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Message 1562524 - Posted: 26 Aug 2014, 4:39:14 UTC - in response to Message 1562391.  

I wish us all strength and skill as we struggle with intolerance in ourselves and in our society. It has been my personal experience that this struggle is not something one "gets beyond". Personally, I am better at it than I used to be, but I am not "beyond" it. If I deemed myself to be "beyond" untrue, unjust, unfair and unkind beliefs, I think I would be at risk for not recognizing intolerance in myself.

So true.

So much of what is intolerance may flow from ignorance. An example. You see a group of teenagers walking down the street. If they are like you, you can pretty rapidly judge if they are a threat to you in some way. If they aren't like you, from a different culture, you have no reference to make the judgement, however as they aren't doing the things you expect, you place them in the possible threat category. If you then end up talking to them, if you have them in the threat category you will be more hostile to them than if you have them in the no threat category. You have just engaged in discrimination.

It is next to impossible to stop this, until you recognize it. Even then you won't be able to 100% suppress it. Until you learn that culture, so you can read it, there will always be a percent or so.
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Message 1562565 - Posted: 26 Aug 2014, 7:19:16 UTC - in response to Message 1562312.  

I am happy to see a frank discussion of race on the boards. As a citizen of the USA, I think most of my fellow citizens would agree that our country has come a long way in this area, but that we still have a very long way to go.

I do not think it is possible to discuss race until we all agree that we are, to some degree, all racists. We do not live in a race-free climate. It matters not what your skin color is - we have, each one of us, absorbed racism to some degree, whether we know it or not.

My father, good man though he was, certainly had his "Archie Bunker" moments. My mother, good woman though she is, does not have "Edith Bunker's" compelling kindness and gift of consistently being able to see things from another's vantage point. I grew up in a mostly white neighborhood full of families who tended to be comfortably resourced. The television shows I watched in the 60's and 70's were certainly not race-blind. We are all influenced by the environments of our formative years. I would be lying if I said that a racist thought never ever ever ever popped into my head. When such offensive thoughts occur, I try to recognize them as such. When I examine one of these thoughts I invariably discover the following:

1. The thought was untrue
2. The thought was unfair
3. The thought was a consequence of my living, for 51 years, in a society that is not yet free of racism
4. The thought must NOT be allowed to influence my behavior

And while we are on the subject, I will also admit that I did not grow up in a society free of class-ism, homophobia, sexism and a host of other nasty things. I genuinely believe that the first and most important step to eliminating unfairness in our society is to first recognize and examine unfairness in ourselves.

Angela, I graduated HS in 71 and we had one Afircan- Ameraican out of a total of 2000 students for the whole High school.
My first interactions with any other race was when I enlisted in the USAF in 1972. And you know what. I learned that regardless of skin color we all have a lot in common.
And I will admit my parents were less than stellar in being tolerant. But they did learn to be. They had no choice, As three of my Grandkids are bi-racial.
Yes Ameraica has a long way to go when it comes to ending Racism. But Im hoping my grandkids generation will get there.
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Message 1562723 - Posted: 26 Aug 2014, 22:34:32 UTC - in response to Message 1562615.  

I'll put only 1 that relates to this thread

To take citizenship away on a whim both the Lib here and in Canada aka tea party

Clyde !

Glenn...

What has that to do with the Tea Party?

Why did you introduce that term in this discussion?

Very silly, unimaginative, and hijack's this discussion. Please stop it.



Although to be fair, the political wing of Fox News aka The Tea Party are blatantly racist.
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Message 1562759 - Posted: 27 Aug 2014, 0:33:02 UTC

Just read an article on the BBC site that said that whites will be just under 50% of the high/grade school population in the US of A. Once the USA goes darker it will only be a matter of time before it gets dark in Canada to. The US won't have jobs for all the people so they will try Canada.
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Message 1562804 - Posted: 27 Aug 2014, 2:14:42 UTC - in response to Message 1562759.  

Just read an article on the BBC site that said that whites will be just under 50% of the high/grade school population in the US of A. Once the USA goes darker it will only be a matter of time before it gets dark in Canada to. The US won't have jobs for all the people so they will try Canada.

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Message 1562807 - Posted: 27 Aug 2014, 2:17:59 UTC - in response to Message 1562804.  

Just read an article on the BBC site that said that whites will be just under 50% of the high/grade school population in the US of A. Once the USA goes darker it will only be a matter of time before it gets dark in Canada to. The US won't have jobs for all the people so they will try Canada.


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Message 1562808 - Posted: 27 Aug 2014, 2:20:23 UTC - in response to Message 1562723.  
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Although to be fair, the political wing of Fox News aka The Tea Party are blatantly racist.


Thanks Es99 at least some get what i am on about there is hope yet for you all :)

EDIT Cylde some understand why i say the Tea party is Republican even if they are the ratbags of the Republican party run by Mr Rupert Murdoch the scumbag traitor , criminal
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Message 1562826 - Posted: 27 Aug 2014, 3:03:48 UTC - in response to Message 1562808.  

Although to be fair, the political wing of Fox News aka The Tea Party are blatantly racist.


Thanks Es99 at least some get what i am on about there is hope yet for you all :)

EDIT Cylde some understand why i say the Tea party is Republican even if they are the ratbags of the Republican party run by Mr Rupert Murdoch the scumbag traitor , criminal


Glenn, don't even get me started on scumbag* Murdoch.


*a favourite derogatory term I love that is non gender specific. Ratbag is good too.
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Message 1562832 - Posted: 27 Aug 2014, 3:14:00 UTC - in response to Message 1562826.  

Glenn, don't even get me started on scumbag* Murdoch.



hehehehehehe +1 mate pity it's pg13 or i can think of a few good 1's i would call him
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Message 1562916 - Posted: 27 Aug 2014, 6:12:25 UTC - in response to Message 1562897.  

Although to be fair, the political wing of Fox News aka The Tea Party are blatantly racist.


Thanks Es99 at least some get what i am on about there is hope yet for you all :)

EDIT Cylde some understand why i say the Tea party is Republican even if they are the ratbags of the Republican party run by Mr Rupert Murdoch the scumbag traitor , criminal

And Marxists, AKA Mass Murderers, may support the Democrats over Republicans. So?

Let's see. Fox aka Tea party blatantly racist. Murdoch "The S...B.. traitor, criminal".

Your hatred is very internal, and very irrational. Please don't involve us in your personal problems.

Note to other poster's: Please don't push the 'Red X'. on Glenn, and other's who agree. They must be allowed to expose the true reason for their vitriolic hatred of those who they disagree. It isn't political, nor a disagreement with someone's point of view.

They are using this forum to vent their own problems. Their, and other's idea's regarding the issue's of the day, must be understood in this context.

It isn't really political, nor ideological. It is something much deeper.

I think you over estimate the numbers rushing to push the red X Clyde. I do find it amusing that you make these speeches about how offensive you find some posts, yet are completely oblivious to how offensive your posts have been on many occasions. (this being one of them)

Luckily the more tolerant left wing posters such as myself don't need to be told not to go around red Xing posts we don't agree with, because left wing people believe in things like your right to express your opinion no matter how unpleasant it is.
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Message 1562925 - Posted: 27 Aug 2014, 6:29:26 UTC - in response to Message 1562916.  

I think you over estimate the numbers rushing to push the red X Clyde. I do find it amusing that you make these speeches about how offensive you find some posts, yet are completely oblivious to how offensive your posts have been on many occasions. (this being one of them)

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Luckily the more tolerant left wing posters such as myself don't need to be told not to go around red Xing posts we don't agree with, because left wing people believe in things like your right to express your opinion no matter how unpleasant it is.

Yes. But lets try and get back on the topic please.

If you want to scream about Rupert Murdoch's opinion a/k/a Faux, just use the create a thread button.
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Message 1563735 - Posted: 28 Aug 2014, 14:18:15 UTC - in response to Message 1562924.  

Off topic but Clyde what is wrong with scumbag it's not a swear word .

And i think it's bit childish to winge about that word . You sound a bit like my old man ."Glen don't use those type of words " , Dad " we live in Australia and it a colour full language get over your self , pommy "

The lesson don't tell ya kids not to swear they will only swear more
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Message 1563761 - Posted: 28 Aug 2014, 15:00:33 UTC - in response to Message 1563754.  

last post then back to the topic

I thought it was just a description of someone of low morals and bad character and why i choose it , fits him well i think
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Message 1589393 - Posted: 20 Oct 2014, 19:31:21 UTC
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People need to stop taking offence for the sake of being outraged FFS. You can't call a person this that or the other...GET A LIFE PEOPLE is my answer to all this racism nonsense.

All humans are racist to one degree or another, its a simple fact, get over it. Does this mean we should treat different groups differently, absolutely not, but lets just accept the inherent failings of man as a species and move on for christs sake.

As far as I am concerned we are all HUMAN and then your nationality should be strictly dictated by the your nation of birth (assuming your parents were in the country legally and not committing a crime).

Ban Religion, who needs an outdated iron age sky demon myth, and then the real escuses for war come to the for and are thus easier to deal with and perhaps prevent (highly unlikely)

I have seen real depravity in this world, I have seen things that I hope 10 generations never get to see, but as a realist I know these events will continue, and the reason is because people take offense at the slightest thing.

I have been the "victim" of racism and I am white, although as a 6ft 4" 256Ib ex Para it is few and far between and usually when I am here in England and not some third world crap hole where people usually have a better understanding of mutual respect. Do I take offence...no, because I understand that we are all racists and all humans, when looking to insult or belittle another will always use the grossest of insults...THE KEY IS TO NOT RESPOND

I was called a bastard only a few days ago by some donkey who can't drive..I pointed out that my parents were married when I was born..however i then confused the idiot by stating I was not aware of who they were married too at the time!! :)
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Message 1589452 - Posted: 20 Oct 2014, 21:50:20 UTC - in response to Message 1589393.  

I was called a bastard only a few days ago by some donkey who can't drive..I pointed out that my parents were married when I was born..however i then confused the idiot by stating I was not aware of who they were married too at the time!! :)

Whiteness? Racism? Personally, I think those of other races & colours should just stand back & watch the White Race destroy themselves.

I'll lay odds that all the White people on this project have personally witnessed either from a white individual or group, racism/hatred against their own. There are several other threads on-going where this can be clearly seen even though they are about specific topics.

The poster which I've quoted above mentioned journalists & Journalism in one of those threads. The Vitriol & hatred within that industry has not changed in over 40 years. When I left school until I reached 18, I worked for 2. The London Evening News especially with Lord Arran & his Wednesday column was hilarious as the vitriol against that man was plain to see in all departments - he was never sober enough to write that column. I followed that job by moving round the corner to the Bouverie Street HQ of The Sun(years before their move to Canary Wharf). Was I glad when I hit 18 & left losing half a weeks wages but I didn't care.

The quote above brought those memories back along with this which still makes me chuckle today:

For years one of my sisters called me that whenever we met at home. It always had me wondering as I have no knowledge as to why. It all came to an end at my fathers funeral 9 years ago. Entering my fathers house, in front of her 2 daughters, she said it again.

My response was to laugh, then stated the following:
"I find that strange coming from you as you dropped 2 before you married" After the service, her daughters asked me why doesn't their mother like me - I replied "give me a call when you find out" & told them both that she has to be 5 cans short of a 6 pack for holding a grudge for over 40 years.

No matter what race or colour one is, the dangers are not those from without but from within.

Nice world we live in, isn't it!
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Message 1589549 - Posted: 21 Oct 2014, 3:32:04 UTC - in response to Message 1589393.  

People need to stop taking offence for the sake of being outraged FFS. You can't call a person this that or the other...GET A LIFE PEOPLE is my answer to all this racism nonsense.

All humans are racist to one degree or another, its a simple fact, get over it. Does this mean we should treat different groups differently, absolutely not, but lets just accept the inherent failings of man as a species and move on for christs sake.

As far as I am concerned we are all HUMAN and then your nationality should be strictly dictated by the your nation of birth (assuming your parents were in the country legally and not committing a crime).

Ban Religion, who needs an outdated iron age sky demon myth, and then the real escuses for war come to the for and are thus easier to deal with and perhaps prevent (highly unlikely)

I have seen real depravity in this world, I have seen things that I hope 10 generations never get to see, but as a realist I know these events will continue, and the reason is because people take offense at the slightest thing.

I have been the "victim" of racism and I am white, although as a 6ft 4" 256Ib ex Para it is few and far between and usually when I am here in England and not some third world crap hole where people usually have a better understanding of mutual respect. Do I take offence...no, because I understand that we are all racists and all humans, when looking to insult or belittle another will always use the grossest of insults...THE KEY IS TO NOT RESPOND

I was called a bastard only a few days ago by some donkey who can't drive..I pointed out that my parents were married when I was born..however i then confused the idiot by stating I was not aware of who they were married too at the time!! :)

That's all well and good if racism is restricted to name calling.

However, the black people have a whole deck of cards stacked against them through racism. So there really isn't an equivalence when it comes to victims of racism who are black compared to those who are white.
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Message 1589597 - Posted: 21 Oct 2014, 6:27:48 UTC

http://www.cbc.ca/news/aboriginal/indian-status-why-lynn-gehl-s-court-challenge-matters-1.2806534
Lynn Gehl, a First Nations woman from Ontario, was in court today defending her right to belong to her family, her community and her Nation. Lynn is prevented from enjoying her Anishinaabe identity because her mother was unwed.

Imagine if Canadians had to worry about losing their Canadian citizenship or the right to live in their home province based on who they married or their gender.

For Lynn and other First Nations people like her, their identity is regulated by Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development Canada (AANDC) under the Indian registration system in the Indian Act.

Despite numerous amendments to the Indian Act since 1876, Indian registration (status) can be granted or lost at the sole discretion of the government registrar based on one's gender or marital status.

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Message 1590641 - Posted: 23 Oct 2014, 10:28:14 UTC - in response to Message 1590258.  

BBC News

I could've tried asking for a white taxi driver when i lived in Birmingham, but i'd end up waiting months for them to find one.
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Message 1590707 - Posted: 23 Oct 2014, 14:04:03 UTC - in response to Message 1590661.  

Whether or not the current UK legislation is what the general public actually want is quite another matter altogether. There are very powerful lobby groups out there. I make no further comment.

So the purpose of publicizing that link was?
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Message 1590857 - Posted: 23 Oct 2014, 18:00:49 UTC - in response to Message 1590707.  
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Whether or not the current UK legislation is what the general public actually want is quite another matter altogether. There are very powerful lobby groups out there. I make no further comment.

So the purpose of publicizing that link was?

Well as UK isn't Canada, the thread topic, all I can think of is to stir the pot or show how the colonies learned their lesson well from the mother country.
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