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janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
I have to disagree since only humans and maybe some chimpanzees are evil. No I cant find any links so maybe I am wrong... I did not know that some dolphins were evil and are getting away with murder.. But they're also intelligent. Dolphins are also related to elephants. Give elephants some alcohol and watch whats happens... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wR8FL_2gwI Cats also tend to 'play' with mice just for fun. Quoting Clyde They just do it more intelligently, and are therefore more dangerous. Is a virus evil? Dont think so but they act very evil! |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
I have to disagree since only humans and maybe some chimpanzees are evil. Don't forget Zebras. If the dominant male in a herd dies his replacement will murder any of his surviving foals. There are plenty of examples of nasty behaviour in nature. Reality Internet Personality |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
I have to disagree since only humans and maybe some chimpanzees are evil. Some plants are perhaps evil as well. |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
I have to disagree since only humans and maybe some chimpanzees are evil. Only in the movies:) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/gardening/gardeningpicturegalleries/9954137/Top-10-evil-plants-from-films.html Although some people at Cambridge University claim they are... http://cstein.kings.cam.ac.uk/ddm/plants/intro.html rOZZ Music Pictures |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
- Chimpanzees Take Us Beyond Good And Evil - Reading the article and Hannibal Lector comes to mind. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Although some people at Cambridge University claim they are... Cambridge University has a sense of humour. Like that. Nature tells us to destroy plants: Many animals have devoted their lives to the destruction of plants, most of them have in fact evolved in such a way that their main nutrition today consists of plants. Ruminantia is the term for digest food in two steps, chewing and swallowing in the normal way to begin with, and then regurgitating the semi-digested cud to re-chew it and thus extract the maximum possible food value. Plants produce a lot of Methan and also Oxygen which is deadly in high ratios. |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
Although some people at Cambridge University claim they are... I like their humor:) rOZZ Music Pictures |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Don't forget Zebras. If the dominant male in a herd dies his replacement will murder any of his surviving foals. There are plenty of examples of nasty behaviour in nature. The thing is, that is not evil. Zebras lack the capacity to understand such artificial constructs like good or evil. They just do. Janne is right that only intelligent species can be 'evil'. But its not the intelligence that causes evil, its intelligence that allows us to construct evil. Its our intelligence that allows us to classify sets of behavior as either good or evil, but its not like that behavior wouldn't exist if we hadn't dubbed it good or evil. In general I think you will find that those who truly commit evil are actually not the smartest of our species. More like the dumbest. Its noted by a number of studies that the lower your IQ, the more likely you are to be a racist. It makes sense because in order not to be a racist, you need the capacity to put yourself in someone elses shoes. Less intelligent people have a greater difficulty doing that. And it should therefor come as no surprise that all movements that we generally classify as evil are nearly always decisively 'anti intellectual'. Fascism, Communism, Jihadism, each of these movements is more likely to burn a book than it is to read one. Each of these movements tends to value brute strength over intelligence. Each of these movements targets intellectuals when they set of a purge in their area. This of course, does not mean that all of these movements are completely devoid of intelligent people. But they tend to be more of the exception rather than the rule. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Don't forget Zebras. If the dominant male in a herd dies his replacement will murder any of his surviving foals. There are plenty of examples of nasty behaviour in nature. I have to disagree. A smart guy (yes not woman) often get away with the crime they done because of sociopath behavior. IQ and evilness are not correlated but very genus related. Stalin, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Mao, Pinochet and Hitler where 'smart'. There social skills was perfect according to our social standard. You also suggest that low IQ means low empathy. That is not true. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
And it should therefor come as no surprise that all movements that we generally classify as evil are nearly always decisively 'anti intellectual'. Fascism, Communism, Jihadism, each of these movements is more likely to burn a book than it is to read one. Each of these movements tends to value brute strength over intelligence. Each of these movements targets intellectuals when they set of a purge in their area. This of course, does not mean that all of these movements are completely devoid of intelligent people. But they tend to be more of the exception rather than the rule. Do you even know what Marxism is? or did you just hear on Fox News that it is a bad thing? Reality Internet Personality |
Hev Send message Joined: 4 Jun 05 Posts: 1118 Credit: 598,303 RAC: 0 |
As a marxist, that's me damned |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Sirius i think the reason me and you have not killed 1 or both of our parents is we have a conscience all tho we have both been abused and maybe this has made us more able to empathize with other . Good to here you finally learnt to be assertive as it's called . Now you have some idea what i have had to go through as i made the decision like you have but i made it 14 yrs ago . As i said to someone in my family "i have forgiven him that's why he still lives" if i had not forgiven him i would be in jail for murder but it does not mean i wish to have anything to do with him . I remember thinking i will not let him win , if i do him in then i will spend the rest of my life in jail and that would mean he win's maybe that's the difference i haven't given up life yet and i empathize to much with others |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Thanks Glenn. What made matters really bad for myself is that for 30 years I kept blaming myself. However, every time that I focused on the issues, I could not recall anything I did to deserve such abuse. I have found that the more you empathise with people like that, the more they "push your buttons". There were a lot of issues with the family back in the early days which I still have not found the cause of, but one always worried me. My mother never knew what I was up to while on duty(Army, Trains or Royal Mail), but my social life she was aware of. Every move I ever made was noted down in poison pen letters for many a year. I found that scary because they were precise & factual. To see it continue for years, even after her death is... There was even one more recently months after I walked away. In communication with a lovely woman whose advice was most welcome, I sent her a link to a photo I put on Photobucket. Within hours of uploading it, I was politely but sternly asked to take it down. The one incident that will always be with me was the rape of my girlfriend. When my mother found out what she said was despicable coming from a woman. "That Jewish whore wasn't the one for you" That made me wonder as to why she had 8 children! Es99 said "It's more common than we realise" That is even scarier. |
Terror Australis Send message Joined: 14 Feb 04 Posts: 1817 Credit: 262,693,308 RAC: 44 |
The Progressive/Marxist Left, when they take over country's: Always resort to brute strength..... Isn't it the same with any totalitarian regime be it Left, Right or Centre ? They all tend to take out anyone that has the possibility of becoming a focus for opposition. It's a fact of practical politics, not which side of the room they nominally sit. T.A. |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
And it should therefor come as no surprise that all movements that we generally classify as evil are nearly always decisively 'anti intellectual'. Fascism, Communism, Jihadism, each of these movements is more likely to burn a book than it is to read one. Each of these movements tends to value brute strength over intelligence. Each of these movements targets intellectuals when they set of a purge in their area. This of course, does not mean that all of these movements are completely devoid of intelligent people. But they tend to be more of the exception rather than the rule. A bad thing? There is no single definitive Marxist theory; Marxist analysis has been applied to diverse subjects and has been misconceived and modified during the course of its development, resulting in numerous and sometimes contradictory theories that fall under the rubric of Marxism or Marxian analysis. rOZZ Music Pictures |
Jim Martin Send message Joined: 21 Jun 03 Posts: 2473 Credit: 646,848 RAC: 0 |
When people try to impose their will on others, that is "evil" -- whether it is on a personal inter-relationship level, or governmental level. This is my own opinion, certainly. Some people, from what I've read, like living under authoritarian rule. Well, different strokes, for different folks. The trick is to contain their spheres of influence -- they always seem to want to expand and be a dominant influence. A challenge presents itself, if their members have a significantly higher birth-rate, than others. A main way, is through a raised standard of living, including education. Today, the timing for that, is lacking; automation is crimping the middle- classes of the world, and it is with a solid middle-class that democracy can thrive (again, my opinion/prejudice). |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
When people try to impose their will on others, that is "evil" -- whether it is on a personal inter-relationship level, or governmental level. This is my own opinion, certainly. +1 Very good definition of 'evil'. Better than Oxford Dictionaries 'Profoundly immoral and wicked' |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Couldn't disagree more. Why are they stupid? Being a Marxist is not the same as being a Stalinist or a proponent of Juche or any other mass murdering regime. The worst you can accuse those people off is naivety and idealism. And that doesn't change the fact that the actual regimes we are talking about do attack intellectuals. Brute Strength is Non-Intellectual? Yes. Its the reliance on strength over wits and intelligence. If something is a problem, you smash it, rather than understand the problem and solve it. That is the brute strength mentality. The Progressive/Marxist Left, when they take over country's: Always resort to brute strength. The Marxist Takeover of Russia, by Intellectuals, was extremely brutal before Stalin. Fidel Castro, University Graduate (Dr. of Law Degree) was/is extremely brutal. Mao Zedong, a University Graduate was... Those places were anything but progressive or Marxist. And the fact that they use brute strength just shows you how little they valued wits and intelligence. Even their ideology says it all, its borderline worship of 'the worker' and in those time 'the worker' was not a highly educated intellectual. Do you honestly think that a ideology that values intelligence and education over strength would ever praise the blue collar worker as the best a human can aspire to? That such an ideology would deride the middle class (the ones that are educated) as lazy and parasitic? |
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