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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30648 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
On our original topic http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-chimpanzee-violence-20140916-story.html Monkey see, monkey kill: The evolutionary roots of lethal combat |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
The authors noted, among other findings, that the most chimp-on-chimp violence occurred at a site that was relatively undisturbed by humans -- Uganda's Kibale National Park -- while little to no violence occurred at a site in Guinea that was most heavily impacted by humans Yes Clyde. Its probably humans that makes chimpanzees violent. http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2012/04/19/why-chimpanzees-kill/ Chimpanzees are mostly peaceable creatures, spending much of their time foraging for food and grooming each other. But occasionally they kill their own kind. Why they engage in these lethal bouts of aggression has been uncertain. One theory holds that killing is an evolved strategy for reducing competition for resources; another posits that human disturbance—including hunting and deforestation—has triggered the behavior. Gary. read Jane Goodalls papers about chimpanzees. She has dedicated her life studying chimpanzee behaviour. must be 50 years now. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Goodall Documentary on the Indonesian rainforest, deforestation and orangutang extinction. It is a without narration which addresses itself both to the Indonesians and the consumers of wood/paper/palm oil. GREEN (Palm Oil Deforestation) - Documentary by Patrick Rouxel Evil human behaviour!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRPmqNPHALs |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Julie we have a lot of farmers that commit suicide here when things are not going to well . No offence meant, but there seems to be a lot of tragedies in America |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30648 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Gary. read Jane Goodalls papers about chimpanzees. If you read the paper http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v513/n7518/full/nature13727.html that the newspaper article was based on and quoted, reference 1 is Jane Goodall. Nature is a well respected journal and heavily peer reviewed. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30648 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
No offence meant, but there seems to be a lot of tragedies in America As we keep saying the USA has a crazy control problem. Stark raving lunatics can not be institutionalized until they kill. The stark raving lunatics have their rights and they trump normal people's rights to be free of ticking time bombs wandering around in society. P.S. Don't forget to post that to the GUN thread. |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
The problem with that type of thinking Gary is that even a normally sane person will kill if he /she is pushed in the right way and having guns that are easely got is the problem not the so called nutters .... Hence my post about the tragedy in my country farmer kills 2 daughters and his wife then kills himself ... However unlike your country not everybody can have a gun here , but in the states you can buy them every where .Farmers can ,to kill vermin and protect there crops but people in the city's have to belong to a rifle club , have police checks and then can only buy bolt action not military automatic's and hand guns are even harder to get here . You will never stop someone from killing others but you can make it dam hard to do so , guns are just too easy ! |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
No offence meant, but there seems to be a lot of tragedies in America The States should have a better social program, helping people who need help, both financially and mentally, otoh, it's a big ass country with a large population and I think Obama is trying his best, he's better than Bush, that's a fact. rOZZ Music Pictures |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
The problem with that type of thinking Gary is that even a normally sane person will kill if he /she is pushed in the right way and having guns that are easely got is the problem not the so called nutters .... That statement shows just what your country thinks of life in dismissing the murders of 11 children so easily. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
The problem with that type of thinking Gary is that even a normally sane person will kill if he /she is pushed in the right way and having guns that are easely got is the problem not the so called nutters .... Who are we? Who are you? Confusing:) |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Ok. Whatever you say. Really? How else are we to think of those murders? Attacking defenceless children... ...yes, lovely brave new world! |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
That statement shows just what your country thinks of life in dismissing the murders of 11 children so easily. what 11 children i did not meantion 11 kids the farmer killed his 2 girls and 1 wife then himself ! edit: ok your talking to Clyde and the 11 kids killed in the States ok got it yes you are right Sirius. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
That statement shows just what your country thinks of life in dismissing the murders of 11 children so easily. It's so sad:( |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Clyde you will find most country's outside of the U.S.A think having the write to bare arms in the constitution is wrong as it should all ways be a "assumed" wright . At the very least you need to get rid of the military assault rifles and automatic's . But i guess you will never learn and keep listening to idiot's and there B/S reasons why you need it . Now the people that promote this you could say are EVIL as the whole idea is Evil the wright to kill is what you have done and that is Evil . |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Clyde i don't wish to argue about the right to bare arms . All i will say is that history has proven that sort of arguments like what you use are total crap . It is a "assumed wright " any gov that thinks taking the weapons away from people will make it easy'er for them to supress a people is forgetting about all the revolutions that have been .You only have to look at the wars we have had in the last couple of decades . Just because the people have guns will not stop a dictator from coming to power . A bad man will throw out the constitution any way so having it there is a total waste of time , unless you have a vested interest in making the guns in the first place , profit ! is the main reason it is pushed by the gun lobby and you just lap it up B/S and all . And there is the proof . A dictator will not care about the right to bare arms . And the people will make there own arms very quickly even if a gov takes them away if they wish to overthrow them . So the whole argument you use is total B/S The king of England had better arms and a real army but that did not stop Cromwell from over taking the King . The King of France wasn't able to stop the people from cutting his head off either . Stop lisening to the gun lobby . Just look at history . |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Clyde i don't wish to argue about the right to bare arms . Never mind that his sweeping generalisations about Europe and the US seems to have completely ignored the genocide against the native americans, or the deaths caused by the slave trade. It must be nice to live in Clyde's bubble. Reality Internet Personality |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Clyde you will find most country's outside of the U.S.A think having the write to bare arms in the constitution is wrong as it should all ways be a "assumed" wright . At the very least you need to get rid of the military assault rifles and automatic's . Anders Behring Breivik born 13 February 1979) is the perpetrator of the 2011 Norway attacks. On 22 July 2011, he bombed government buildings in Oslo, killing eight people. He then killed 69 more people, mostly teenagers, in a mass shooting at a Workers' Youth League (AUF) camp on the island of Utøya. In August 2012 he was convicted of mass murder, causing a fatal explosion, and terrorism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik One man killing 77 persons in one day in Norway Europe!!! World record perhaps:( |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
well Jan he beat our bloke The Port Arthur massacre, of 28–29 April 1996, was a killing spree in which 35 people were killed and 23 wounded, mainly at the historic Port Arthur prison colony,[1] a popular tourist site in south-eastern Tasmania, Australia. |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
It was after that case that we here in Australia brought in gun control . No automatic rifles , no military assult rifles , hand guns only if you have a clean record and have a A-1 security licence or belong to the police . Must have a legit reason to have a gun , Farmers or you are part of a gun club and shooting is your sport , or you are a licence'd hunter . You can only have a rifle if it is a bolt action only and meet the above criteria. If you have any kind of mental problem or have had a mental problem you won't be allowed to hold a gun licence and all people whom have a gun must be licenced Any conviction even minor eg braking a court order to stay away from some one , you wont ever be allowed to hold a gun . Of cores you could not have this in America even thou there leaders wished to introduce the same over there . At no time has anybody suggested that all guns be banned . Only the poeple that have a vested interest in making them come out with that B/S Would the American civil war have happened if they did not have the right to bare arms ? No dictators no bad gov . only a change to outlaw slavery which had all ready been done for 100 yrs in Europe and it took a war and the deaths of millions , how bloody stupid and makes a mokery of the argument's that people that promote it use. So will it take another war and the deaths of million again to give most people protection from nutter before America GROW up , again ? |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
It was after that case that we here in Australia brought in gun control . Its not about access to guns. Every country has 'access' to guns. especially northern countries as Scandinavia, Russia and Canada. Why US behaves do like they do? Who knows? It's seven o'clock here. A bit foggy and early birds are 'singing' Lots of crows which make me think of Hitchcock. And Second Amendment to the United States Constitution. We all like the First Amendment. The second? What the F''K. |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Jan do you have gun control in your country of any sort ? |
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