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Message 1564602 - Posted: 29 Aug 2014, 19:58:07 UTC - in response to Message 1564594.  

Rudolf Steiner:

“But the people that didn’t develop their id, that was too exposed to the influence of the sun, they were like plants: They produced far too much carbon under their skin – and became black. That is why the negroes are black.”

From: Rudolf Steiner, Geisteswissenschaftliche Menschenkunde, 1908–1909, s. 5:9.



With these words he referred to the sun and its UV rays, tanning our skin. What's racist about that? The longer one is exposed to the sun, the more tanned you become. Negroes tend to live in sunny countries.
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Message 1564605 - Posted: 29 Aug 2014, 19:58:37 UTC - in response to Message 1564597.  

Rudolf Steiner:

“It isn’t because of the whims of the Europeans that the Indian population has died out, but because of the Indian population had to acquire those forces that led it to die out.”

From: 16.Die Mission einzelner Volksseelen, s. 4:9

Think Cortez, a European had a lot more to do with that than any other force.
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Message 1564606 - Posted: 29 Aug 2014, 19:59:44 UTC - in response to Message 1564604.  
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While Steiner ascribed an abnormously weak Ego to the Africans, the Indians had the opposite problem. This was also the cause of their skin color (or rather the skin color Steiner thought they had):

Steiner in his wisdom sayeth:

“And they developed this Ego so strongly that it has gone into their skin color: They became copper-red. They have developed into decadence.”

From: 17.Geisteswissenschaftliche Menschenkunde, p. 5:14. See even p. 5:9.

I go copper-red with too much sun & I'm no Indian, but decadent? Possibly :-)
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Message 1564608 - Posted: 29 Aug 2014, 20:00:54 UTC

Are You Racist for hating Racists?

Yep.

So ALL Are Racist.

Makes Racism Moot.

Yep.

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Message 1564611 - Posted: 29 Aug 2014, 20:03:49 UTC - in response to Message 1564607.  

Rudolf Steiner:

“But the people that didn’t develop their id, that was too exposed to the influence of the sun, they were like plants: They produced far too much carbon under their skin – and became black. That is why the negroes are black.”

From: Rudolf Steiner, Geisteswissenschaftliche Menschenkunde, 1908–1909, s. 5:9.



With these words he referred to the sun and its UV rays, tanning our skin. What's racist about that? The longer one is exposed to the sun, the more tanned you become. Negroes tend to live in sunny countries.


Ridicolous reply. He wrote: "they were like plants: They produced far too much carbon under their skin – and became black"

They were like plants? Produced far too much carbon? Skin doesn't become black from carbon. Geeze...


Couldn't the man play with words and be inventive with them then? You don't have to take everything so literally, sjeesj for that matter...
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Message 1564616 - Posted: 29 Aug 2014, 20:05:29 UTC - in response to Message 1564609.  

When non-European peoples proved to be successful, Steiner explained this by claiming that they had learned from Europeans:


“It is often claimed that the Japanese are going through an important development based on their character – this is an illusion. There is no development made from their own abilities. The reason they were victorious in the latest war was that they used warships and cannons invented by the European peoples, thereby using a foreign culture. It is no development if a people has taken what another people’s characteristics has produced – it has to develop based on its own nature. That is what counts!”

From: 20.Welt, Erde und Mensch, p. 10:13–14.

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Message 1564617 - Posted: 29 Aug 2014, 20:06:04 UTC - in response to Message 1564609.  

When non-European peoples proved to be successful, Steiner explained this by claiming that they had learned from Europeans:


“It is often claimed that the Japanese are going through an important development based on their character – this is an illusion. There is no development made from their own abilities. The reason they were victorious in the latest war was that they used warships and cannons invented by the European peoples, thereby using a foreign culture. It is no development if a people has taken what another people’s characteristics has produced – it has to develop based on its own nature. That is what counts!”

From: 20.Welt, Erde und Mensch, p. 10:13–14.


I really can't see any racism here, maybe a slight discord towards the Japanese...
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Message 1564619 - Posted: 29 Aug 2014, 20:07:21 UTC - in response to Message 1564613.  

According to Steiner’s teachings on soul travel, the same soul could assume different “races” in different lives. What race it would be depended on how you behaved in the previous life.


“A soul can be incarnated in any race, but if this soul doesn’t become evil, it doesn’t need to be reincarnated in a descending race, it will reincarnate later in a ascending race.”

From: 21.Vor dem Tore der Theosophie, p. 42.

So he didn't believe in the one race - The human race" then?
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Message 1564620 - Posted: 29 Aug 2014, 20:07:34 UTC - in response to Message 1564613.  
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According to Steiner’s teachings on soul travel, the same soul could assume different “races” in different lives. What race it would be depended on how you behaved in the previous life.


“A soul can be incarnated in any race, but if this soul doesn’t become evil, it doesn’t need to be reincarnated in a descending race, it will reincarnate later in a ascending race.”

From: 21.Vor dem Tore der Theosophie, p. 42.


Couldn't it be he gave a totally different meaning to the word 'race' than you assume?
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Message 1564622 - Posted: 29 Aug 2014, 20:09:18 UTC - in response to Message 1564621.  
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Steiner didn’t hesitate when it comes to judging separate Asian peoples. The huns were described as “the last remnants of old Atlantic peoples. They are deeply decadent, which shows in their decaying astral- and ether-bodies.”

Rudolf Steiner, Die Theosophie des Rosenkreuzers, 1907, p. 37.



Read that book, loved it. was a Rosicrucian myself (AMORC) for three years.
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Message 1564624 - Posted: 29 Aug 2014, 20:09:55 UTC - in response to Message 1564621.  

Steiner didn’t hesitate when it comes to judging separate Asian peoples. The huns were described as “the last remnants of old Atlantic peoples. They are deeply decadent, which shows in their decaying astral- and ether-bodies.”

Rudolf Steiner, Die Theosophie des Rosenkreuzers, 1907, p. 37.

Hmm, didn't good old "Tommy Atkins" call Germans "The Huns"?
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Message 1564628 - Posted: 29 Aug 2014, 20:12:40 UTC - in response to Message 1564625.  

Furthermore Steiner says, that there were “such people, that are degenerated because the nervous system hardened at a much too early stage and didn’t stay soft long enough – the last remnants of those are the Malayan race.”

Welt, Erde und Mensch, p. 6:16.



Maybe they were, he sure knew a lot!
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Message 1564629 - Posted: 29 Aug 2014, 20:13:45 UTC
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So can you provide me proof, that he actually said 'white' people are the Ãœbermensch?
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Message 1564630 - Posted: 29 Aug 2014, 20:15:01 UTC - in response to Message 1564625.  

Furthermore Steiner says, that there were “such people, that are degenerated because the nervous system hardened at a much too early stage and didn’t stay soft long enough – the last remnants of those are the Malayan race.”

Welt, Erde und Mensch, p. 6:16.

Do you mean "Mayans" or "Malaysians?
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Message 1564632 - Posted: 29 Aug 2014, 20:16:37 UTC - in response to Message 1564631.  

The group of people that Steiner found least appealing was the native American Indians. Even though these had a certain age in human life, Steiner considered their case to be connected with “the forces that have a lot to do with human extinction.” 14

He described the Indians as “a degenerated human race”, 15 which was the reason why they had succumbed to such a degree.

14.Die Mission einzelner Volksseelen, p. 4:9.
15.Welt, Erde und Mensch, p. 6:16.

Nope, they died out due to drought.
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Message 1564633 - Posted: 29 Aug 2014, 20:17:06 UTC

When reading this I feel sick.
The affinities with Nazi discourse are unmistakable. Wolfgang Treher makes a convincing case that Steiner's racial theories, especially the repeated scheme of a small minority evolving further while a large mass declines, bear striking similarities even in detail to Hitler's own theories. He concludes: "Concentration camps, slave labor and the murder of Jews constitute a praxis whose key is perhaps to be found in the 'theories' of Rudolf Steiner."[
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Message 1564634 - Posted: 29 Aug 2014, 20:17:17 UTC - in response to Message 1564631.  

The group of people that Steiner found least appealing was the native American Indians. Even though these had a certain age in human life, Steiner considered their case to be connected with “the forces that have a lot to do with human extinction.” 14

He described the Indians as “a degenerated human race”, 15 which was the reason why they had succumbed to such a degree.

14.Die Mission einzelner Volksseelen, p. 4:9.
15.Welt, Erde und Mensch, p. 6:16.



Can you provide me with a link? I want to read his words, not yours, np if it's in German.
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Message 1564636 - Posted: 29 Aug 2014, 20:18:43 UTC - in response to Message 1564633.  

When reading this I feel sick.
The affinities with Nazi discourse are unmistakable. Wolfgang Treher makes a convincing case that Steiner's racial theories, especially the repeated scheme of a small minority evolving further while a large mass declines, bear striking similarities even in detail to Hitler's own theories. He concludes: "Concentration camps, slave labor and the murder of Jews constitute a praxis whose key is perhaps to be found in the 'theories' of Rudolf Steiner."[

It does look that way doesn't it. However, that does not take anything away from his other works, at least from what I've read so far.
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Message 1564637 - Posted: 29 Aug 2014, 20:19:33 UTC - in response to Message 1564633.  

When reading this I feel sick.
The affinities with Nazi discourse are unmistakable. Wolfgang Treher makes a convincing case that Steiner's racial theories, especially the repeated scheme of a small minority evolving further while a large mass declines, bear striking similarities even in detail to Hitler's own theories. He concludes: "Concentration camps, slave labor and the murder of Jews constitute a praxis whose key is perhaps to be found in the 'theories' of Rudolf Steiner."[



Perhaps to be found in the theories of Steiners writings... All words of critics and their interpretation of Steiners words.
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Message 1564638 - Posted: 29 Aug 2014, 20:20:15 UTC - in response to Message 1564635.  

So can you provide me proof, that he actually said 'white' people are the Ãœbermensch?


The “race” which Steiner described in positive terms was – not surprisingly – the white one. When listing the different “races”, he described how they were inflicted by “hardening” of different organs. The list ended with those people who “did not become hardened at all”. They were found in “those areas that comprise of today’s Europe and Asia.” 18

18.Welt, Erde und Mensch, p. 6:17

Elsewhere, he stated that “the most mature characteristica are found in the European area. It is simply (a natural) law.” 19

19.Die Mission einzelner Volksseelen, p. 4:9.

A natural law which went on to devastate Europe. How nice of him.
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