Well... *warning - anniet musing* ...it is increasingly likely in the not too distant future that the only way the unemployed could effectively strike for better conditions is to march into an office block and sit down at someone else's desk.
What with security - the best they could probably hope for is to attempt to be a security guard for all of the two minutes it'll take before they're marched back out onto the street.
If they're taking on robots - presumably with the primary ojective built in - wonder what the result would be...

Robots? I Think they already are here.
Have you talked to customer 'support' lately?
Especially IT, Telephone and energy 'support'
I have better contact and communication with Skatteverket (IRS in US, English?)...
Is it work to tell the customer that they are always wrong and the computer says 'NO' whatever the customer says?

I keep reminding customers at that as well at times, they are always quite patient over here:)

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I keep reminding customers at that as well at times, they are always quite patient over here:)

Not according to my sister who lives in England and worked in the IT business.
But she has same temper as I have:)
Grumpy old man and grumpy old woman!

So one no human has a job and they cant pay taxes because they have no job. How do you tax a robot? How do you tax a corporation that has no workers. If you dont have to work how do you buy food, clothes, shelter. And if they are just given to you for free then you need no money at all. So where the hell is your money coming from to supply all this free stuff to every human on Earth? From the owners of said compamies? I suppose they will get the hell taxed out of them so they can watch the rest of humanity sit on their fat butts and do nothing. Yeah That sounds fair to me. Reminds me of the movie Wall-E.

Please explain to me how your idea of a utopia like that would work. I dont believe it could.

Well for one, in such a system taxes would no longer be necessary. The upkeep of government services would be free thanks to the robots and automated programs doing the work.

Money is a way to motivate people and organizations to do certain things, to provide certain services or build certain products. If you don't pay them, they don't do their jobs. But when computers and robots run everything, they don't need to be paid, they don't need no monetary incentive to do their job. All they need is some electricity so they can work, but other than that they don't need anything. They can provide you with all their products and services for free.

And To set that system up, first you need to pay for it. And that means taxes. Do you really think some comapany and or shareholders will allow themselves to be taxed just so they have to give the product away? And who pays for repairs or upgrades?
The day humans sit on their ass and do nothing is when you see society collaspe. You can hold on to your utopian dream, I for one belive such a society would never work.

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Most people, I've met, want to work. However, they, also, want to work in
a desired field, with a good wage. A number of barristers and bartenders,
here, have college degrees. True, they eventually, find work in their fields,
but the numbers aren't promising, for future "full"/"fuller" employment.

I don't really buy into the old argument that most of the unemployed are
lazy, etc. Some, yes, but most want decent work. Service industries, such
as lawn service, coffee-house and restaurant employment are seen as temporary,
by many "upward-bound", at best.

Automation is, I feel, should be a paramount concern for USA's government,
as well as other countries' governments. White-collar jobs are now taking
hits.

The solution?

A number of issues, ago, an article in the Progressive magazine suggested,
as an interim step, taxing those who have invested in the capital which
supports automation. They won't like it, but won't have much choice. The
diverted money would go to supplement the underpaid members of society.

Long-range? A conundrum, as Alan Greenspan would say. Perhaps, jobs
in space (very long-range, obviously). I posed a challenge to an MIT
post-graduate, at Starbucks, a few months, ago -- Design automation that
would not only justify itself in the market, but would, also, put more
people back to work. The answer: I can't be done.

Well, life seems to go in cycles. I hope the next one doesn't prove to
be a tsunami.
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I just asked people for some money, completely independent from society.

Asking People completely Independent from Society for Money. People who have No Money, can give money? Oh!

So People who are In Society, are asked by People, Not In Society-Completely Independent-for Money? Ok, I get 'it'.

Meet Up With People In Society to get Money. Independently. So, Society Meets with Non-Society for Money Exchange.

Non-Society People, are part of A Society For The Exhange of Money From Society To People Independent of Society.

Cool

Man 'O Live

Got SingUUUUUUUlarity?

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Automation is, I feel, should be a paramount concern for USA's government, as well as other countries' governments. White-collar jobs are now taking hits.

Most white-collar jobs can be formalized and therefore could be subject to automation. Why it take so much time to do this I dont know.
Think about it. Millions of peoples staring at a computer screen all day long.
Perhaps waiting for the system to get upgraded.
Or having problem to login and use a system because you dont have proper authority do so.
You dont know who to talk with when problems occure.
Manuals? What is that. You cant RTFM when a computer system is down!

A number of barristers and bartenders, here, have college degrees.

In our country we have very well educated taxidrivers and busboys.
Highly skilled Doctors, Engineers, Teachers and many more.
But since they are coming from Iraq, Iran so forget any qualified jobs.

And To set that system up, first you need to pay for it. And that means taxes. Do you really think some comapany and or shareholders will allow themselves to be taxed just so they have to give the product away? And who pays for repairs or upgrades?
The day humans sit on their ass and do nothing is when you see society collaspe. You can hold on to your utopian dream, I for one belive such a society would never work.

Companies already pay for it by automating much of their production of work process. As for who pays for repairs and upgrades, well thats the point of the singularity isn't it? Machines can do that themselves at that point.

The singularity....ONE point of light.

It is coming.

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