FYI I am not a racist and yes, I didn't bother to read your links. Have a nice weekend yourself.

That makes no sense. You're not racist but have a racist as your hero? In what respect have you put him on such a pedestal?

His books made such a lot of sense to me, and helped me through so much. This is the first I hear of Steiner, being a racist! I will look into it for sure...

Makes me wonder now how come I never read one of his books on this subject... *scratches head*

This is my favorite book of him, read it about 4 times...

http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA106/English/AP1971/EgyMyt_index.html

From Wikipedia:

Steiner's work includes both universalist, humanist elements and historically influenced racial assumptions

We all know what assumptions mean over here, don't we?

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Thanks for that. It's been something I have been interested in for decades.

BTW, I was not being confrontational, I really could not see the sense. However, I do understand how some things can help an individual in ways that others cannot see.

Thanks for that. It's been something I have been interested in for decades.

BTW, I was not being confrontational, I really could not see the sense. However, I do understand how some things can help an individual in ways that others cannot see.

:) I'm just wondering what Sten-Arne is trying to reach with this thread.

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I read Steiner many years ago & instantly thought "pure racism" & stopped reading. The link you provided is very interesting & as I've just finished the first lecture, will continue on to the rest.

It does provide a thought though...how can an individual produce interesting lectures like that, only to produce something else that can be clearly seen as racist?

I read Steiner many years ago & instantly thought "pure racism" & stopped reading. The link you provided is very interesting & as I've just finished the first lecture, will continue on to the rest.

It does provide a thought though...how can an individual produce interesting lectures like that, only to produce something else that can be clearly seen as racist?

What did you read then? I'd really want to take a look at it.

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I really doubt the objectiveness of the links in the OP. Skepticreports and Waldorfcritics? Says enough for me...

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It was an English translation of one of his works in German. I can't recall which one as it really was a long time ago, but the link Stern gave reminded me of it.

Most of it was about the different races & the superiority of the "White Race" (well, that's how I viewed it at the time).

Reading the lectures that you linked to, cannot understand how one could teach subjects that go from racist thoughts to one of spiritual science.

I really doubt the objectiveness of the links in the OP. Skepticreports and Waldorfcritics? Says enough for me...

Sigh, don't go all Scientology and L Ron Hubbard on me will you. I've been fighting the Scientology cult for decades, and I know all the excuses there is to put in doubt the truthfulness of criticism against cultic mindsets.

Why not go all way out, and ask me what crimes I have committed against humanity, and if I have stopped beating my wife? :-)

Don't tempt me;) I'm just thinking, a smart man like Steiner has a lot of critics, that's very normal. I will look into that so called racism of him but for now he will remain my hero on my profile:)

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Don't tempt me;) I'm just thinking, a smart man like Steiner has a lot of critics, that's very normal. I will look into that so called racism of him but for now he will remain my hero on my profile:)

We all choose strange bedfellows :-)

I really doubt the objectiveness of the links in the OP. Skepticreports and Waldorfcritics? Says enough for me...

Sigh, don't go all Scientology and L Ron Hubbard on me will you. I've been fighting the Scientology cult for decades, and I know all the excuses there is to put in doubt the truthfulness of criticism against cultic mindsets.

Why not go all way out, and ask me what crimes I have committed against humanity, and if I have stopped beating my wife? :-)

Don't tempt me;) I'm just thinking, a smart man like Steiner has a lot of critics, that's very normal. I will look into that so called racism of him but for now he will remain my hero on my profile:)

Well Julie, it's your life, and nobody except you can live it. In my opinion you've been misled though, but it is you and only you who will have to take responsibility for your life.

In the future when and if you realize the con game nature of Steiners ideas, don't say that you weren't informed though.

Like I said a few posts ago, Steiners books have helped me through a rough period and I never doubted his ideas (so far). It's your opinion against mine but I guess that's called politics, right? ;)

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Again from Wikipedia:

Steiner occasionally characterized specific races, nations, and ethnicities in ways that have been termed racist by critics

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It does provide a thought though...how can an individual produce interesting lectures like that, only to produce something else that can be clearly seen as racist?

Look at who invented the transistor ... even got a Nobel prize ...

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I really doubt the objectiveness of the links in the OP. Skepticreports and Waldorfcritics? Says enough for me...

Sigh, don't go all Scientology and L Ron Hubbard on me will you. I've been fighting the Scientology cult for decades, and I know all the excuses there is to put in doubt the truthfulness of criticism against cultic mindsets.

Why not go all way out, and ask me what crimes I have committed against humanity, and if I have stopped beating my wife? :-)

Don't tempt me;) I'm just thinking, a smart man like Steiner has a lot of critics, that's very normal. I will look into that so called racism of him but for now he will remain my hero on my profile:)

Well Julie, it's your life, and nobody except you can live it. In my opinion you've been misled though, but it is you and only you who will have to take responsibility for your life.

In the future when and if you realize the con game nature of Steiners ideas, don't say that you weren't informed though.

Like I said a few posts ago, Steiners books have helped me through a rough period and I never doubted his ideas (so far). It's your opinion against mine but I guess that's called politics, right? ;)

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Steiner occasionally characterized specific races, nations, and ethnicities in ways that have been termed racist by critics

Well Julie, come on. Racism is racism and there is no specific racism only to critics. Now you're grabbing at straws :-) Your defence of Steiners open racism begins to get ridicolous. "termed rasist by critics" Geeze, it's racist for every thinking person.

Get over your pride, and admit that Steiner uttered racistic words, and be done with it.

Correction, it's racist for YOU, Sten-Arne, you're the critic here.

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To be fair here, myself as well as many other students found it racist.

Why did we see it that way? Easy, growing up in the 50's & 60's in the UK, Blacks & Irish were unwelcome, so seeing the races divided as Steiner stated with the "Superior White Race" as nothing but racist & also elitist.

To be fair here, myself as well as many other students found it racist.

Why did we see it that way? Easy, growing up in the 50's & 60's in the UK, Blacks & Irish were unwelcome, so seeing the races divided as Steiner stated with the "Superior White Race" as nothing but racist & also elitist.

It's all a matter of perception and interpreting words, you're right Sirius.

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I really doubt the objectiveness of the links in the OP. Skepticreports and Waldorfcritics? Says enough for me...

Sigh, don't go all Scientology and L Ron Hubbard on me will you. I've been fighting the Scientology cult for decades, and I know all the excuses there is to put in doubt the truthfulness of criticism against cultic mindsets.

L Ron Hubbard, Blavatsky, Crowley, and Steiner, were all a bunch of racists, cult leaders, and really really bad people in my book. They took advantage of weak people who needed something out of this world to believe in.

Why not go all way out, and ask me what crimes I have committed against humanity, and if I have stopped beating my wife? :-)

"Scientology, how about that? You hold on to the tin cans and then this guy asks you a bunch of questions, and if you pay enough money you get to join the master race. How's that for a religion?"
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Maybe, but I'm still finding your link interesting. Now on lecture 3.

Sidenote:

I hope I'm not becoming a Steiner admirer :-)

I really doubt the objectiveness of the links in the OP. Skepticreports and Waldorfcritics? Says enough for me...

Sigh, don't go all Scientology and L Ron Hubbard on me will you. I've been fighting the Scientology cult for decades, and I know all the excuses there is to put in doubt the truthfulness of criticism against cultic mindsets.

Why not go all way out, and ask me what crimes I have committed against humanity, and if I have stopped beating my wife? :-)

Don't tempt me;) I'm just thinking, a smart man like Steiner has a lot of critics, that's very normal. I will look into that so called racism of him but for now he will remain my hero on my profile:)

Well Julie, it's your life, and nobody except you can live it. In my opinion you've been misled though, but it is you and only you who will have to take responsibility for your life.

In the future when and if you realize the con game nature of Steiners ideas, don't say that you weren't informed though.

Like I said a few posts ago, Steiners books have helped me through a rough period and I never doubted his ideas (so far). It's your opinion against mine but I guess that's called politics, right? ;)

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Again from Wikipedia:

Steiner occasionally characterized specific races, nations, and ethnicities in ways that have been termed racist by critics

Well Julie, come on. Racism is racism and there is no specific racism only to critics. Now you're grabbing at straws :-) Your defence of Steiners open racism begins to get ridicolous. "termed rasist by critics" Geeze, it's racist for every thinking person.

Get over your pride, and admit that Steiner uttered racistic words, and be done with it.

Correction, it's racist for YOU, Sten-Arne, you're the critic here.

I beg your pardon? Is Steiners racism only racistic to me? You have a cultic mindset and that's very clear. Steiners views of the black man, and his views of other races are only racism to me?

I'll stop this debate now, because you're behaving ridicolous, as everyone here can see. I feel no need to debate someone so utterly stuck in a cultic mindset, but I will revive this thread from time to time, so it doesn't drop out of view. Feel free to continue your defence of the undefendable, it only makes this thread better.

Have a nice weekend.

Only people who are outsmarted start insulting Sten-Arne:)

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Maybe, but I'm still finding your link interesting. Now on lecture 3.

Sidenote:

I hope I'm not becoming a Steiner admirer :-)

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Only people who are outsmarted start insulting Sten-Arne:)

OK, you asked for it. I will start now posting item by item of Steiners racism in this thread. Hope you will enjoy it.

This will keep the thread running for months I guess.

I'm waiting, and waiting to reply:)

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Rudolf Steiner:

“Look at these colours, from the Negro to the Yellow population found in Asia. From those you have bodies which are once again containers of the most different souls, starting with the totally passive negro-soul, completely devoted to the surroundings, the outer physis, to the passive soul’s second level in the different parts of Asia.”

From: 10.Geisteswissenschaftliche Menschenkunde, s. 5:10–11.

Passive soul? Easily thrown aside once one listens to R&B, Jazz & Soul music. Passive souls cannot produce such music!