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 Julie  Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 
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Clyde and Gary made a very interesting point in The Israel/Palestine thread that I decided we could as well have a thread on this subject. Are humans born evil? Something mind boggling if you ask me... rOZZ Music Pictures ID: 1556705 ·  |
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Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18
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Clyde and Gary made a very interesting point in The Israel/Palestine thread that I decided we could as well have a thread on this subject. Have fun Clyde:) rOZZ Music Pictures ID: 1556716 · |
Darth Beaver     Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 
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That's a hard 1 Julie eg a psychopath is a person that can't feel emotions the way a normal person does but it has been proven that this kind of person can grow up to be quiet normal if they have a loving mother that teaches them how to feel but in the absence of a good mother you end up with a very dangerous person so are people born evil or does society make people evil ? 
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Sirius B   Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 
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Some pretty good comments from both sides, but myself, this comment says it all for me... "We are neither. When we are born we can't even perceive such concept such as good and evil." ID: 1556740 · |
Gary Charpentier  Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30649 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 
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Some pretty good comments from both sides, but myself, this comment says it all for me... + 1 What is evil to one religion is SOP to another. Or perhaps; Evil is in the eye of the beholder. 
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I've met One Person not Naturally Evil or Cannot be Pushed Into Evil. And this Person is a Liar and Excuse Maker. However, Not for Evil Purposes. Evil can be seen Easily in The Very Young. Older learn to Hide/Mask 'it'. Got Devil? ' '  May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! 
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celttooth  Send message Joined: 21 Nov 99 Posts: 26503 Credit: 28,583,098 RAC: 0 
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People are born human. Evil is in fact a point of view......   
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Bob DeWoody  Send message Joined: 9 May 10 Posts: 3387 Credit: 4,182,900 RAC: 10
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According to psychologists people are born with a clean slate, neither evil nor good, and it is their environment that leads them one way or the other. But it is now known that there are certain genetic markers that show up much more frequently in people who have done what most would consider evil things but it is not a guarantee that a person with these markers will end up a mass murderer. I define evil as being able to kill for no reason with no remorse, as well as torture and rape without guilt. Less evil but potentially as bad are acts committed for personal gain at the expense of the safety and well being of others. Bob DeWoody My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events. ID: 1556818 · |
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Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18
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Found this on the internet: Amy Gaviglio, M.S., C.G.C.:I am a genetic counselor at the MN Department of Health. I work in the newborn screening program and am involved in education surrounding public health genetics and ethics. There have been many studies looking at whether certain genes or mutations lead to violence or "evilness." Currently, there is no evidence that there is "evil DNA." Violence and evilness are likely due largely to an individual's surroundings and environment. I really doubt that statement, I think proof will be found in time. People like Hitler and Osama Bin Laden and other villains can't all have had a bad mother?? Where does the evil come from then? There are quite a few 'evil' people who had a normal childhood, normal parents and were already 'evil' as a child! Like this young man here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/9968753/Studying-Adam-Lanza-is-evil-in-our-genes.html The article also states: there was a common genetic factor among mass murderers. This was stated by Steve Jones, Emeritus Professor of Genetics at University College London. I really believe some people are born with evil in them! I'm not talking about people with a bad mentality or character here... rOZZ Music Pictures ID: 1556830 · |
janneseti  Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 
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Clyde and Gary made a very interesting point in The Israel/Palestine thread that I decided we could as well have a thread on this subject. Mind boggling is an understatement. One thing for sure is that evilness is not genetical. I have seen interviews of some real evil people relatives. For instance Stalins daughter. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svetlana_Alliluyeva ID: 1556844 · |
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Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18
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Clyde and Gary made a very interesting point in The Israel/Palestine thread that I decided we could as well have a thread on this subject. Like Sirius said, maybe it is somehing beyond our imagination, something that comes from 'up above' and descends in one's body. I know, this is far fetched but how can we explain this otherwise? rOZZ Music Pictures ID: 1556849 · |
kittyman  Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004
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I happen to believe that it's more a case of 'nurture' rather than 'nature'. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster 
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janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0
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I really believe some people are born with evil in them! I'm not talking about people with a bad mentality or character here... But it is not because of bad genes. To much of randomness occurs. The good thing though is that bad genes disappear by time according to evolution theory. ID: 1556854 · |
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Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18
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I happen to believe that it's more a case of 'nuture' rather than 'nature'. Do you mean nurture Mark? I really don't believe that. I know some good people who had a lousy mother... I also don't think it has something to do with society's indoctrination rather the perception of it by the individual... rOZZ Music Pictures ID: 1556856 · |
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Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7
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Clyde and Gary made a very interesting point in The Israel/Palestine thread that I decided we could as well have a thread on this subject. Sorry Julie, I never said it, the credit belongs to the original poster of that comment. I just happen to agree with it. ID: 1556857 · |
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Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18
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I really believe some people are born with evil in them! I'm not talking about people with a bad mentality or character here... One wouldn't think that, looking at the destruction mankind is doing to itself and its surroundings? (that's a cliché, I know but it IS reality) rOZZ Music Pictures ID: 1556861 · |
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kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004
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I happen to believe that it's more a case of 'nuture' rather than 'nature'. Yes, spelling my bad. And I think that nurture also includes not just parental influences but also societal ones. Peer pressure and 'falling in with a bad crowd' has led many otherwise good people into taking paths of 'evil' choices. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster
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Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18
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I happen to believe that it's more a case of 'nuture' rather than 'nature'. But how can it be then that for example two brothers, who had the same influences from outside, can have such a different personality? The best example is the story from Cain and Abel, figurative characters, as we all know but it happens in reality as well. rOZZ Music Pictures ID: 1556869 · |
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Bob DeWoody Send message Joined: 9 May 10 Posts: 3387 Credit: 4,182,900 RAC: 10
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There was an episode of Morgan Freeman's Through the Wormhole titled "Can we eliminate evil" which dealt with this subject. The episodes are available online and I recommend watching this one. As I recall there was one genetic scientist involved in finding genetic markers common to serial killers and the like and he discovered that he also had that gene. So I think it is a combination of genetic tendencies and environment. Bob DeWoody My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events. ID: 1556874 · |
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Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3
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Thanks julie interesting read i did watch a doco about the Doctor mention'd in that article about psychopath and in it he said a similar effect can all so happen if you have a brain injury to the frontal lobe as you see in a psychopath Then there is the star sign thing what do Hitler , Mussolini , Saddam all have in common there are other evil ppl through out time that also share the same thing as these ppl The queen of England also shares this thing and we all know how she treated Diana The only 1 i know off that does not is Napoleon Bonaparte but he all so shears a part of what i'm talking about They are born on the cusp of Aries & Torus and Napoleon Bonaparte was born on the cusp of Leo & Virgo Is there something in star signs ???
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