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Message 1561622 - Posted: 24 Aug 2014, 17:58:47 UTC - in response to Message 1561621.  

This is most amazing, because if I started a thread about the whiteness of men in the USA, it would be banned immediately.

Because I have been 'labeled' as racist for discussing things as I see them.

An example.

The sherriff is.....well, I can only say he's near.
Which obliviates the intended joke.
I happen to like Mel Brooks.
I like him a lot, because he says what a few cowardly souls cannot bring themselves to say.

The main point, kids, is when Mel makes a joke, he is not looking at Schindler's list. He survived that. As a Jew.
And can still make fun of his own pain.

Some of you should do likewise.
And redirect your angst from me to yourselves.

You would be starting a thread called that because you support the policy. However much me and Gary might disagree on many things, I don't think be believes that there should be a white America (or Canada for that matter).

I hope you understand the subtle nuance, Mark.
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Message 1561626 - Posted: 24 Aug 2014, 18:04:16 UTC - in response to Message 1561622.  

This is most amazing, because if I started a thread about the whiteness of men in the USA, it would be banned immediately.

Because I have been 'labeled' as racist for discussing things as I see them.

An example.

The sherriff is.....well, I can only say he's near.
Which obliviates the intended joke.
I happen to like Mel Brooks.
I like him a lot, because he says what a few cowardly souls cannot bring themselves to say.

The main point, kids, is when Mel makes a joke, he is not looking at Schindler's list. He survived that. As a Jew.
And can still make fun of his own pain.

Some of you should do likewise.
And redirect your angst from me to yourselves.

You would be starting a thread called that because you support the policy. However much me and Gary might disagree on many things, I don't think be believes that there should be a white America (or Canada for that matter).

I hope you understand the subtle nuance, Mark.


I do, ES.

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Message 1561648 - Posted: 24 Aug 2014, 18:54:48 UTC - in response to Message 1561622.  

However much me and Gary might disagree on many things, I don't think be believes that there should be a white America (or Canada for that matter).

Correct, and the title is from the opinion piece. The item is to point out that immigration policy being racist is not just limited to the USA nor are the fools who propose it just limited to the USA.
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Message 1561677 - Posted: 24 Aug 2014, 19:49:32 UTC

Is a Moran something like bugs bunny's reference to certain individuals as "what a maroon!"
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Message 1561685 - Posted: 24 Aug 2014, 19:59:17 UTC - in response to Message 1561621.  


Because I have been 'labeled' as racist for discussing things as I see them.


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Message 1561713 - Posted: 24 Aug 2014, 21:42:12 UTC

If you see things in a racist manner and say those things in a racist manner, then maybe you are a duck.


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Message 1561922 - Posted: 25 Aug 2014, 5:52:46 UTC

Oh, I thought you were avoiding using the accurate noun. Sort of like on the TV show Battlestar Galactica. You can't use a certain four letter word on TV but they got away with using a substitute word, frack this, frack that, you are a fracking idiot, and got it by the censors. Like, really, who didn't know what word they were replacing.
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Message 1561952 - Posted: 25 Aug 2014, 7:33:40 UTC - in response to Message 1561904.  
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Moran? I am not familiar with that word.

Sorry, Should have been moron. Should have reread before posting. Spelling was not my strong subject.

You still get the idea :)


:))) Now that was funny:)

On topic now: I really didn't know racism still had the upperhand over in Canada, shame:( You'd think people would have grown smarter by now... Especially a country like Canada, where people seem to be much more moderated in their actions than in the States.
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Message 1562151 - Posted: 25 Aug 2014, 15:54:51 UTC - in response to Message 1561952.  

Moran? I am not familiar with that word.

Sorry, Should have been moron. Should have reread before posting. Spelling was not my strong subject.

You still get the idea :)


:))) Now that was funny:)

On topic now: I really didn't know racism still had the upperhand over in Canada, shame:( You'd think people would have grown smarter by now... Especially a country like Canada, where people seem to be much more moderated in their actions than in the States.

Canada still has racism. They treat the Aboriginals really badly in particular. I was quite shocked that such a progressive country had treated people so badly.
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Message 1562152 - Posted: 25 Aug 2014, 15:56:37 UTC

Sadly, Es is correct. Sometimes it takes a newcomer to see what the rest of us just accept as "normal".

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Message 1562180 - Posted: 25 Aug 2014, 16:46:49 UTC - in response to Message 1561606.  

Whiteness???
OMFG...
And I get castigated at times for referring to little furry things as 'coons'.
WTF change of epochs did I miss??????



Some little furry things may well be known as raccoons. but you must also be aware that "coons" is also a derogative name for African-Americans. If you weren't aware of it before, I just pulled your coattail, here endith todays lesson.


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Message 1562185 - Posted: 25 Aug 2014, 16:50:37 UTC - in response to Message 1562151.  

Moran? I am not familiar with that word.

Sorry, Should have been moron. Should have reread before posting. Spelling was not my strong subject.

You still get the idea :)


:))) Now that was funny:)

On topic now: I really didn't know racism still had the upperhand over in Canada, shame:( You'd think people would have grown smarter by now... Especially a country like Canada, where people seem to be much more moderated in their actions than in the States.

Canada still has racism. They treat the Aboriginals really badly in particular. I was quite shocked that such a progressive country had treated people so badly.


"Aboriginals" - I take it that you mean the native North Americans, Indians, if so why didn't you just go ahead and say so.


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Message 1562198 - Posted: 25 Aug 2014, 17:02:00 UTC

Afro-American, Irish-American, London Irish. I cannot understand why those labels are continuing to be used.

Most of my siblings were born in London of Irish parents so they are labelled London-Irish, so all good & well.

However, their offspring were born in London, so they are Londoners born of Londoners of Irish parents. the same is said of all other labels, 3rd generation onwards are Londoners, Americans or Canadians!
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Message 1562230 - Posted: 25 Aug 2014, 17:34:00 UTC - in response to Message 1562180.  

Whiteness???
OMFG...
And I get castigated at times for referring to little furry things as 'coons'.
WTF change of epochs did I miss??????



Some little furry things may well be known as raccoons. but you must also be aware that "coons" is also a derogative name for African-Americans. If you weren't aware of it before, I just pulled your coattail, here endith todays lesson.

I am relatively well versed in most of the words of the king's english, and most of the meanings attached to them, including some of the unkind ones.
I also know that I can refer to coons or coonhounds without intentionally denigrating anybody of other heritage, unless THEY wish to draw that upon themselves.
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Message 1562238 - Posted: 25 Aug 2014, 17:43:23 UTC

Some little furry things may well be known as raccoons. but you must also be aware that "coons" is also a derogative name for African-Americans. If you weren't aware of it before, I just pulled your coattail, here endith todays lesson.

I have made this point to Mark several times in pm form, which may be why he feels persecuted regarding his use of this offensive term. Having just spent a week in northern Wisconsin, however, I can tell you that the term "coons" is used there, without racist overtones, to refer to raccoons. It is possible that Mark forgets from time to time that a word that is part of his regional dialect also has come to acquire offensive racial overtones. It is also possible that he remembers this, and every now and again decides to use the term anyway just to see if anyone is paying attention to him.
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Message 1562243 - Posted: 25 Aug 2014, 17:47:05 UTC - in response to Message 1562185.  

"Aboriginals" - I take it that you mean the native North Americans, Indians, if so why didn't you just go ahead and say so.

Aboriginal is a legitimate term for these people.

From the Oxford dictionary on line.
A person, animal, or plant that has been in a country or region from earliest times.

It origin is the Latin phrase "ab origine", meaning "From the beginning"

It is a British term, in use in former British colonies. That's why it sounds strange to American ears.

It is not a term of derision. In Australia, the original people have adopted the name because prior to colonisation they had no word to describe themselves as an entire race. They are proud to be "Aborigines" and take it as insulting if they are referred to in any of the more flowery modern terms.

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Message 1562257 - Posted: 25 Aug 2014, 18:02:15 UTC - in response to Message 1562185.  

Moran? I am not familiar with that word.

Sorry, Should have been moron. Should have reread before posting. Spelling was not my strong subject.

You still get the idea :)


:))) Now that was funny:)

On topic now: I really didn't know racism still had the upperhand over in Canada, shame:( You'd think people would have grown smarter by now... Especially a country like Canada, where people seem to be much more moderated in their actions than in the States.

Canada still has racism. They treat the Aboriginals really badly in particular. I was quite shocked that such a progressive country had treated people so badly.


"Aboriginals" - I take it that you mean the native North Americans, Indians, if so why didn't you just go ahead and say so.

Aboriginals is the standard accepted term here. Although in my experience people prefer to be called by their tribe or region. For example, my Aunt is Coast Salish, but I forget what particular tribe she is from. My husband is Metis and part Cherokee.
I think 'native' has negative undertones for people here. I am starting a course in Aboriginal studies next week and hope to learn more. I will let you know about what I learn if you like.
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Message 1562258 - Posted: 25 Aug 2014, 18:02:17 UTC - in response to Message 1562198.  

Afro-American, Irish-American, London Irish. I cannot understand why those labels are continuing to be used.

Most of my siblings were born in London of Irish parents so they are labelled London-Irish, so all good & well.

However, their offspring were born in London, so they are Londoners born of Londoners of Irish parents. the same is said of all other labels, 3rd generation onwards are Londoners, Americans or Canadians!

Because a lot of people, even though they may be 3rd generation citizens of a country are proud of their heritage. In Australia, it is not the "Anglos" that refer to Greek-Australians or Italian-Australians. It is the people themselves.

It's a way of saying, Yes, I'm British, Australian, American, etc. but my roots are "here".

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Message 1562265 - Posted: 25 Aug 2014, 18:20:29 UTC - in response to Message 1562238.  
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Some little furry things may well be known as raccoons. but you must also be aware that "coons" is also a derogative name for African-Americans. If you weren't aware of it before, I just pulled your coattail, here endith todays lesson.

I have made this point to Mark several times in pm form, which may be why he feels persecuted regarding his use of this offensive term. Having just spent a week in northern Wisconsin, however, I can tell you that the term "coons" is used there, without racist overtones, to refer to raccoons. It is possible that Mark forgets from time to time that a word that is part of his regional dialect also has come to acquire offensive racial overtones. It is also possible that he remembers this, and every now and again decides to use the term anyway just to see if anyone is paying attention to him.

Apart from some very obvious exceptions, in most cases it isn't the word that is offensive, it's the connotation. When the word "coon" is written by itself on a piece of paper it isn't offensive because the word has more than one meaning. In Australia we even have Coon as a brand of cheese.

If the word is directed at a certain person or group of people, yes, then it is offensive, but the offence should be taken at the usage, not the word itself.

It's like the word "bastard". There are bastard cut metal files and several other legitimate uses I can't remember at 4am that are quite acceptable. BUT, call someone a bastard and you could be in for a fight.

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Message 1562268 - Posted: 25 Aug 2014, 18:25:29 UTC - in response to Message 1562185.  

"Aboriginals" - I take it that you mean the native North Americans, Indians, if so why didn't you just go ahead and say so.


big no no here you can not call the Kori's "Aboriginals" they are either Kori or First peoples and Canada is not the only country that treated the First peoples badly we here did too .

And i'll say it till the cows come home

It's them Bloody Liberals that did it and are doing it again even down here

So Cliff it's first peoples not aborigianal or native north Americans

It's First Peoples
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