On the Colbert Report Mandy Patinkin announced that he will be running for the
position of Israeli Prime Minister, after the next season of Homeland finishes shooting.
He promises to bring "Compassion" and "Love of Humanity" to the government.
Steven Colbert will be in charge of security for Mr Patinkin.

Looks like laughter will be the next weapon brought to bear on the Israeli-Palestinian crisis.

Promises, yep, sounds like a politician alright.

Laughter is always good, as long as it doesn't turn into irony or sarcasm or as long as it simply doesn't turn into ridicule.

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Largest land grab in 30 years

Don't I recall some SOB Zionist politician saying every time Hamas killed a Jew that so many acres of Palestine would be annexed? Group punishment theory?

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Promises, yep, sounds like a politician alright.
Laughter is always good, as long as it doesn't turn into irony or sarcasm or as long as it simply doesn't turn into ridicule.

Mandy Patinkin is an American actor, comedian.
He was making a political statement, if somewhat veiled.
Him being of Jewish descent and eligible to run for prime minister of Israel
he was saying that the present government in Israel was acting in an unethical
manner, without compassion, and devoid of humanity.
Also that partnering with Steven Colbert might get people there to laugh and maybe lighten up a bit.

Sounds like a smart man:)

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I never knew Britain agreed to the partition plan because they expected the USSR to veto it... *remove peg from nose*

But that's neither here nor there... nor indeed in Uganda... Hello everyone! I'm back :) SO much catching up to do :/ Whilst I do... Hev... my very belated surface skim from that cesspit I promised you... *carefully replace peg*

Ex South African zionist, Abba (formerly Aubrey) Eban. Worked for the biochemist and former “terrorist” turned statesman... Chaim Weizmann. Architects of the 1947 “foot in the door partition plan” (their smokescreen to wipe Palestine off the map) after 36 years moving towards that goal, in 1983, Eban's brother-in-law (whose son Isaac is a current member of the Knesset) became the sixth president of Israel. Within months, Eban was appointed Chair of the Knesset's Foreign Affairs and Defence Committee with a remit that included developing new and ongoing foreign defence initiatives, overseeing their enactment at home and abroad, and approving their budgets... Peg anyone?

Jointly funded by Israel... Dr Wouter Basson. Apartheid South Africa's Doctor Death. Operated out of a laboratory in Roodeplaat, South Africa from 1985 to 1994. Directed a top secret chemical and biowarfare unit considered to be one of the most deadly bi-state collaboratively sponsored CBW programs ever. Initial objectives: “to develop substances, both chemical and especially biological, that would kill individuals according to their racial characteristics, whether they be Palestinians in particular or Arabs in general, and people with black skin.”

Diversified into manufacturing and adding: pure forms of drugs such as LSD, Mandrax and Ecstasy into crowd control grenades (for purposes of incriminating victims); Organophosphate insecticides (that killed via absorption through the skin) human fertility inhibitors (one sterilised AND was highly flammable) and flesh-eating bacteria... into tear gas, lip balms, deodorants, etc; Introduced diseases and chemical toxins into water supplies; Poisoned cigarettes, chocolates and alcoholic beverages before leaving them to be found at, for example, township bus stations; And some horrendous experiments on baboons, apes and macaques which included attempts to modify Aids, Marburg, and Ebola viruses (samples of the latter having been routinely sent to South Africa for analysis prior to 2001) to create “dark bombs” that would only infect their target racial groups.

Welcome... to “Project Coast” everyone, where a nuclear missile smack between the eyes might be the least of your worries.

Keenly monitored by and consulting with Israel throughout, Basson's “tests” were not just confined to South Africa's borders. Highly contaminated bodies of his “guinea pigs” were experimentally used as weapons and dropped into neighbouring countries by the South African Defence Force's special services unit. Not all qualified as bodies... until they hit the ground. Others were wrapped to prevent toxin-dilution, flown out to sea and dumped in the Atlantic where it was hoped ocean currents would wash them onto the coastline of other African nations. SADF soldiers who “posed a threat” to the project were routinely eliminated along the way.

Other Israeli “defence initiatives” bundled with Project Coast included: The sharing of training and torture techniques with South Africa's government-sponsored death squad (the Civil Cooperation Bureau) and with it's special forces unit; Providing expertise in adding CBW agents to warheads; Working as “on the ground consultants” during South Africa's regular incursions into neighbouring nations (giving Israel the opportunity to evaluate the effectiveness of their own manufactured chemical agents under different environmental conditions)... in addition to maintaining and extending their collaborative programs that began in 1975 (see my next post)...

The audacity of “The Hostile nation warning” (January 1990)... Was anyone else curious as to why South Africa was suddenly slapped with that within a few months of de Klerk being elected...? At the time, I put it down to just another vacuously toothless potshot at the continuation of apartheid under a different leader (*SNORT!!* silly me :)) not that de Klerk had started nosing around into the activities of his governing departments... stumbled across some nuclear weapons they weren't supposed to have... and wanted them decommissioned. *stunned anniet silence* And that was hostile? *blink* Really?! Do we need to redefine North Korea do you think...?

To be fair, as news of de Klerk's disdainful proboscis hit the desks of Israel's defence ministry, the sudden apparition of an ethic or two in their midst must have come as a bit of a shock to them... so I suppose it's understandable that they promptly did what they're very good at... grabbing a megaphone, pointing a finger, and squealing “anti-semitic”... in this instance, into the ears of their allies. They of course already knew of Israel's collaborative activities with the apartheid regime...

Having at best, done nothing about them (and with a lot of “at worsts” to chew their nails down to the shoulder over) they sensed that it might not go down too well with their electorates and promptly ran out of paper bags to breathe into. They also knew that if South Africa rolled back the nuclear and CBW programs (that Israel had rolled out so gregariously with them to start with)... not only would an unpleasantly large pile of international dung start hitting the fans, but a steady stream of diarrhoea would also be joining it if Project Coast's intended victims ever got their mitts on the products that had ensued from it.

Hence the hostile nation warning. It was meant to stop de Klerk in his tracks. It did not. As a result... rapidly losing any kind of grip over his military and police forces (who were now... in effect... backed by the Western allies of an essentially out of control rogue state) and facing the very real possibility of a military coup that would take his country further down the path of depravity than it was already on... de Klerk did something no one expected... he freed Nelson Mandela.

It signalled a transition of power to come... the dismantling of the obscenity that was Project Coast... the end of apartheid (in South Africa anyway)... and the beginning of a panicked exodus to Israel of many of apartheid South Africa's right wing Jewish “third force” scientific, military and police force top personnel... hotly followed by a sudden wave of religious enlightenment and conversions to Judaism/Zionism, of many others... who, not surprisingly... integrated into Israel's Defence Forces and government departments exceedingly well. But let's not forget that there were also people like... Arthur Goldreich... The South African Jew that hid Nelson Mandela... who saw Israel as closer to the white regime he'd fought against... and modern South Africa as the model it should have prescribed to... Who spoke of Israel's “abhorrent” racism and ”the brutality and inhumanity” of what it imposed on the people of the occupied territories of Palestine.

That a people who had lost 6 million of their own through racism and had then built a nation out of that loss could do such things... horrified him.

It doesn't sit easy with me either :(

edit: tum-te-tum... part two in a bit people...

Second cat among the pigeons post... :) follows on from my previous one.

So how did a people go from suffering the most extreme form of prejudice at the hands of one pariah regime... to making friends with another... and then ultimately following in both of their footsteps...?

In short? 1973.

There you go! :) That's how...

But this is me after all :) so for those who have the time... here's the longer version... for those who haven't... Bye :)

Up until then, relationships had been a tad frosty... Israel disapproved of apartheid, had good relations with the rest of Black-majority rule Africa, and that did not enamour them to Pretoria. Perceptions had started to shift however... Israel's actions in the region were beginning to be viewed as aggressive colonialism... not a popular flavour when most African nations had had to fight precisely that to gain independence. Many had spawned “terrorist” groups to do so. All of them recognised the hallmark of an oppressed people in the rise of Palestinian terror organisations on the world's stages, and none of them appreciated the blind eye of the west when it came to viewing Mossad's state-sanctioned terror incursions abroad...

...and then along came this one in July 1973...

Mossad recruited and trained ex South African Zionist Jew, Sylvia Rafael. We only know of her because of a botched Mossad operation in which she and her team assassinated (in front of his pregnant Norwegian wife) an innocent Moroccan waiter in Norway. Exposed and arrested shortly afterwards... South Africa's apartheid leaders noted the rumblings that went through Africa in the wake of the revelation of her national origins...

...and came up with a great big glow in the dark olive branch to wave about the place... the inspired decision to recruit a voluntary force of 1500 South African Jews (from it's own Defence Forces) and send them to Israel along with 30 million dollars in aid. It sealed Israel's fate in Africa. Bar four little countries (who would be paid to allow Israeli training bases and military operations to be launched from within their borders) by the end of the Yom Kippur war, Black Africa had severed all ties, the United Nations had just declared apartheid a”crime against humanity” and both countries were friendless on the continent... And then someone sloped into Pretoria for a little chat about nuclear weapons... and a very dirty and underhanded government department that was set up in the 1960's by Yitzhak Rabin's defence minister, Shimon Peres, the very man who'd come to call...

LAKAM - Israel’s “Bureau of Scientific Relations” (aka the Science Liaison Bureau) to which Peres had recruited the Israeli spy Arnon Milchan (son of a chemist)... owner of a fertiliser and agro-chemical company with links to Zionist propaganda organisations worldwide. Tasked to supply the Israeli nation’s nuclear weapons programme, that was about to get a boost...

The “Joint Secretariate for Political and Psychological Warfare” set up in 1975. Represented by the South African propaganda and counter intelligence specialist, Eschel Rhoodie... and Israel's very own Arnon Milchan... now tasked with the same role for South Africa that he played for Israeli intelligence... defence procurement, the propaganda war, and nuclear collaboration. This is how it worked. In exchange for... military technology and covert public relations assistance (to sell the “validity and strategic value” of the apartheid regime... “build the perception of a communist threat” and “justify its hostile military actions accordingly”) South Africa opened up a steady supply of uranium and nuclear testing locations for Israel.

The propaganda stuff *pop-eyed stare into space* brain boggling... eye-openingly relevant to how the disinformation machinery of Israel's propaganda network operates today... but this post would become mammoth if I started banging on about that in detail (on top of everything else I'm banging on about at the moment) :/ so perhaps the following will help to demonstrate it...

Israeli revival of the colonialist use of “Askari's” (“puppet terrorists” that have no close ties to a targeted population, so will have no reservations about killing them). Involved: The recruitment, training and arming of criminal gangs and disaffected youths (from one of their African footholds, like Malawi for example) into cut throat mercenary forces; Inserting them into nations deemed “hostile” by their puppet masters to initiate civil unrest/wars for the purpose of first: Distracting media attention away from the orchestrating regime or (once the “service” was rolled out for South Africa) regimes. A cynical modern twist on an old favourite; Then, marketing them as “anti-communist militia” to the West...

Hold on a minute... Anti-communist did you say?!

*trip over cheque books in rush to bankroll them*

...thus freeing up the puppeteers own funds for other “projects” and even generating military aid packages for themselves to protect their borders.

Sound familiar anyone...?

Operation Shrapnel (May 1983) South Africa and Israel's “academic exercise”. SA Air Force attack on a child-care centre in Mozambique's capital, Maputo (killed 6 and severely injured 40, many suffering horrendous chemical burns)... Carbon copy of an IDF attack on Beirut the previous year... using:
exactly the same weapons (anti-personnel cluster and phosphorous bombs and "special fragmentation rockets")...
exactly the same target selection criteria (the softest of civilians – very young children)... and
exactly the same propaganda feed (retaliatory attack on terrorist bases).

Primary aim: to see if, despite it's pariah status, South Africa's claim (“the operation successfully targeted ANC bases and was in retaliation for a prior ANC attack”) spouted through the multiple propaganda mouthpieces set up by Milchan, would play in the rest of the media in the same way that the Israeli one had. It did... hook, line, and sinker :( Secondary aim: to identify dissenting voices intent on exposing the truth... for later discrediting and/or silencing through whatever means were necessary. Mozambique's first president, Samora Machel, was one who didn't shut up... until his plane took an unexpected turn off course and crashed into mountains inside South Africa's border, killing him and all 34 others on board in October 1986.

Accident? Earlier the same year the Israeli military had provided the South African apartheid regime's military forces with a VOR - Very High Frequency Omnidirectional Range mobile navigational beacon... for luring planes away from their correct flight paths...

Apartheid South Africa's super spy “who never came in from the cold” - Craig Michael Williamson. Expert in undercover propaganda warfare recruitment. Former South African police major, exposed as a spy in 1980 but stayed operational and never brought to justice. Believed to have played a part in providing the components/equipment responsible for the downing of three aircraft. Had already begun working closely with Israel's Mossad operatives, sharing training and recruitment techniques along with tactical approaches, such as, when you can't get your man... go for the wife and children instead. Involved in a series of state-sponsored overseas bombings, burglaries, kidnappings and assassinations... aimed at silencing critics of apartheid in the most permanent fashion possible.

The International Freedom Foundation – propaganda organisation formed in Washington in the mid 80's – an offshoot of the Joint Secretariate for Political and Psychological Warfare. Founded by the Zionist Jack Abramoff and funded by South Africa - with payments funnelled through Israel. South African codename: Operation Baboushka... to exaggerate, fabricate and feed the west's fears of communist nuclear proliferation throughout Africa (SNORT... erm... sorry – turned out it was really only Israel everyone had to be afraid of there... silly us!) and specifically on and within South Africa's borders. Also... to gather intelligence on the whereabouts/movements of apartheid's most influential opponents abroad... to be passed to agents such as Mr Williamson for targeting.

So is this just history? Not relevant to the Israel of today? Perhaps we should look at where these people are now...

Arnon Milchan... suddenly developed a conscience and became a billionaire film producer... after getting rich propping up and supplying the killing machinery of the apartheid regime both at home and abroad, smuggling nuclear weapons components, and honing the world's most elaborate and widespread disinformation networks of course. Underwrites the Israeli Network - Israel's television propaganda mouthpiece into the United States and Canada. Socialises with Israel's Zionist elite. Married to the former South African tennis professional Amanda Coetzer... VERY interesting given that one of the techniques Israel has recently adopted to block planning permission to Palestinians on their stolen and bulldozed land is by zoning the land for the development of “tennis centres” which have been popping up all over former Palestinian territories in the West Bank.

Jack Abramoff – impossible to summarise in a few words, other than saying NOW, a former Republican corrupt "superlobbyist". Pop him into sourcewatch if you want more of an expose. Or, if you fancy something a lot shorter and sanitised – read this... notable for what it left out when it used the term “pet projects”... Here's two: Funnelling funds and “night hunting equipment” to extreme right-wing settlers in Israel... setting up a "sniper school" for “bored youths” in the colonial settlement of Beitar Illit. A quick delve into the nationalities of the residents of the areas he stocks, brings up figures of up to 35 percent of some settlements comprising of: ex-South African Jews; ex-South African converts to Judaism; and ex-South African secular Zionists. These towns, according to the IDF... “produce a larger than average number of young people in our elite forces.” I wonder why...

Craig Michael Williamson – where is he now? Well it seems all over the place... struggling to pin down precisely where he lives - but seems to meet up “socially” with some of Netanyahu's cabinet ministers from time to time... and is CEO of an estate agency in Jerusalem which specialises in establishing Jewish settlements on stolen Palestinian land in the West bank... with, you guessed it... a rather large proportion of ex-South African's residing within them...

And let's not forget that most of the 1500 contingent of racistly-programmed and trained soldiers that went to Israel in 1973 – stayed - and ultimately rose through IDF ranks and beyond...

And then there are of course, newspaper columnists like South African-born Martin Sherman, a former ministerial adviser to Yitzhak Shamir’s government, who feeds the Israeli people stuff like this: “The only durable solution requires dismantling Gaza, relocation of the non-belligerent Arab population, and extension of Israeli sovereignty over the region. That is the only approach that can solve the problem of Gaza. That is the only approach that will eliminate the threat to Israel.”

Threat to Israel? Really?

This and my previous post is a fraction of what I've found so far :( I've left out everything I was unable to verify from other sources, not necessarily because they could not be verified, but because my broadband problems played havoc with the trails I was on. Some of them are so horrible to contemplate I sincerely hope they are not true :(

As to my dilemma... I started this wondering if a few rotten apples from the apartheid regime spoiled Israel... I've now come round to wondering if it wasn't the other way round... but I will settle in the meantime for the middle ground and say it was more of a two way affair... obviously I'll keep you informed if that changes.

We would need 10,000+ paragraphs to cover the hegemony of the USA. However let's stay on topic of Zionist Israel and oppressed Palestine.

I thought the German Jew's were just doing the same things that were done to them, but to hear they brought in the South African's so they could keep their hands clean ...

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Really don't understand this Obsession with The Jewish State of Israel.

I know exactly what you mean Clyde :( It's almost like they're well... to borrow a term that's been used to describe Dr Death in recent years - teflon coated.

There are a lot more 'Bad Actors' in The World.

So glad I spotted the inverted commas there... nearly went RIGHT off topic :/

Yes... they don't all top the list of American military aid though do they... and nor are they in the 2% of nations who have yet to ratify the Chemical Weapons Convention (or even sign it - like number two in the aid list - Egypt. I mean... not even Syria is part of the 2% club...)

I can understand why of course... destroying the stockpile that's been amassed would represent a HUGE financial loss... and... there's only so many Askari forces you can offload them to... allegedly... before you risk the trail leading back to you...

Let's do 10+ Paragraph Post's about them.

I think they are more interesting.

Oh... aah... well there you go anniet! That'll teach you to start responding to a post before you've read the whole thing. *smack hand* And it was such a short one too... no excuse really!
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I'm sorry you found the posts boring Clyde :/ The second one DID have a "get out after 5 lines" exit point in it...

*note to self* international crimes do not interest ex-policemen

We would need 10,000+ paragraphs to cover the hegemony of the USA.

Gary... hi! Um... not sure I'd keep Clyde's attention if I did one... and then to be fair I'd have to do one on Britain too... at least... :/ so how about a summary?

Government is a VERY dirty business... and we don't even count as pawns :(

However let's stay on topic of Zionist Israel and oppressed Palestine.

I thought the German Jew's were just doing the same things that were done to them, but to hear they brought in the South African's so they could keep their hands clean ...

Um... don't forget... you know... Askari forces... :(

Contracting out... much less blood on your own hands... especially sanitary when done through undercover agents and down a chain of command so the nutters with the weapons don't even know who they're working for.

If my previous posts were a bit off topic... Is this one better do you think?

Israeli officer tosses Palestinian shepherds from their land so settlers don’t have to hear Arabic

Annie, the USA would be off topic here, except where Israel has gotten them to do their dirty work for free.

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Annie, the USA would be off topic here, except where Israel has gotten them to do their dirty work for free.

True. Will definitely stay on topic I promise :)

erm... After this though...

Except to...

Clyde :)

If it's not too personal... do you have a twin? You know, who... when you're together... finishes your sentences for you? :)

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2014/09/islamic-state-fears-take-hold-netherlands-201492131426326526.html wrote:

Islamic State fears take hold in Netherlands

Street tension between radical Muslims and Holland's hard right rises, as Islamic State anxiety grows.

The Hague, Netherlands - Three Dutch citizens were arrested last week on suspicion of recruiting for the hard-line Islamic State (IS) group in its armed struggle in Syria and Iraq, as tensions between radical Muslims and Holland's far-right Pro Patria organisation continue to rise.

The men detained come from The Hague, the city that positions itself as an international city of peace and justice, and which Islamic State sympathisers have also named "Jihad City". Mayor of The Hague, Jozias van Aartsen, said during a press conference that they had caught "big fish" who had "sown hatred and incited terrorism" on social media and news sites.

One of those detained is 32-year-old Azzedine Choukoud, known as Abou Moussa, a charismatic Dutchman of Moroccan descent. He has been involved in demonstrations in recent years, and has been in contact with fighters in Syria. In a YouTube video, he congratulated the Muslim community on the establishment of the caliphate in Iraq and Syria. A few young men hold up a black IS flag in the background.

According to the Dutch General Intelligence and Security Service, the Islamic State movement in the Netherlands amounts to a few hundred followers and several thousand sympathisers. Edwin Bakker, director of the Centre for Terrorism and Counterterrorism at Leiden University, estimated that The Hague's Islamic State supporters consists of 200 men.

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Clyde :)

If it's not too personal... do you have a twin? You know, who... when you're together... finishes your sentences for you? :)

I just like to ask questions, and leave blanks to fill-in. It is the answer's, if any, which are Illuminating.

Sorry. That is just my Training and Experience in the past, and in my present position.

Does drive my family nuts :)

:) I can imagine :))))

Okay... well as the blank was mine to fill in I think... :) let me attempt a quick reconstruct so that my answer illuminates you :) We can pretend I'm being interrogated if you like...

Investigating officer - Clyde:
No, they [Israel] are not [teflon coated]. Except to...

suspect - anniet:
To avoid REALLY embarrassing their allies. Um... sir, and of course... :)

@Gary... ahem... warning :) pot kettle situation I know... (there does seem to be a bit of it about ;)) ... but I thought I'd popped into the wrong thread for a minute... but I did find this one sentence...

Over the past few months, several pro-Gaza demonstrations have been held in the district, at which a number of people were seen waving IS flags.

Did I miss anything else?

This is predominantly on topic I think... Israel and the law — the views of three international jurists

Interesting...

Having oversight does not mean anything these days, just look to America & the NSA.

"The newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth quoted the letter as saying that unlike in other countries there was "no oversight on methods of intelligence or tracking, and the use of intelligence information against the Palestinians, regardless of whether they are connected to violence or not"."

in the news..

Mortar Fired From Gaza Hits South Israel: Israeli Military

JERUSALEM (AP) -- The Israeli military says a mortar round fired from Gaza hit southern Israel for the first time since the end of the Gaza war last month.

The military says the explosion did not wound anyone or cause any damage.

A Hamas security official said the group was not behind the attack. He spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the matter with the media.

The Gaza war -- the third in just over five years -- left more than 2,100 Palestinians dead, the majority of them civilians, according to Palestinian and U.N. officials. On the Israeli side, 66 soldiers and six civilians were killed.

Israel and Hamas agreed to a cease-fire in August that brought an end to the 50-day war.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/16/gaza-mortar-israel_n_5830628.html

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Thanx for the update Lynn. Heard on the radio this morning what the costs will be for rebuilding Gaza:( This money could've been used for totally different means if this war wouldn't have had occured...

Report: Rebuilding Gaza to Cost $7.8 Billion

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It's about to erupt & hit the headlines again...

Sweden to recognise Palestinian state

Well there you go. So predictable. Netanyahu throws a hissy fit and summons the Swedish ambassador (for declaring an intent which frankly, every country should have done when they recognised the State of Israel all those many years ago). A two state solution has NEVER been Israel's intention and never will be - and Netanyahu is NOT happy now that the first Western European nation has finally taken the first step. I'd like to think the meeting pushes the recognition date forward, NOT back... I won't hold my breath though :/

But maybe it's time to re-think the UN veto. Actually let me rephrase that - it's well past time to re-think the UN veto.

In 2006, John J. Mearsheimer established the following: "since 1982, the US has vetoed 32 Security Council resolutions critical of Israel, more than the total number of vetoes cast by all the other Security Council members."

By February 2011 - that had gone up to 42 - despite calls from organisations such as the Jewish Voice for Peace... calling for the US to STOP using it's veto on resolutions criticising Israel.

I'd best not get started on other things - like the five permanent members - with their big squashy right of veto sticks - also being the five biggest arms dealers to the rest of the world. If I was feeling cynical I'd say the middle-east was their weapons' testing ground... and taking their big squashy sticks away would lead to a lot of stomping out in a huff... but now I'm off topic...

Should have a thread just to debate those powers?

Cheers.

I disagree. The Veto serves a very useful purpose, namely to prevent wars. Well of course it can't stop one dictator from attacking his neighbor, but it does set the bar for a large scale conflict pretty high. And given how trigger happy the US for example is, by vetoing their proposals to interfere every time they want to, they are kept in check.

Now you might say that this is a bad thing and that the US and maybe Western Europe should interfere in countries where horrible things are happening. Again, I must disagree. In most cases, a military intervention solves nothing. Its a waste of time, resources and lives. Sure, you perhaps alleviate one problem now, but that will cause more problems later. Look at Libya. We intervened. Did it help? God no, the country is slowly falling apart and gun toting extremists are everywhere. Better yet, the militias Gadaffi hired to help him then left Libya and caused the mess in Mali.

You should only intervene when you are sure you will do it in such a way that in the long run the country gets better. And most of the time, they don't know for sure, they just wanna drop bombs and get out.

+1

Well you know how the European "elder" statesmen dislike the younger disrespecting them as they see them as upstarts.

The UK's House of Commons is presently voting to recognise Palestine I believe. Non-binding and opposed by the cabinet of course - if RT news is to be believed that is (sorry - not my usual news source - cat stepped on the remote whilst fleeing the vacuum cleaner).

Interesting though...