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Message 1666007 - Posted: 16 Apr 2015, 16:53:57 UTC - in response to Message 1666001.  

It is their culture and for us to judge it is *ist and *ism.
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Message 1666008 - Posted: 16 Apr 2015, 16:54:11 UTC - in response to Message 1666001.  

Okay, so your comment on that Iranian Imam? After all, Iran is working hard to becoming a nuclear power in the region & they want Israel gone...

That claim about Iran wanting to 'wipe Israel off the map' can be argued to be a mistranslation.

...how many people reside in Israel & how many in Palestine?

I am not sure of the relevance of this question.

Will you lament the demise of Israel should the Middle East get their wish?

No one is going to allow Israel to be destroyed.

Iran is not Gaza. The people of Gaza are being subjected to human rights abuses by the the state of Israel.

As to the this terrifying spectre of Iran, I am having trouble finding any incidences of them invading or attacking anyone. Whereas Israel has.

I do wonder how real this Iranian threat actually is.

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Message 1666011 - Posted: 16 Apr 2015, 16:58:21 UTC - in response to Message 1666008.  

Iran is not Gaza. The people of Gaza are being subjected to human rights abuses by the the state of Israel.

Are they not also being subjected to human rights abuses by Hamas? IIRC the ICC is investigating that right now.
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Message 1666012 - Posted: 16 Apr 2015, 16:58:37 UTC - in response to Message 1666008.  

Iran's key nuclear sites

Note that one is a military site & do you think that it's to provide sufficient lighting so that they can read the Koran clearly?
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Message 1666013 - Posted: 16 Apr 2015, 17:14:20 UTC - in response to Message 1666012.  
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Here are the small Koran amendments to the Old testamony and the New testamony.
http://quran.com/
In Islam god is called Allah.
In Swedish we call all people Alla:)
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Message 1666024 - Posted: 16 Apr 2015, 17:42:41 UTC - in response to Message 1666011.  

Iran is not Gaza. The people of Gaza are being subjected to human rights abuses by the the state of Israel.

Are they not also being subjected to human rights abuses by Hamas? IIRC the ICC is investigating that right now.

Yes they are, but Hamas does not have the support of the West, whereas Israel does.
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Message 1666027 - Posted: 16 Apr 2015, 17:44:45 UTC - in response to Message 1666024.  

Yes they are, but Hamas does not have the support of the West, whereas Israel does.

I hope that Hamas doesn't have any support!
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Message 1666029 - Posted: 16 Apr 2015, 17:51:33 UTC - in response to Message 1666024.  

Iran is not Gaza. The people of Gaza are being subjected to human rights abuses by the the state of Israel.

Are they not also being subjected to human rights abuses by Hamas? IIRC the ICC is investigating that right now.

Yes they are, but Hamas does not have the support of the West, whereas Israel does.

So they're using Monopoly money & fabricating weapons from clay?
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Message 1666035 - Posted: 16 Apr 2015, 18:02:31 UTC - in response to Message 1666029.  

Iran is not Gaza. The people of Gaza are being subjected to human rights abuses by the the state of Israel.

Are they not also being subjected to human rights abuses by Hamas? IIRC the ICC is investigating that right now.

Yes they are, but Hamas does not have the support of the West, whereas Israel does.

So they're using Monopoly money & fabricating weapons from clay?

That's an interesting question and it does throw light on the complicated nature of Hamas.
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Message 1666058 - Posted: 16 Apr 2015, 19:16:31 UTC - in response to Message 1666035.  

Iran is not Gaza. The people of Gaza are being subjected to human rights abuses by the the state of Israel.

Are they not also being subjected to human rights abuses by Hamas? IIRC the ICC is investigating that right now.

Yes they are, but Hamas does not have the support of the West, whereas Israel does.

So they're using Monopoly money & fabricating weapons from clay?

That's an interesting question and it does throw light on the complicated nature of Hamas.

The West has declared that Hamas is a terrorist organisation, that as I said before, is being investigated for War Crimes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-13331522

And if you look closely enough, you will find that a lot of the Islamic world do not have a good opinion of them either.

About the eye for an eye business, the Jews don't do the New Testament, turn the other cheek.
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Message 1666059 - Posted: 16 Apr 2015, 19:18:21 UTC - in response to Message 1666035.  

Iran is not Gaza. The people of Gaza are being subjected to human rights abuses by the the state of Israel.

Are they not also being subjected to human rights abuses by Hamas? IIRC the ICC is investigating that right now.

Yes they are, but Hamas does not have the support of the West, whereas Israel does.

So they're using Monopoly money & fabricating weapons from clay?

That's an interesting question and it does throw light on the complicated nature of Hamas.

Agreed & while they stay complicated with factions within that organisation unable to agree, the problem remains...

...is Israel to blame for that? If so Why?

If not? Why the outrage against Israel?
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Message 1666063 - Posted: 16 Apr 2015, 19:27:27 UTC
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If three very large religions, Christianity, Jew and Islam have the same place of origin and still argues about it.

Add to that water shortage...

What could possibly go wrong?
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Message 1666066 - Posted: 16 Apr 2015, 19:29:31 UTC - in response to Message 1666063.  

If three very large religions, Christianity, Jew and Islam have the same place of origin and still argues about it.
What could possibly go wrong?

What ever is in their book is law and anything else must be killed.
No, nothing will go wrong, it can't, God won't let that happen.
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Message 1666068 - Posted: 16 Apr 2015, 19:33:16 UTC - in response to Message 1666066.  
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If three very large religions, Christianity, Jew and Islam have the same place of origin and still argues about it.
What could possibly go wrong?

What ever is in their book is law and anything else must be killed.
No, nothing will go wrong, it can't, God won't let that happen.

One God, almost the same book, same laws, different interpretations.
Sigh...
I Think I will convert to.....
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Message 1666317 - Posted: 17 Apr 2015, 11:42:03 UTC - in response to Message 1666001.  

Okay, so your comment on that Iranian Imam? After all, Iran is working hard to becoming a nuclear power in the region & they want Israel gone..

Or so Israel claims. Or more precisely, so Netanyahu claims, and he has been claiming this since the 90's, warning on how Iran was just months away from getting a nuke and obliterating Israel.

The Mossad on the other hand claims Netanyahu is full of manure and that Iran is not even close to getting an actual nuclear bomb.

But even if they do get a bomb, so what? Whats with this ridiculous assertion that a nuclear Iran is going to start a nuclear war? Why? Everyone knows that if Iran gains a nuke and would use it on Israel, Iran would be turned into a giant glass crater. What makes everyone think that Iran's leadership is suicidal? Especially when it has been trying to gain influence all over the region. Iran wants to be a regional power, how does that mix with the idea that they are okay with getting obliterated in a nuclear war?
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Message 1666326 - Posted: 17 Apr 2015, 12:07:53 UTC

There are rumours that Israel already has the bomb.
So when Iran perhaps building one as well it's a threat?
AFAIK Iran has only started to enrich uranium...
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Message 1666336 - Posted: 17 Apr 2015, 13:45:02 UTC - in response to Message 1666317.  

What makes everyone think that Iran's leadership is suicidal?

Maybe because of the number of persons claiming that same faith that use suicide vests?
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Message 1666347 - Posted: 17 Apr 2015, 14:06:08 UTC - in response to Message 1666337.  

There are rumours that Israel already has the bomb.
So when Iran perhaps building one as well it's a threat?
AFAIK Iran has only started to enrich uranium...

When the Israeli People chant, in mass on the streets, Death To Iran.
Then, and only then, does The World has a problem with Israeli Nuclear Weapons.

Well. I have heard "Death to Israel" as well.
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Message 1666425 - Posted: 17 Apr 2015, 18:26:41 UTC - in response to Message 1666336.  

Maybe because of the number of persons claiming that same faith that use suicide vests?

What a delightfully racist thing to say. Sure, because there are a few terrorist who blow themselves up in the name of Islam, therefor the entire bloody government of a country will waste no second starting a nuclear attack. Because clearly you can't be a Muslim and not also have some irresistible urge to blow yourself up.
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Message 1666428 - Posted: 17 Apr 2015, 18:31:57 UTC - in response to Message 1666348.  
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My point.

Which Governments/Peoples are chanting 'Death to...'?

Never has/will be the Israelis, nor their Government.

Oh really?

I would respectfully disagree with you there.

These sources clearly show something different.

And these people actually have nuclear weapons. Perhaps giving Iran weapons will reduce tensions a little, like they had in every conflict so far.
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