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anniet Send message Joined: 2 Feb 14 Posts: 7105 Credit: 1,577,368 RAC: 75 |
Angela... I think you are totally WRONG.... ..... .... to expect to find anyone here who would disagree with what you said to the arm flapper hand channeling fruitcake. Or anyone who could disagree at all with any of your wise words on the subject since. Are you happy now? :) heh heh heh heh :) I posted awhile ago in the cafe about my friend who was diagnosed with colon cancer earlier this year and my alarm at what came crawling out of the woodwork stuffing her distraught head with "cures" that could even have landed her in trouble with the law, but which I genuinely believe were only going to cure her of having a life left to live to see her little girl grow up. She saw sense in the end and is doing really well :) I do remember many years ago though, one such herbalist health curer who made a small fortune preying on people (like my mum for instance, who was more a hypochondriac fortunately (bless her :)) than terminally ill or indeed ill at all at the time - otherwise she might not have got much older). This lady was utterly convinced she had the alternative cure for everything and treated herself too - including when she was bitten on the hand by a black widow spider. She ended up in intensive care for six weeks and had to have her whole arm amputated. She also announced that she'd "cured herself of breast cancer" then died from it six weeks afterwards. |
Angela Send message Joined: 16 Oct 07 Posts: 13130 Credit: 39,854,104 RAC: 31 |
Anniet, I am so sorry to hear of the loss of your friend to breast cancer. I am happy to hear that your friend with colon cancer is doing really well with conventional medical intervention. Alternative medicine enthusiasts can be the kindest, sweetest, most well-meaning of people, all while being a danger to themselves and to others. |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
to expect to find anyone here who would disagree with what you said Yep, A Most Magnificent Job of Explaining Pro - Con and Everything in-between and outside. Dats da Problem. One who ThoughtSplains Every Concievable Angle, is Bound to Be Self-Righteous, to The Point of Useless Anger. As Everyone Sees 'it' as Highly Commendable, I See 'it' as Disturbing. 'Specially when High-Powered Policy Makers Do The Same. No Need To Cite Current Examples In Our Country. heeeheeeheee. Fabulous Mind On Display here. OP and Others, Not Me. Right or Righteous? Both Arm Flapper and SuperMindChick are Scary. And Dangerous Both. ' ' May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
Angela Send message Joined: 16 Oct 07 Posts: 13130 Credit: 39,854,104 RAC: 31 |
Both Arm Flapper and SuperMindChick are Scary. And Dangerous Both. Fair troll, you doth but flatter me! |
anniet Send message Joined: 2 Feb 14 Posts: 7105 Credit: 1,577,368 RAC: 75 |
Okay - finally caught up with the whole thread and all very interesting :) I was WAY behind. Kinda like the hairdo of that lion:)) Me too Julie... :) Comes a close second to the one you had on holiday I think :) (Isn't it a wondrous thing - a thread wander :)) I am 42 years old and as I've got older I've had to learn to stop telling people what I think rather than the opposite. ;) :)))))))) When staying alive only brings pain then Goverments should allow that person to die by the least amount of pain. +1 from me James, definitely The Only Time Understanding is Possible - with Animals I understand that... a lot... Oh and thanks for the... intriguing links... :) |
Angela Send message Joined: 16 Oct 07 Posts: 13130 Credit: 39,854,104 RAC: 31 |
Put 'em to the test! That is how you draw the line. I think acupuncture has been examined scientifically, in terms of alleviation of chronic lower back pain. Some insurance companies now cover acupuncture for some limited conditions, and I suspect that is because some well designed studies demonstrated that it had some degree of efficacy for some conditions. While clearly the mysterious "chi" that acupuncturists claim they manipulate cannot be measured, quantified, or even observed, patient self-report of pain levels can be reliably measured. The perception of pain is a tricky and most interesting thing. If somebody really believes something works for pain alleviation, the mind is capable of registering less pain. If the mind registers less pain, people use fewer pain medications. I think that biofeedback has been studied in terms of its efficacy for pain control as well. This may also be why so many people love their chiropractors. Pain is weird that way... Double blind studies are a good way to figure out the medicinal value of herbs. A few years ago news was made in this country when a reputable research firm scientifically tested the efficacy of a variety of herbs commonly used for medicinal purposes. Imagine, if you will, my mother-in-law's dismay when Eric sent her a copy of the study that showed that her beloved echinacea really didn't ward off colds!!! I'm certainly not against testing plants for possible medicinal qualities. Digitalis, for example, is derived from foxglove plants. Marijuana, I believe, has been scientifically shown to be medicinal for treating glaucoma and for alleviating nausea brought on by chemotherapy. It is medical research that has led to limited legalization of pot in some states in the USA. Homeopathy seems utterly ridiculous to me, but it certainly would not be difficult to design double-blind studies to test its efficacy. If there is widespread anecdotal report about the value of a technique or the value of a product, rigorous scientific testing should follow. If government agencies do not fund testing, skeptical societies should, and often do. I am not wedded to one unchanging belief about any particular technique or any particular product. Naturally I approach non-standard techniques and products with an initial healthy dose of skepticism, but I am certainly not above changing my position if scientific consensus indicates that my original assumption was an incorrect one. |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34041 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
Anniet, I am so sorry to hear of the loss of your friend to breast cancer. I am happy to hear that your friend with colon cancer is doing really well with conventional medical intervention. +2 rOZZ Music Pictures |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
and even if a marijuana doesn't cure your arthritis or anxiety it sure does make you feel better, which is the ultimate goal When I Was Extremely Young, My Body Was Rock and I Felt No Pain, Ever. When SlickWillie would Pass Me A Doob, sometimes I relented, I Inhaled, and I could Feel Aches and Pains I did not know existed. So, As An Old HuWoMan, I Think, Now, who knows, Worse or Spring Chicken Like? Frakk 'it', I'll Flap My Arms, Wiggle My Butt and Do The Dolphin. Got 'erb? ' ' May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
anniet Send message Joined: 2 Feb 14 Posts: 7105 Credit: 1,577,368 RAC: 75 |
I wonder if the pills you buy are more effective if the cashier is cheerful, as opposed to a cashier who is rude? :) or :( ... :) Could make a difference I suppose. Over the counter medicines are also subject to the "brand name effect". Package exactly the same tablets (say the painkiller nurofen or the antihistimine piriteze) under an own-brand pharmacy label and some people will claim they "didn't work at all" ... "didn't work as well" ... "or didn't work as fast". I'll Flap My Arms, Wiggle My Butt and Do The Dolphin. :) a video-clip would be nice :) |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24875 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34041 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
I'll Flap My Arms, Wiggle My Butt and Do The Dolphin. +1... I think...;) Talking about marijuana. I know a lot of marijuana users who are also self-healers. They never visit a doctor and never take meds. In case of e.g. cancer or arthritis it's not a cure but it takes away a lot of pain. I'm pro although I don't smoke it myself anymore. rOZZ Music Pictures |
Terror Australis Send message Joined: 14 Feb 04 Posts: 1817 Credit: 262,693,308 RAC: 44 |
If nothing else, I reckon Angela should copyright the thread title :D T.A. |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
If nothing else, I reckon Angela should copyright the thread title :D Wasn't that an early sixties rock album title??? "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
Robert Waite Send message Joined: 23 Oct 07 Posts: 2417 Credit: 18,192,122 RAC: 59 |
Was it in his book A Pale Blue Dot that Sagan bemoaned the growth of pseudoscience due to the way it deflected people from real scientific inquiry? I do not fight fascists because I think I can win. I fight them because they are fascists. Chris Hedges A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr. |
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