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Message 1559396 - Posted: 20 Aug 2014, 13:02:31 UTC - in response to Message 1559393.  

I won't spoil it for you, but what is interesting is seeing intelligent people opening their mouths when they should have kept them closed.

Watching that film took me back 38 years. I was a close friend to a fellow colleague on the trains whose family was adorable. One of his children was a dwarf & the comments she used to receive were very derogatory.

One particular weekend his family & I were out for the day (being 1976, we did that a lot whenever we got weekends off), being a hot day, the children couldn't keep up so they carried their youngest leaving Anthea to struggle.

I did what I used to do for my own sisters, lifted her up & she sat on my shoulders as her parents were fast walkers as was I.

The comments received, had her family not been there, believe me, they wouldn't say them again.

As for the type of comments, Anthea was 14 & had started to blossom.

Sometimes, it pays for humans to keep their lips zipped!
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Message 1559402 - Posted: 20 Aug 2014, 13:24:11 UTC

Sometimes, it pays for humans to keep their lips zipped!


That's so odd you mention this now Sirius:) I just posted a statement of Einstein on facebook that says just the opposite. Will watch the video tonight for sure because I can't comment on it right now.


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Message 1559404 - Posted: 20 Aug 2014, 13:28:23 UTC - in response to Message 1559402.  

LOL! Just confirms that there's a time & a place for everything.

It reminds me of something seen many years ago & I believe I posted it, where I cannot recall.

A Time...

A time for birth & a time for death
A time for love & a time for hate
A time for talk & a time for silence
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Message 1559423 - Posted: 20 Aug 2014, 14:26:34 UTC

Cops detain 15-year-old teenager for allegedly raping mother.
http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/08/20/Crime-Son-rapes-mother/
Evil or what mental disorder is this?
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Message 1559473 - Posted: 20 Aug 2014, 16:49:26 UTC - in response to Message 1559423.  

Cops detain 15-year-old teenager for allegedly raping mother.
http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/08/20/Crime-Son-rapes-mother/
Evil or what mental disorder is this?


Just some horny teenager is what I think...
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Message 1559475 - Posted: 20 Aug 2014, 16:53:21 UTC - in response to Message 1559473.  

Cops detain 15-year-old teenager for allegedly raping mother.
http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/08/20/Crime-Son-rapes-mother/
Evil or what mental disorder is this?


Just some horny teenager is what I think...

Julie, most teenagers are horny. I've never heard of one raping their own mother because of it.
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Message 1559479 - Posted: 20 Aug 2014, 16:58:29 UTC - in response to Message 1559391.  

I happen to believe that it's more a case of 'nuture' rather than 'nature'.


Do you mean nurture Mark? I really don't believe that. I know some good people who had a lousy mother... I also don't think it has something to do with society's indoctrination rather the perception of it by the individual...


Just come across a report that highlights your comment...

I am not different, just human like you



BBC link again Sirius:( Will look at it at home tonight.


Sorry, try this one instead...

Don't look down on me



just terrible how judgemental people can be and how that can wreck someone. I always tell my kids, you should be happy the way God made you and to nevermind what other people think. They will think things about you, no matter what you do. Easier said than done, I know, especially with kids, they're so impressionable...
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Message 1559482 - Posted: 20 Aug 2014, 17:02:41 UTC - in response to Message 1559475.  
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Cops detain 15-year-old teenager for allegedly raping mother.
http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/08/20/Crime-Son-rapes-mother/
Evil or what mental disorder is this?


Just some horny teenager is what I think...

Julie, most teenagers are horny. I've never heard of one raping their own mother because of it.



I know Esmé but the mother was intoxicated and went to lie there herself. Like I said in my last post, kids are very impressionable. You never know what the mother might have done in her drunk sleep... Boys at the age of 15 are very easily aroused and don't stop and think at that moment that it is wrong what they do.

The title of the article says 'allegedly' so they don't even know for sure that he did it.
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Message 1559487 - Posted: 20 Aug 2014, 17:07:09 UTC - in response to Message 1559483.  

Cops detain 15-year-old teenager for allegedly raping mother.
http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/08/20/Crime-Son-rapes-mother/
Evil or what mental disorder is this?


Just some horny teenager is what I think...

Julie, most teenagers are horny. I've never heard of one raping their own mother because of it.

Dealt with some of the worst of human nature. Murdering baby's, raping very elderly women, etc.

Never had this.


I think if there's someone to blame here, it should be the mother. She had no business in her son's bed, drunk, at 2am.
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Message 1559503 - Posted: 20 Aug 2014, 17:17:26 UTC - in response to Message 1559482.  

Cops detain 15-year-old teenager for allegedly raping mother.
http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/08/20/Crime-Son-rapes-mother/
Evil or what mental disorder is this?


Just some horny teenager is what I think...

Julie, most teenagers are horny. I've never heard of one raping their own mother because of it.



I know Esmé but the mother was intoxicated and went to lie there herself. Like I said in my last post, kids are very impressionable. You never know what the mother might have done in her drunk sleep... Boys at the age of 15 are very easily aroused and don't stop and think at that moment that it is wrong what they do.

The title of the article says 'allegedly' so they don't even know for sure that he did it.

That sounds too close to the argument that women who get drunk are asking to be raped. I don't buy it.

Most teenagers would be repelled at the thought of having anything sexual to do with any parent. There is something wrong with this boy. Whether that is the mother's fault (isn't it always? don't you get tired of that one?)or not that there is something wrong with him is another issue. Falling asleep drunk in the wrong bed is not permission to rape.
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Message 1559505 - Posted: 20 Aug 2014, 17:18:15 UTC - in response to Message 1559490.  

Cops detain 15-year-old teenager for allegedly raping mother.
http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/08/20/Crime-Son-rapes-mother/
Evil or what mental disorder is this?


Just some horny teenager is what I think...

Julie, most teenagers are horny. I've never heard of one raping their own mother because of it.

Dealt with some of the worst of human nature. Murdering baby's, raping very elderly women, etc.

Never had this.


I think if there's someone to blame here, it should be the mother. She had no business in her son's bed, drunk, at 2am.

Ask the men discussing this.

So what if the mother is in bed with her son, drunk.

The son has ALL the responsibility for this.



I don't agree, not at the age of 15, he's still a kid! Especially boys are not mature at that age! Why do they write allegedly, maybe because they don't believe her 100%?
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Message 1559506 - Posted: 20 Aug 2014, 17:18:16 UTC - in response to Message 1559490.  

Cops detain 15-year-old teenager for allegedly raping mother.
http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/08/20/Crime-Son-rapes-mother/
Evil or what mental disorder is this?


Just some horny teenager is what I think...

Julie, most teenagers are horny. I've never heard of one raping their own mother because of it.

Dealt with some of the worst of human nature. Murdering baby's, raping very elderly women, etc.

Never had this.


I think if there's someone to blame here, it should be the mother. She had no business in her son's bed, drunk, at 2am.

Ask the men discussing this.

So what if the mother is in bed with her son, drunk.

The son has ALL the responsibility for this.

Good grief, its a sign of the end times. We agree on something.
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Message 1559515 - Posted: 20 Aug 2014, 17:33:20 UTC - in response to Message 1559512.  

Cops detain 15-year-old teenager for allegedly raping mother.
http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/08/20/Crime-Son-rapes-mother/
Evil or what mental disorder is this?


Just some horny teenager is what I think...

Julie, most teenagers are horny. I've never heard of one raping their own mother because of it.

Dealt with some of the worst of human nature. Murdering baby's, raping very elderly women, etc.

Never had this.


I think if there's someone to blame here, it should be the mother. She had no business in her son's bed, drunk, at 2am.

Ask the men discussing this.

So what if the mother is in bed with her son, drunk.

The son has ALL the responsibility for this.



I don't agree, not at the age of 15, he's still a kid! Especially boys are not mature at that age! Why do they write allegedly, maybe because they don't believe her 100%?

Regarding a 15 year old son have sex with his mother...

Read the responses from the males. Who were all 15 years old.



I beginning to doubt if you've become a feminist Clyde;) My gut feeling says the mother either isn't telling the truth or was fidgeting her son during her sleep, after which he became aroused and couldn't stop anymore, quite comprehensible, being a man...
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Message 1559521 - Posted: 20 Aug 2014, 17:44:19 UTC - in response to Message 1559515.  


I beginning to doubt if you've become a feminist Clyde;) My gut feeling says the mother either isn't telling the truth or was fidgeting her son during her sleep, after which he became aroused and couldn't stop anymore, quite comprehensible, being a man...

Please don't believe that myth, Julie, men can stop.

They are not animals.
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Message 1559526 - Posted: 20 Aug 2014, 17:52:38 UTC - in response to Message 1559521.  


I beginning to doubt if you've become a feminist Clyde;) My gut feeling says the mother either isn't telling the truth or was fidgeting her son during her sleep, after which he became aroused and couldn't stop anymore, quite comprehensible, being a man...

Please don't believe that myth, Julie, men can stop.

They are not animals.


I know that Esmé:) Of course I know that. I just have my opinion on this story:)
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Message 1559532 - Posted: 20 Aug 2014, 18:05:09 UTC - in response to Message 1559505.  

Cops detain 15-year-old teenager for allegedly raping mother.
http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/08/20/Crime-Son-rapes-mother/
Evil or what mental disorder is this?


Just some horny teenager is what I think...

Julie, most teenagers are horny. I've never heard of one raping their own mother because of it.

Dealt with some of the worst of human nature. Murdering baby's, raping very elderly women, etc.

Never had this.


I think if there's someone to blame here, it should be the mother. She had no business in her son's bed, drunk, at 2am.

Ask the men discussing this.


So what if the mother is in bed with her son, drunk.

The son has ALL the responsibility for this.



I don't agree, not at the age of 15, he's still a kid! Especially boys are not mature at that age! Why do they write allegedly, maybe because they don't believe her 100%?


Sorry Julie have to vehemently disagree here. At 15 I was an Army Cadet & taught to fire .303 Lee Enfield rifles, also the same rifles bored for .22. Shown how to handle weapons safely as well as range safety.

12 months later, riding mopeds, followed by motorcycles 12 months after that. A further 12 months on, driving trains.
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Message 1559554 - Posted: 20 Aug 2014, 18:29:41 UTC - in response to Message 1559532.  
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Cops detain 15-year-old teenager for allegedly raping mother.
http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/08/20/Crime-Son-rapes-mother/
Evil or what mental disorder is this?


Just some horny teenager is what I think...

Julie, most teenagers are horny. I've never heard of one raping their own mother because of it.

Dealt with some of the worst of human nature. Murdering baby's, raping very elderly women, etc.

Never had this.


I think if there's someone to blame here, it should be the mother. She had no business in her son's bed, drunk, at 2am.

Ask the men discussing this.


So what if the mother is in bed with her son, drunk.

The son has ALL the responsibility for this.



I don't agree, not at the age of 15, he's still a kid! Especially boys are not mature at that age! Why do they write allegedly, maybe because they don't believe her 100%?


Sorry Julie have to vehemently disagree here. At 15 I was an Army Cadet & taught to fire .303 Lee Enfield rifles, also the same rifles bored for .22. Shown how to handle weapons safely as well as range safety.

12 months later, riding mopeds, followed by motorcycles 12 months after that. A further 12 months on, driving trains.



An adolescence like that must've really toughened you up Sirius but you're not young, times have changed A LOT. I see it everyday, with my oldest...
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Message 1559558 - Posted: 20 Aug 2014, 18:39:29 UTC - in response to Message 1559554.  
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Disagree, what happened to me I put down to growing pains. I still continued doing what I wanted to do.

Secondly when I started secondary at 11, girls back then reached puberty a lot later than what they do now. However by the time I entered the 3rd/4th years, Hubba Hubba Hubba & that was at 14!

To say that a 15 year old male does not know about sex & it's taboo's today is like asking me to believe in wizards & fairies!

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& I can't see what toughening up has to do with sex.
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Message 1559566 - Posted: 20 Aug 2014, 18:46:47 UTC

I'm surprised neither of you have used the word "incest"
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Message 1559567 - Posted: 20 Aug 2014, 18:47:01 UTC - in response to Message 1559558.  

Disagree, what happened to me I put down to growing pains. I still continued doing what I wanted to do.

Secondly when I started secondary at 11, girls back then reached puberty a lot later than what they do now. However by the time I entered the 3rd/4th years, Hubba Hubba Hubba & that was at 14!

To say that a 15 year old male does not know about sex & it's taboo's today is like asking me to believe in wizards & fairies!

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& I can't see what toughening up has to do with sex.


The overall morality changed in youngsters, I remember I was from the X generation, a lot different than your generation already. 20% of todays youth have great fear of the future, statistics have proven and no, this has nothing to do with sex, just proving a point that humans 'evolved' together with society, technology, social environment, factors who play a totally different role than 30 years ago.
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