde und Mensch, p. 6:16.

Can you provide me with a link? I want to read his words, not yours, np if it's in German.

You have the references, and you said that you have read and studied Steiner so much. Don't tell me that you haven't got those important books in your home, or the nearest library? Perhaps you haven't really studied Steiner...

I reckognize your words as the words of a critic, those are not his words, if only for the way you build your sentences.

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So can you provide me proof, that he actually said 'white' people are the Ãœbermensch?

Proof not needed.
From what I now have read he is a really EVIL person.
Thanks Sten Arne

Have you read Sten-Arne's posts or Steiner himself? Big difference...

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The group of people that Steiner found least appealing was the native American Indians. Even though these had a certain age in human life, Steiner considered their case to be connected with “the forces that have a lot to do with human extinction.” 14

He described the Indians as “a degenerated human race”, 15 which was the reason why they had succumbed to such a degree.

14.Die Mission einzelner Volksseelen, p. 4:9.
15.Welt, Erde und Mensch, p. 6:16.

Can you provide me with a link? I want to read his words, not yours, np if it's in German.

You have the references, and you said that you have read and studied Steiner so much. Don't tell me that you haven't got those important books in your home, or the nearest library? Perhaps you haven't really studied Steiner...

I reckognize your words as the words of a critic, those are not his words, if only for the way you build your sentences.

Are you even remotely aware that you are digging yourself deeper and deeper into the ground?

Nope, you? I'm just saying what I see here, Mr. Critic, or should I say Mr. Absolutist?

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So can you provide me proof, that he actually said 'white' people are the Ãœbermensch?

Proof not needed.
From what I now have read he is a really EVIL person.
Thanks Sten Arne

Have you read Sten-Arne's posts or Steiner himself? Big difference...

No the critic of Steiner.
You do not have to read much to see Steiner standpoint.
Ãœbermensch all over the Place.
Why are you so interested of Steiner?

Nice topic on a Friday night.

Cheers

So can you provide me proof, that he actually said 'white' people are the Ãœbermensch?

Proof not needed.
From what I now have read he is a really EVIL person.
Thanks Sten Arne

Have you read Sten-Arne's posts or Steiner himself? Big difference...

No the critic of Steiner.
You do not have to read much to see Steiner standpoint.
Ãœbermensch all over the Place.
Why are you so interested of Steiner?

I've read so many books of him, why did that idea NEVER cross my mind? And don't tell me now, Sten-Arne that I'm ridiculous in 'not noticing' it. I keep my standpoint AND my profile, period.

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Steiner’s drawing of the “evolution of humankind” through the various stages – Hyperborea, Lemuria, Atlantis — from lower to higher forms (fish to reptiles to mammals etc), with the top three categories marked “apes,” then (American) “Indians,” then at the very top “Aryans.” Steiner’s 1907 lecture refers to both apes and Indians as “decadent side branches” of evolution.

Hurra
Vi skandinavier är högst upp.
We scandinaves are on top!

Steiner’s drawing of the “evolution of humankind” through the various stages – Hyperborea, Lemuria, Atlantis — from lower to higher forms (fish to reptiles to mammals etc), with the top three categories marked “apes,” then (American) “Indians,” then at the very top “Aryans.” Steiner’s 1907 lecture refers to both apes and Indians as “decadent side branches” of evolution.

Hurra
Vi skandinavier är högst upp.
We scandinaves are on top!

Hurray, good for you folks:)

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So can you provide me proof, that he actually said 'white' people are the Ãœbermensch?

Proof not needed.
From what I now have read he is a really EVIL person.
Thanks Sten Arne

Have you read Sten-Arne's posts or Steiner himself? Big difference...

No the critic of Steiner.
You do not have to read much to see Steiner standpoint.
Ãœbermensch all over the Place.
Why are you so interested of Steiner?

I've read so many books of him, why did that idea NEVER cross my mind? And don't tell me now, Sten-Arne that I'm ridiculous in 'not noticing' it. I keep my standpoint AND my profile, period.

Here is what I read about him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Steiner#Race_and_ethnicity
In the context of his ethical individualism, Steiner considered "race, folk, ethnicity and gender" to be general, describable categories into which individuals may choose to fit, but from which free human beings can and will liberate themselves
Makes me feel sick.

So can you provide me proof, that he actually said 'white' people are the Ãœbermensch?

Proof not needed.
From what I now have read he is a really EVIL person.
Thanks Sten Arne

Have you read Sten-Arne's posts or Steiner himself? Big difference...

No the critic of Steiner.
You do not have to read much to see Steiner standpoint.
Ãœbermensch all over the Place.
Why are you so interested of Steiner?

I've read so many books of him, why did that idea NEVER cross my mind? And don't tell me now, Sten-Arne that I'm ridiculous in 'not noticing' it. I keep my standpoint AND my profile, period.

Here is what I read about him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Steiner#Race_and_ethnicity
In the context of his ethical individualism, Steiner considered "race, folk, ethnicity and gender" to be general, describable categories into which individuals may choose to fit, but from which free human beings can and will liberate themselves
Makes me feel sick.

In the context of his ethical individualism, Steiner considered "race, folk, ethnicity and gender" to be general, describable categories into which individuals may choose to fit, but from which free human beings can and will liberate themselves.[27]

Love this part:) Sorry to disagree with you, Janne:(

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Steiner’s drawing of the “evolution of humankind” through the various stages – Hyperborea, Lemuria, Atlantis — from lower to higher forms (fish to reptiles to mammals etc), with the top three categories marked “apes,” then (American) “Indians,” then at the very top “Aryans.” Steiner’s 1907 lecture refers to both apes and Indians as “decadent side branches” of evolution.

Hurra
Vi skandinavier är högst upp.
We scandinaves are on top!

Hurray, good for you folks:)

But that means that Brits, Germans and most US peoples are on the top as well
And Dutch and Flemish from Belgium:)

Love this part:) Sorry to disagree with you, Janne:(

Julie. Remember intuition?
Thats what I feel when reading about him.

I Think I go to "Beer Drinkers thread part 18" instead:)

Cheers.

Love this part:) Sorry to disagree with you, Janne:(

Julie. Remember intuition?
Thats what I feel when reading about him.

I Think I go to "Beer Drinkers thread part 18" instead:)

Cheers.

*raises hot milk* Cheers:)

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If those concerned with Steiner Waldorf education read nothing else, they should read Peter Staudenmaier’s article “Anthroposophy and Ecofascism”.
It is a compelling account of Anthroposophy’s history; essential reading, too important to ignore.

In Sweden, Anthroposophical Society has its center in Järna and Ytterjärna south of Södertälje not far from Stockholm.
Actually my girlfriend has been there. She doesnt remember much from the visit but one thing.
That mind and body are linked to each other.
I dont think you have to be a doctor to figure that out.

Sten Arne
Please dont be so elaborate.
Too much to read in this forum as it is.

Rudolf Steiner did make a large number of “discriminatory” quotations, but more importantly, he based a whole philosophy on a racist idea, i.e. that the human races are “evolving” through the different races, thus founding a whole philosophy on racist beliefs. He believed that humans evolve through “reincarnation”, starting at the bottom, (ie being black) and then reincarnating until they are “white”.

There’s strong evidence that Steiner schools promote ideas about reincarnation in their schools.

Some posts ago, you said he didn't consider 'white' people as Ãœbermensch, strange...

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If those concerned with Steiner Waldorf education read nothing else, they should read Peter Staudenmaier’s article “Anthroposophy and Ecofascism”.
It is a compelling account of Anthroposophy’s history; essential reading, too important to ignore.

In Sweden, Anthroposophical Society has its center in Järna and Ytterjärna south of Södertälje not far from Stockholm.
Actually my girlfriend has been there. She doesnt remember much from the visit but one thing.
That mind and body are linked to each other.
I dont think you have to be a doctor to figure that out.

Sten Arne
Please dont be so elaborate.
Too much to read in this forum as it is.

Heh, I can take a pause. There's enough racist material from Steiner to last me a lifetime. Steiner was a really really bad man.

I'll be back as Arnold said. :-)

Me too

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So can you provide me proof, that he actually said 'white' people are the Ãœbermensch?

The “race” which Steiner described in positive terms was – not surprisingly – the white one. When listing the different “races”, he described how they were inflicted by “hardening” of different organs. The list ended with those people who “did not become hardened at all”. They were found in “those areas that comprise of today’s Europe and Asia.” 18

18.Welt, Erde und Mensch, p. 6:17

Elsewhere, he stated that “the most mature characteristica are found in the European area. It is simply (a natural) law.” 19

19.Die Mission einzelner Volksseelen, p. 4:9.

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Really, why are you arguing here. He was a White German male living in the later 19th, early 20th century. Good luck finding one that WASNT racist during that period.

The problem isnt that Steiner was a racist back then because really his racism isn't particularly different than what his contemporary fellow European white males thought about race. The real problem is when such ridiculous ideas and philosophies are still taught at his schools TODAY. Thats the really upsetting issue here, nothing else.

Really, why are you arguing here. He was a White German male living in the later 19th, early 20th century. Good luck finding one that WASNT racist during that period.

The problem isnt that Steiner was a racist back then because really his racism isn't particularly different than what his contemporary fellow European white males thought about race. The real problem is when such ridiculous ideas and philosophies are still taught at his schools TODAY. Thats the really upsetting issue here, nothing else.

Well said.