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Message 1666430 - Posted: 17 Apr 2015, 18:36:38 UTC - in response to Message 1666425.  

Maybe because of the number of persons claiming that same faith that use suicide vests?

What a delightfully racist thing to say. Sure, because there are a few terrorist who blow themselves up in the name of Islam, therefor the entire bloody government of a country will waste no second starting a nuclear attack. Because clearly you can't be a Muslim and not also have some irresistible urge to blow yourself up.

I can vouch for this, I have worked with, been friends with, taught and been acquaintances with many muslims. Not one of them has tried to blow me up. Not one. They have made me lots of nice dinners and birthday cakes, and I've even been ice-skating with some...but not one of them wore a suicide vest. So every time I hear someone spouting some hate filled generalisation about muslims I see their faces and take it quite personally.
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Message 1666439 - Posted: 17 Apr 2015, 18:53:30 UTC - in response to Message 1666425.  

Maybe because of the number of persons claiming that same faith that use suicide vests?

What a delightfully racist thing to say. Sure, because there are a few terrorist who blow themselves up in the name of Islam, therefor the entire bloody government of a country will waste no second starting a nuclear attack. Because clearly you can't be a Muslim and not also have some irresistible urge to blow yourself up.

It is so unfortunate that the leaders of a hunk of desert near the Mediterranean actually believe it, but their paranoia knows no bounds and every thing they hear validates their fears.
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Message 1666460 - Posted: 17 Apr 2015, 19:31:02 UTC - in response to Message 1666425.  
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Maybe because of the number of persons claiming that same faith that use suicide vests?

What a delightfully racist thing to say. Sure, because there are a few terrorist who blow themselves up in the name of Islam, therefor the entire bloody government of a country will waste no second starting a nuclear attack. Because clearly you can't be a Muslim and not also have some irresistible urge to blow yourself up.

Many of the suicide bombers are WOMEN and CHILDREN.
Why? They don't draw so much attention to "muslim" security guards!
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Message 1666481 - Posted: 17 Apr 2015, 20:05:47 UTC - in response to Message 1666460.  

Maybe because of the number of persons claiming that same faith that use suicide vests?

What a delightfully racist thing to say. Sure, because there are a few terrorist who blow themselves up in the name of Islam, therefor the entire bloody government of a country will waste no second starting a nuclear attack. Because clearly you can't be a Muslim and not also have some irresistible urge to blow yourself up.

Many of the suicide bombers are WOMEN and CHILDREN.
Why? They don't draw so much attention to "muslim" security guards!

Much the same way the IRA used to arm small children with water pistols filled with acid to squirt at the British soldiers in Northern Ireland.
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Message 1666487 - Posted: 17 Apr 2015, 20:19:49 UTC - in response to Message 1666481.  
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Much the same way the IRA used to arm small children with water pistols filled with acid to squirt at the British soldiers in Northern Ireland.

Never heard it. And I have met a person from Northern Ireland.
I stayed at a family in England in the early 70's and the childrens grandpa was from there. We saw the news on BBC together often when the problem was big and he never mentioned that story.
The Childrens father was a British Soldier...
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Message 1666604 - Posted: 18 Apr 2015, 0:19:09 UTC - in response to Message 1666487.  
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Much the same way the IRA used to arm small children with water pistols filled with acid to squirt at the British soldiers in Northern Ireland.

Never heard it. And I have met a person from Northern Ireland.
I stayed at a family in England in the early 70's and the childrens grandpa was from there. We saw the news on BBC together often when the problem was big and he never mentioned that story.
The Childrens father was a British Soldier...

The father of my children is from Belfast. I have been there several times. I have been there when Catholic terrorists cordoned off the city with burning cars and hid snipers in the bushes so we could not get back into town without risking being shot. I am not sure what your point is.
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Message 1666617 - Posted: 18 Apr 2015, 0:40:13 UTC - in response to Message 1666604.  

The father of my children is from Belfast. I have been there several times. I have been there when Catholic terrorists cordoned off the city with burning cars and hid snipers in the bushes so we could not get back into town without risking being shot. I am not sure what your point is.

I have no point at all.
First of all when I was England I was very young.
Then I heard stories from the family I lived with one from Belfast.
He thought the situation was disgusting. And he didn't Think Catholic vs Lutheran.
As Always when there is crises there two different stories.
Since you have been in Belfast you are probably more "right" than I am.
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Message 1666776 - Posted: 18 Apr 2015, 10:35:38 UTC

Israel is seen as the promised land for Christianity, Islam as well as Judaism. No one wants to give up the promised land.
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Message 1666872 - Posted: 18 Apr 2015, 16:54:49 UTC

Israel "directly targeted" children in drone strikes on Gaza, says rights group

This is difficult reading, especially if you have children.
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Message 1666881 - Posted: 18 Apr 2015, 17:23:23 UTC - in response to Message 1666872.  
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Israel "directly targeted" children in drone strikes on Gaza, says rights group

This is difficult reading, especially if you have children.

I dont have Childrens.
But Reading this I get sick:(

“Directly targeted” by drones
Another 164 children were “directly targeted and unlawfully killed” in Israeli drone strikes on their homes and in the street as they attempted to flee to safety, according to DCI-Palestine.

DCI-Palestine was particularly alarmed by the high number of children targeted in drone attacks because Israeli drones deliver well-defined images of the people below in real time. Furthermore, Israeli officials often boast that drone strikes are superior to other methods of warfare due to their surgical precision, says DCI-Palestine, suggesting that Israel deliberately targeted children in drone attacks.


I'm certain that the Israeli dont want to kill children and innocents.
But the hit rate is about 60% correct when using drones!
Ban Drones and call it Weapons of Mass Destruction!!!!!!
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Message 1666890 - Posted: 18 Apr 2015, 17:30:23 UTC - in response to Message 1666800.  

Israel is seen as the promised land for Christianity, Islam as well as Judaism. No one wants to give up the promised land.

Therein lies the rub.


I strongly do believe the current religious leaders are losing their credibility and therefore their power over their followers. It is only a matter of time before people's free will will get the upperhand and the truth will be seen by all hence the promised land will be given to those who deserve it.
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Message 1666964 - Posted: 18 Apr 2015, 20:15:03 UTC - in response to Message 1666890.  
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Israel is seen as the promised land for Christianity, Islam as well as Judaism. No one wants to give up the promised land.

Therein lies the rub.


I strongly do believe the current religious leaders are losing their credibility and therefore their power over their followers. It is only a matter of time before people's free will will get the upperhand and the truth will be seen by all hence the promised land will be given to those who deserve it.


Hope is an important factor in religious wars, they thrive on hope in that particular war, now that I come to read Janne's post in the hard drug thread and connect the two different 'addictions'... Both subjects have grave influence on the afflicted people.

I quit nicotine cold turkey 7 days ago, must say it's the best decision ever. People who wage wars should quit 'the urge to win' and let go, they'd feel much better I think. Otoh, their collective consciousness overpowers their individual one is my guess.

I believe 'druggies' call it the urge to 'score' ..
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Message 1666972 - Posted: 18 Apr 2015, 20:22:33 UTC - in response to Message 1666964.  
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FAITH, HOPE and LOVE is one the the foundations of the Christian faith.
Its probably the same or like that in all religions.

Come to think about it. It's probably human nature. God or no God.
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Message 1666977 - Posted: 18 Apr 2015, 20:32:34 UTC - in response to Message 1666972.  
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FAITH, HOPE and LOVE is one the the foundations of the Christian faith.
Its probably the same or like that in all religions.

Come to think about it. It's probably human nature. God or no God.


Unfortunately not all humans think like that Janne and traditional religion isn't based on that either. The original teachings of Christ were, as I stated earier.

Traditional religion is all about money and power. Petrus wanted too much power after Jesus died, that's where he went wrong.
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Message 1667002 - Posted: 18 Apr 2015, 21:02:38 UTC - in response to Message 1666977.  
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FAITH, HOPE and LOVE is one the the foundations of the Christian faith.
Its probably the same or like that in all religions.
Come to think about it. It's probably human nature. God or no God.

Unfortunately not all humans think like that Janne and traditional religion isn't based on that either. The original teachings of Christ were, as I stated earier.
Traditional religion is all about money and power. Petrus wanted too much power after Jesus died, that's where he went wrong.

That humans have different opinions on everything is natural.
But give to much power to religious and politician leaders are bad.
And keep silent about it is also bad.
Thats why democracy exits.
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Message 1667093 - Posted: 19 Apr 2015, 4:56:37 UTC - in response to Message 1667042.  

Israel is seen as the promised land for Christianity, Islam as well as Judaism. No one wants to give up the promised land.

Therein lies the rub.


I strongly do believe the current religious leaders are losing their credibility and therefore their power over their followers. It is only a matter of time before people's free will will get the upperhand and the truth will be seen by all hence the promised land will be given to those who deserve it.

Perhaps in The West, the above is true.

Fanatical Religion is expanding in other regions.

Fanatical religion is expanding in the west. Westboro Baptist Church, Terry Jones .....
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Message 1667119 - Posted: 19 Apr 2015, 6:54:45 UTC - in response to Message 1667095.  

Israel is seen as the promised land for Christianity, Islam as well as Judaism. No one wants to give up the promised land.

Therein lies the rub.


I strongly do believe the current religious leaders are losing their credibility and therefore their power over their followers. It is only a matter of time before people's free will will get the upperhand and the truth will be seen by all hence the promised land will be given to those who deserve it.

Perhaps in The West, the above is true.

Fanatical Religion is expanding in other regions.

Fanatical religion is expanding in the west. Westboro Baptist Church, Terry Jones .....

Watch out!

The Christians will soon start to Behead, Crucify, and Commit Mass Rape, if not stopped!


They can't do that anymore, luckily.. Extremism in Islam otoh still exists and is the rotten apple that should be removed from the world soup of religions.
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Message 1667250 - Posted: 19 Apr 2015, 17:15:14 UTC - in response to Message 1667119.  


Watch out!

The Christians will soon start to Behead, Crucify, and Commit Mass Rape, if not stopped!


They can't do that anymore, luckily.. Extremism in Islam otoh still exists and is the rotten apple that should be removed from the world soup of religions.

How quickly people forget about the Catholic Church paedophile scandals. :/

...or the bombings and beheadings by the IRA.

..or most of the terrorist attacks on US soil which were done by Christians. :/

But keep pretending that the problem is just with fundamentalist muslims.
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Message 1667257 - Posted: 19 Apr 2015, 17:22:14 UTC - in response to Message 1667250.  
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Watch out!
The Christians will soon start to Behead, Crucify, and Commit Mass Rape, if not stopped!

They can't do that anymore, luckily.. Extremism in Islam otoh still exists and is the rotten apple that should be removed from the world soup of religions.

How quickly people forget about the Catholic Church paedophile scandals. :/
...or the bombings and beheadings by the IRA.
..or most of the terrorist attacks on US soil which were done by Christians. :/
But keep pretending that the problem is just with fundamentalist muslims.

Good Point Es99. All religions has much blood on it's hand.
Too much blood, atrocities and opression...
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Message 1667263 - Posted: 19 Apr 2015, 17:33:33 UTC - in response to Message 1667258.  

As of 2011, it is predicted that the world's Muslim population will grow twice as fast as non-Muslims over the next 20 years. By 2030, Muslims will make up more than a quarter of the global population. By the year 2100, about 1% more of the world’s population would be Muslim (35%) than Christian (34%)

But that does not mean that all muslims are terrorists.

Source Muslims

Indeed.

...and it is rather terrible that this thread has become a vehicle for attacking muslims rather than examining the atrocities committed during the Israel-Palestine conflict.

The message seems to be that we should care less about muslim suffering and that muslim lives are worth less.
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