Think this fits in here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dpk5Z7GIFs&feature=trueview-instream

I think he is spot on.

Louis CK - "If murder was legal"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTc1fs4VGT0

Mass murderer Charles Manson plans to marry a 26-year-old woman who left her Midwestern home and spent the past nine years trying to help exonerate him.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/ap-exclusive-charles-manson-marriage-license-26978380
Some telephone conversations for not long time ago with Manson suggest that he's as crazy and evil as more than 40 years ago.

Mass murderer Charles Manson plans to marry a 26-year-old woman who left her Midwestern home and spent the past nine years trying to help exonerate him.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/ap-exclusive-charles-manson-marriage-license-26978380
Some telephone conversations for not long time ago with Manson suggest that he's as crazy and evil as more than 40 years ago.

Considering he has had a lot of time in places like Pelican Bay ....
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/solitary-confinement-torture

Rampant use of solitary confinement in the US constitutes torture
George Ruiz is 72 years old. For the past 30 years, he has spent every day alone — locked in a cramped, windowless cell inside the Security Housing Unit (SHU) first at California’s Pelican Bay State Prison, then at Tehachapi prison. He is allowed out for only one hour per day to exercise – also alone – in another concrete cell.

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http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/solitary-confinement-torture

Rampant use of solitary confinement in the US constitutes torture
George Ruiz is 72 years old. For the past 30 years, he has spent every day alone — locked in a cramped, windowless cell inside the Security Housing Unit (SHU) first at California’s Pelican Bay State Prison, then at Tehachapi prison. He is allowed out for only one hour per day to exercise – also alone – in another concrete cell.

What Crime(s) did he commit? He doesn't say.

Look at the 'Banner'. They don't care. Of course they don't.

Typical Screw The Victims(s).

Ah, Mr. [thankfully retired] Police Officer,

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

it it obvious that you believe that cruel and unusual punishments should be inflicted for some crimes.

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that cruel and unusual punishments should be inflicted for some crimes.

Sorry...

I cry for the victim's, and have seen too, too, too many.

You can cry for the criminals.

So you think vengeance solves things. Lets apply the golden rule to you. Do unto others (vengeance) what you want done unto yourself. Are you a masochist?

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Sorry...

I cry for the victim's, and have seen too, too, too many.

You can cry for the criminals. Who have committed terror, death, substantial pain, suffering, destruction of mental health, and other crimes against the innocent.

Your choice.

+1

Although I think a line should be drawn between deliberate intent, (e.g. Murder and robbery) and negligence (e.g. MVA's) or "Crimes of Passion", where a person has been driven beyond the limits of their self control and they snap.

"Crimes of passion" are (or were) a moderating factor under French law, but this is open to abuse as the defendant can make all sorts of claims against the victim who may not be around to defend themselves.

Edit: In ancient times, a murderer could be sentenced to become the slave of the family of their victim, to make up for the loss of income the family suffered due to the death of that member. It isn't such bad idea.

T.A.

Sorry...

I cry for the victim's, and have seen too, too, too many.

You can cry for the criminals. Who have committed terror, death, substantial pain, suffering, destruction of mental health, and other crimes against the innocent.

Your choice.

Hows that gonna solve anything. Will brutally torturing the criminal undo the damage done to the victim? No it wont. Its a complete waste of effort and quite frankly, it lowers yourself to the level of the criminal.

Sorry...

I cry for the victim's, and have seen too, too, too many.

You can cry for the criminals. Who have committed terror, death, substantial pain, suffering, destruction of mental health, and other crimes against the innocent.

Your choice.

Hows that gonna solve anything. Will brutally torturing the criminal undo the damage done to the victim? No it wont. Its a complete waste of effort and quite frankly, it lowers yourself to the level of the criminal.

+1

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Sorry...
I cry for the victim's, and have seen too, too, too many.
You can cry for the criminals. Who have committed terror, death, substantial pain, suffering, destruction of mental health, and other crimes against the innocent.
Your choice.

+1
Although I think a line should be drawn between deliberate intent, (e.g. Murder and robbery) and negligence (e.g. MVA's) or "Crimes of Passion", where a person has been driven beyond the limits of their self control and they snap.
"Crimes of passion" are (or were) a moderating factor under French law, but this is open to abuse as the defendant can make all sorts of claims against the victim who may not be around to defend themselves.
Edit: In ancient times, a murderer could be sentenced to become the slave of the family of their victim, to make up for the loss of income the family suffered due to the death of that member. It isn't such bad idea.
T.A.

An example of "Crimes of Passion" recently in Sweden.
https://translate.google.se/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dn.se%2Fnyheter%2Fsverige%2Faklagaren-25-ariga-kvinnan-forberedde-mordet-noggrant%2F&edit-text=

If the prosecutor had demanded aggravated assault and manslaughter, then she would have admitted. But the prosecutor calls it killing in intent, which she thus denies.

Not in intent?
She even dismembered the body and then put the parts in large plastic bags.
She is not mentally disturbed, according to the forensic psychiatric examination.

Just read what this criminal wrote. NOTHING about his victim(s). He doesn't care. Never will. He is scum.

So now the criminal is the reporter. I like how your mind works. Lock the press up!

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The majority of all individuals who commit severe violent crime do so under the influence of alcohol or drugs...

Cite please. Don't doubt it, just would like to see a study.

The study includes more than 14 000 people born in 1953 in Stockholm. Of these, over 2600, more than 18 percent, committed a crime at some point in life.
In 284 people were details of a hard drug addiction. Of these 260 people, that is over 90 percent, committed a crime.
http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/missbruket-boven-bakom-kriminaliteten/
The researchers in this study have not looked at how alcohol abuse affects crime, but a subsequent study found a similar pattern among alcohol abusers. The only difference is that crime levels are slightly lower compared to drug addicts.

Ths study links crime and use,
you stated "severe violent crime" that's why I asked for a cite. I'd expect burglary, not axe murder.

Here is statistics of severe violent crime under the influence of alcohol or drugs in Sweden. I think every country has about the same figures.
https://translate.google.se/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bra.se%2Fbra%2Fbrott-och-statistik%2Fmord-och-drap.html&edit-text=

In 75 percent of cases of deadly force knows the people involved each other previously. The risk of being attacked and killed in a public place is still extremely small. It is common for crimes occurring within the family, but you can see an increase in the proportion of cases in the criminal groups. Lethal violence perpetrated often with some kind of weapon, and the knife is very common. In recent years, an average of 45 percent of the perpetrators under the influence of alcohol, but it is a figure that has reduced. Instead, the proportion of drug-affected offenders increases.

I'm a bit surprised about the low proportion compared with for instance assault but maybe you need a "clear" head when doing severe crimes.

Statistics for assaults related to alcohol and drugs are missing.
https://www.bra.se/bra/brott-och-statistik/vald-och-misshandel.html

A large proportion of all assaults related to alcohol and occurs in a public place, usually between people who do not know each other previously. In this type of abuse most common is that both victims and perpetrators are men. When abuse occurs in the home, it is usually a woman who is the victim.

But surely there is assaults that sometimes destroy other persons life and I think it would be called a severe crime.

A large proportion of all assaults related to alcohol and occurs in a public place, usually between people who do not know each other previously. In this type of abuse most common is that both victims and perpetrators are men. When abuse occurs in the home, it is usually a woman who is the victim.

Agree. But...

The assaults committed upon males, by females, are under reported. Especially Domestic.

Anyone responding to these incidents, over the years. Can count many, many times, the male, injured victim, refused to state how he was injured by the female ("Oh, I fell down the steps"). And it was NOT a case of Self-Defense by the female.

However... The Vast Majority of Assaults, are committed by males upon females.

As you say, intimate partner violence (IPV) are under reported.
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2458/12/945/abstract

More men (11%) than women (8%) reported exposure to physical assault in the past year, while more women reported exposure to sexual coercion. Duration of present relationship ≤ 3 years was identified as a significant risk factor for men’s exposure. Young age, lack of social support and being single, constituted risk factors for women’s exposure. Surprisingly many men (37%) and women (41%) also reported exposure to controlling behaviours.

Home is a dangerous place to live in.
Most accidents that needs medical attention occurs in the home as well.

Sorry...

I cry for the victim's, and have seen too, too, too many.

You can cry for the criminals. Who have committed terror, death, substantial pain, suffering, destruction of mental health, and other crimes against the innocent.

Your choice.

Hows that gonna solve anything. Will brutally torturing the criminal undo the damage done to the victim? No it wont. Its a complete waste of effort and quite frankly, it lowers yourself to the level of the criminal.

Negative.

Just asked what crime(s) did he commit.

Just read what this criminal wrote. NOTHING about his victim(s). He doesn't care. Never will. He is scum.

However...

NEVER asked for Vigilante Justice, Torturing, etc. As unthinking (as always) Left/Right Ideological accusers believe.

NEVER said his Constitutional Right's should be abridged (another unthinking ideological accusation).

Even scum MUST be protected. Did that everyday in PD.

My Sympathy is ALWAYS for the Victim

That's because you lack something called empathy. Its the part that makes us human.

Here is something that most human beings will find evil. You however will ask "What was her crime?" as if that matters.


My Cellmate and I Were Denied Proper Cancer Treatment in Prison
Gina spent what would be the last week of her life in horrific pain—crying, terrified, ignored. No one listened.


There is evil right there.

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Sorry...
I cry for the victim's, and have seen too, too, too many.
You can cry for the criminals. Who have committed terror, death, substantial pain, suffering, destruction of mental health, and other crimes against the innocent.
Your choice.

Hows that gonna solve anything. Will brutally torturing the criminal undo the damage done to the victim? No it wont. Its a complete waste of effort and quite frankly, it lowers yourself to the level of the criminal.

Negative.
Just asked what crime(s) did he commit.
Just read what this criminal wrote. NOTHING about his victim(s). He doesn't care. Never will. He is scum.
However...
NEVER asked for Vigilante Justice, Torturing, etc. As unthinking (as always) Left/Right Ideological accusers believe.
NEVER said his Constitutional Right's should be abridged (another unthinking ideological accusation).
Even scum MUST be protected. Did that everyday in PD.
My Sympathy is ALWAYS for the Victim

That's because you lack something called empathy. Its the part that makes us human.
Here is something that most human beings will find evil. You however will ask "What was her crime?" as if that matters.

My Cellmate and I Were Denied Proper Cancer Treatment in Prison
Gina spent what would be the last week of her life in horrific pain—crying, terrified, ignored. No one listened.

There is evil right there.

Is Proper Cancer Treatment something to be granted for all?
Well. Not in my country and I Think US as well. Both criminals and us regulary folks are often denied that. You have to pay tax or ensurance to get treatments.
So in a sense you could call governments (elected by voters) to be evil.

About empathy. Dont everyone have more empathy to a victim than a perpetrator?
Victims are often treated more badly or should I say ignored by the socicity than the criminal.

About punishment. Solitary confinement and death penalty does not serve any purposes. It's all about revenge and very evil to.

Sorry...

I cry for the victim's, and have seen too, too, too many.

You can cry for the criminals. Who have committed terror, death, substantial pain, suffering, destruction of mental health, and other crimes against the innocent.

Your choice.

Hows that gonna solve anything. Will brutally torturing the criminal undo the damage done to the victim? No it wont. Its a complete waste of effort and quite frankly, it lowers yourself to the level of the criminal.

Negative.

Just asked what crime(s) did he commit.

Just read what this criminal wrote. NOTHING about his victim(s). He doesn't care. Never will. He is scum.

However...

NEVER asked for Vigilante Justice, Torturing, etc. As unthinking (as always) Left/Right Ideological accusers believe.

NEVER said his Constitutional Right's should be abridged (another unthinking ideological accusation).

Even scum MUST be protected. Did that everyday in PD.

My Sympathy is ALWAYS for the Victim

That's because you lack something called empathy. Its the part that makes us human.

Here is something that most human beings will find evil. You however will ask "What was her crime?" as if that matters.


My Cellmate and I Were Denied Proper Cancer Treatment in Prison
Gina spent what would be the last week of her life in horrific pain—crying, terrified, ignored. No one listened.


There is evil right there.

Neither you, nor Gary, have displayed any empathy for the victims.

I do not have empathy, nor excuse those, who destroy innocent lives. As you guys do. We know your type.

Oh, by the way. What crime(s) did this, destroyer of innocents, commit?

You speak as if neither me nor my family have ever been the victims of a serious crime.

You don't speak for me any more than you speak for any victim. So you can get off your high horse about it. Shame on you.

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Will look later to start a part 2 guys, thread is getting a tad long for Politics.

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Is Proper Cancer Treatment something to be granted for all?
Well. Not in my country and I Think US as well. Both criminals and us regulary folks are often denied that. You have to pay tax or ensurance to get treatments.
So in a sense you could call governments (elected by voters) to be evil.

If you are in prison, you can't pay taxes or insurance. Nor should you in order to get access to medical care. If you are in prison, the state becomes responsible for your health and the state has the moral obligation to ensure that you remain healthy while in prison. If you die because of medical neglect by the state while under their care, they are responsible for your death and they should be held accountable.

About empathy. Dont everyone have more empathy to a victim than a perpetrator?

Empathy is not a zero sum game. You can have empathy for both the victims and the criminal. If you think that you can only have empathy for one group of people while not for another group, it shows that you have a very black and white mindset.

To be continued in Part II

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