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Message 1564510 - Posted: 29 Aug 2014, 18:14:58 UTC - in response to Message 1564445.  
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To ALL those, especially Western European Poster's, starting with Crimea 1, who said Putin wouldn't do this, or wouldn't do that:
Please enter The Real World. Not The World You Wish.
This goes to all the other situations around The World.

4 months ago I didnt thought Putin would do this.
Warning signals yes but acting like this no.
Most Western politicians where certain that this could not happen.
Still there are some who are only 'concerned'.
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Message 1564517 - Posted: 29 Aug 2014, 18:23:51 UTC - in response to Message 1564508.  
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http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article19448612.ab
In Swedish of course.

In English:)
Sweden raises the military preparness because of the situation in Ukraine.
JAS 39 Gripen fighter jets have been moved to Gotland (a Baltic island) and the intelligence reinforced according to military.
http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=sv&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aftonbladet.se%2Fnyheter%2Farticle19448612.ab
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Message 1564530 - Posted: 29 Aug 2014, 18:35:22 UTC

http://www.redeye.se/aktieguiden/nyheter/saab-regeringen-ger-klartecken-till-60-jas-gripen-svt

Decision made today.

And short in English.

Sweden has ordered 60(70) more JAS 39(E) GRIPEN today.
And reason is that the future wasn't as safe as we thought it would be.

That is an increase of Swedish JETS by 100%

Anyone want to buy some??(This last line was a joke).
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Message 1564547 - Posted: 29 Aug 2014, 19:08:03 UTC - in response to Message 1564530.  
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http://www.redeye.se/aktieguiden/nyheter/saab-regeringen-ger-klartecken-till-60-jas-gripen-svt
Decision made today.
And short in English.
Sweden has ordered 60(70) more JAS 39(E) GRIPEN today.
And reason is that the future wasn't as safe as we thought it would be.
That is an increase of Swedish JETS by 100%
Anyone want to buy some??(This last line was a joke).

Pricetag: USD 40 to 60 million.
How much costs Rafale or Eurofighter Typhoon?
Or F22 Raptor?
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Message 1564572 - Posted: 29 Aug 2014, 19:29:10 UTC

Russians start asking: are we at war?

One mother, Olga Pochtoyeva, says when she approached officials with photos on the social media site Vkontakte that appeared to show her son had been taken prisoner in Ukraine, her claims were dismissed as “provocations.”

“We showed them [these pictures] and they didn’t believe it,” she says. “It’s Photoshop, they told us. I’m sorry, I’d never mistake my son’s eyebrows for Photoshop.”

The paratroopers, who have been paraded in front of cameras by Ukrainian authorities at least three times, are only the most public face of Russian military involvement.
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Message 1564573 - Posted: 29 Aug 2014, 19:29:34 UTC - in response to Message 1564547.  

http://www.redeye.se/aktieguiden/nyheter/saab-regeringen-ger-klartecken-till-60-jas-gripen-svt
Decision made today.
And short in English.
Sweden has ordered 60(70) more JAS 39(E) GRIPEN today.
And reason is that the future wasn't as safe as we thought it would be.
That is an increase of Swedish JETS by 100%
Anyone want to buy some??(This last line was a joke).

Pricetag: USD 40 to 60 million.
How much costs Rafale or Eurofighter Typhoon?
Or F22 Raptor?


JAS 39(E) GRIPEN USD 60 million
F22 Raptor USD 340 million.
Eurofighter Typhoon Euro 90 million

Janneseti:
It is a price competetive aircraft.
Including price per flighthour.
But now we can't sell em, we might need em ourselves.
Foreign orders have to be delayed for some time....
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Message 1564601 - Posted: 29 Aug 2014, 19:57:36 UTC - in response to Message 1564572.  
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Russians start asking: are we at war?
One mother, Olga Pochtoyeva, says when she approached officials with photos on the social media site Vkontakte that appeared to show her son had been taken prisoner in Ukraine, her claims were dismissed as “provocations.”
“We showed them [these pictures] and they didn’t believe it,” she says. “It’s Photoshop, they told us. I’m sorry, I’d never mistake my son’s eyebrows for Photoshop.”
The paratroopers, who have been paraded in front of cameras by Ukrainian authorities at least three times, are only the most public face of Russian military involvement.

Olgas claim is a criminal act today thanks to Putin.

I have seen many examples of this.
Young boys who are taught that Ukraine is killing their own peoples.
They are not like thugs and killers from Chechnya used to war.
Many are very dissapointed when they are in Ukrainia and doing this meaningless war.
Hopefully this is something that will end the war soon.
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Message 1564776 - Posted: 29 Aug 2014, 23:14:25 UTC
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Retweeted by Carl Bildt
Radosław Sikorski @sikorskiradek · 11 hours ago

@carlbildt If it looks like a war, sounds like a war and kills like a war, it is a war.

Radosław Sikorski has been Minister of Foreign Affairs in Donald Tusk's cabinet since 2007 in Poland
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Message 1564795 - Posted: 30 Aug 2014, 1:25:08 UTC

Poland Next?
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/747329
Polish authorities’ refusal to permit the jet to enter Polish airspace on a return flight from Slovakia will not be left unreciprocated by Moscow, the Russian Foreign Ministry said.

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Message 1564897 - Posted: 30 Aug 2014, 10:16:38 UTC
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Quotes from the Russian President’s speech at the Seliger youth forum.

'Crimea recognition will be long and tedious'

“Do you remember the joke: ‘Whatever Russians make, they always end up with a Kalashnikov?’ I get an impression that whatever Americans touch they always end up with Libya or Iraq,”

“Sad as it might seem, this reminds me of the events of World War II, when the German Nazi troops surrounded our cities, like Leningrad, and directly shelled those cities and their residents,”

“And the part of the country that disagreed with that is being suppressed with the use of jets, artillery, multiple launch systems and tanks. If these are today’s European values – I’m gravely disappointed.”

“Our partners – whatever condition their countries are in and whatever foreign policy concept they adhere to – should understand that it’s better not to mess with us. Thank God, I believe it doesn’t occur to anyone to unleash a large-scale conflict with Russia.”

“We didn’t not annex Crimea, we didn’t take it away. We gave people an opportunity to have their say and make a decision, which we took with respect. We protected them, I believe.”

“We had to protect our compatriots, who live in Crimea. When we look at events in Donbass, Lugansk, Odessa, it becomes clear to us what would have happened to Crimea if we had not taken measures to provide free expression of will to people.”

“Russia is far from getting involved any large-scale conflicts. We don’t want that and we are not going to do it. And, naturally, we should always be ready to repel any aggression against Russia,”

'Russia to beef up nuclear deterrence potential'

'Russia will seek acceptable compromises on Arctic'

http://rt.com/news/183760-putin-quotes-seliger-forum/
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Message 1564903 - Posted: 30 Aug 2014, 10:35:23 UTC
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Sweden raises military alert level due to Ukraine crisis
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/29/us-ukraine-crisis-sweden-idUSKBN0GT27520140829

War in Europe is not a hysterical idea
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/anne-applebaum-war-in-europe-is-not-a-hysterical-idea/2014/08/29/815f29d4-2f93-11e4-bb9b-997ae96fad33_story.html?hpid=z2

Carl Bildt @carlbildt · 2 hours ago
Very little doubt now that Russia will use also its regular armed forces to try to carve out a Novorossyia semi-state from Ukraine.

Carl Bildt @carlbildt · 38 minutes ago
PM Reinfeldt will have a bilateral meeting with Ukraine President Poroshenko in Brussels later today. Express Sweden’s support to Ukraine.
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Message 1564904 - Posted: 30 Aug 2014, 10:36:46 UTC - in response to Message 1564795.  
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Poland Next?
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/747329
Polish authorities’ refusal to permit the jet to enter Polish airspace on a return flight from Slovakia will not be left unreciprocated by Moscow, the Russian Foreign Ministry said.

As reported in our government, also established a ban on a flight of this aircraft in Ukrainian airspace... Why did he has to fly here? This Tu-134 - a military plane and belongs to the Armed Forces of Russia!
In general, be careful... In russian diplomats in their pockets have hand grenades... Keep this in mind always! :)
https://translate.google.com.ua/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=uk&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdelo.ua%2Fworld%2Fv-ukraine-ischezli-dva-rossijskih-diplomata-245870%2F%3Fsupdated_new%3D1409392561&edit-text=&act=url
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Message 1564906 - Posted: 30 Aug 2014, 10:56:52 UTC - in response to Message 1564795.  

Poland Next?
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/747329
Polish authorities’ refusal to permit the jet to enter Polish airspace on a return flight from Slovakia will not be left unreciprocated by Moscow, the Russian Foreign Ministry said.

Russians dont care about rules and laws.

Russian diplomats are by far the best at illegally park their diplomatic cars in Sweden. Last year, noted diplomat cars belonging to Russia for 171 illegal parkings.

The jump down to China's huge - Chinese diplomats illegally parked 52 times. Large countries with quite a number of diplomatic vehicles as France, Germany, Italy and the UK illegally parked just once or twice, and of the neighboring Nordic countries, only Denmark, which accounted for some illegal parking
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Message 1564907 - Posted: 30 Aug 2014, 11:14:08 UTC - in response to Message 1564904.  
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Poland Next?
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/747329
Polish authorities’ refusal to permit the jet to enter Polish airspace on a return flight from Slovakia will not be left unreciprocated by Moscow, the Russian Foreign Ministry said.

As reported in our government, also established a ban on a flight of this aircraft in Ukrainian airspace... Why did he has to fly here? This Tu-134 - a military plane and belongs to the Armed Forces of Russia!
In general, be careful... In russian diplomats in their pockets have hand grenades... Keep this in mind always! :)
https://translate.google.com.ua/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=uk&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdelo.ua%2Fworld%2Fv-ukraine-ischezli-dva-rossijskih-diplomata-245870%2F%3Fsupdated_new%3D1409392561&edit-text=&act=url

Whatever Russians make, they always end up with a Kalashnikov.

The Russian Embassy in Kiev officially announced the disappearance of the third secretary of the embassy attache Andrei Golovanov and Mikhail Shorin on the territory of Ukraine.
Russians dont know how to read a map:)
Maybe they are lost somewhere in Belarus.

A Ukrainian transport aircraft with seven people on board has crashed in southern Algeria.
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Message 1564912 - Posted: 30 Aug 2014, 11:54:20 UTC
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Todays editorial in Dagens Nyheter www.dn.se
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Anyone who appreciates deceit, cynicism, manipulation and lies can certainly feel some admiration for Russian President Vladimir Putin. He takes all the time its hybrid war, a mix of the KGB's old spy tricks and traditional military methods, to new heights. The "green men" who pipped the Crimean Peninsula in March was followed by a 'secret' invasion of eastern Ukraine.

I like the depiction of Putin as a rat.
He used to 'play' with them when he was Young in St Petersburg.
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Message 1564981 - Posted: 30 Aug 2014, 15:52:19 UTC

It feels like a true power challenge ahead.
I wonder why Putin doesn't return Crimea?
He could easily have made a deal with Ukraine to keep the Naval Base and it's Russian population and peace would have been kept.

Ask me and I think he made a mistake.

I also have difficulties in seeing a conflict that spreads across Europe without US and NATO getting 200% involved.

I also wonder how long this game of tick tack toe will continue before it is changed into "a nice game of chess".

Where is Dr: Falken?
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Message 1564990 - Posted: 30 Aug 2014, 16:20:17 UTC - in response to Message 1564981.  
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It feels like a true power challenge ahead.
I wonder why Putin doesn't return Crimea?
He could easily have made a deal with Ukraine to keep the Naval Base and it's Russian population and peace would have been kept.

Putin return the Crimea? Will never happen. Maybe when Putin is dead.
Actually Russia paid Ukraina for the naval base to Russia by selling gas at a very low price.
Now the gas cost twice as much.
Russian population? They where Ukrainain Citizen who happens to speak Russian.
Maybe we should go to Finland and Ã…land and claim territorium because they are speaking Swedish.
And Gammelsvenskbyn in Ukraina not far from Crimea where they are speaking Swedish and still have contacts and traditions from Sweden.

Vi äro musikanter, allt i från Skaraborg.
Vi kan spela fio lio lio lej,
vi kan spela basfiol och flöjt.
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Message 1564992 - Posted: 30 Aug 2014, 16:21:30 UTC
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Process has started... :)
Kazakhstan may leave EEU if its interests are infringed: Nazarbayev said...
"Kazakhstan has a right to withdraw from the Eurasian Economic Union if its interests are infringed, President of Kazakhstan Nursultan Nazarbayev reminded in an interview to Khabar TV Channel.
"If the rules set forth in the agreement are not followed, Kazakhstan has a right to withdraw from the Eurasian Economic Union. I have said this before and I am saying this again. Kazakhstan will not be part of organizations that pose a threat to our independence. Our independence is our dearest treasure, which our grandfathers fought for. First of all, we will never surrender it to someone, and secondly, we will do our best to protect it," the President said."
See more at: http://en.tengrinews.kz/politics_sub/Kazakhstan-may-leave-EEU-if-its-interests-are-infringed-Nazarbayev-255722/

P.S. Get out from Ukraine and Crimea also, towheaded!
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