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Message 1589179 - Posted: 20 Oct 2014, 6:02:41 UTC - in response to Message 1589063.  

updates.

Military Prepares 30-Person Ebola Team For U.S.

"They will not be sent to West Africa or elsewhere overseas and will be called upon domestically only if deemed prudent by our public health professionals"
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Here’s How Suspected Ebola Patients Can Be Restricted

The U.S. military is forming a 30-person medical team to prepare to respond to additional cases of Ebola in the United States, the Pentagon announced Sunday.

http://time.com/3522555/military-team-ebola-united-states-texas/
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Message 1589181 - Posted: 20 Oct 2014, 6:05:25 UTC - in response to Message 1589179.  

Sick nurse's dog to be tested for Ebola

DALLAS — When a Dallas nurse was diagnosed with Ebola after contracting it from a patient in her care, her dog was placed in quarantine.

Now Nina Pham's King Charles spaniel named Bentley will be tested for any sign of the Ebola virus.

"At this time, this specimen collection process is only expected to happen three times within the remainder of the quarantine period," Dallas Animal Services said in a statement released Sunday. "This is the least invasive and safest way to conduct the testing process for Bentley."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/19/ebola-dog-dallas/17582101/

the dog in Spain wasn't given a test.
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Message 1589182 - Posted: 20 Oct 2014, 6:07:46 UTC - in response to Message 1589181.  

Ebola patient Amber Vinson's family disputes CDC story, gets a lawyer

Health officials gave Texas nurse Amber Vinson permission to fly to Ohio and back even though she voiced concern about Ebola, her relatives said Sunday, adding that they have retained a high-profile attorney.

Their statement contradicted a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention account of what took place before the nurse was diagnosed with the virus.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-amber-vinson-ebola-20141019-story.html

Lawyer, is going to do what??
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Message 1589186 - Posted: 20 Oct 2014, 6:16:28 UTC - in response to Message 1589182.  

There's 1 lawyer for every american in the USA. It was only a matter of time before 1 of them sought out the family. My guess, they will try to sue for Slander and mental anguish. Only one problem. You can't sue the federal government. Last time I check CDC was a Federal Agency. They probably want publicity and are looking for a book or Movie deal.
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Message 1589202 - Posted: 20 Oct 2014, 8:15:35 UTC - in response to Message 1589191.  
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There's 1 lawyer for every american in the USA. It was only a matter of time before 1 of them sought out the family. My guess, they will try to sue for Slander and mental anguish. Only one problem. You can't sue the federal government. Last time I check CDC was a Federal Agency. They probably want publicity and are looking for a book or Movie deal.


or maybe just clear her name?
People who want to put a negative spin on everything could save themselves
a lot of trouble by just looking in the mirror in the morning and have done with it.

Clear her name of what? She was a nurse who was in contact with Mr. Duncan. She now has the virus. I can't believe she was told it was OK to travel. This is why all future cases need to be handled by personnel who do not leave the facility until 21 days have past since anyone at the facility tested positive for the virus. Military personnel are the only people that can be ordered to stay on site and will obey the orders given them.

Apparently the young woman in question didn't understand just how deadly this virus is.
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Message 1589207 - Posted: 20 Oct 2014, 9:16:45 UTC - in response to Message 1589005.  

Some good news!

Ebola crisis: Spanish nurse tests negative for virus

The Spanish nurse who became the first person to contract Ebola outside West Africa has now tested negative for the virus, the Spanish government says,

The result suggests Teresa Romero, 44, is no longer infected - although a second test is required before she can be declared free of Ebola.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29683616



Senegal+Nigeria and also this nurse, sounds like some very good news!

Ms Romero has been treated at Carlos III hospital in Madrid, and was reportedly given a human serum containing antibodies from Ebola survivors


So they found a cure alright?
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Message 1589247 - Posted: 20 Oct 2014, 13:12:41 UTC

I haven't seen or heard anything in the media about the Army taking over care of ebola cases. I think it is a good idea if it is true.
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Message 1589252 - Posted: 20 Oct 2014, 13:47:31 UTC - in response to Message 1589186.  

There's 1 lawyer for every american in the USA. It was only a matter of time before 1 of them sought out the family. My guess, they will try to sue for Slander and mental anguish. Only one problem. You can't sue the federal government. Last time I check CDC was a Federal Agency. They probably want publicity and are looking for a book or Movie deal.

Yes you can. You can sue if its tort claim.
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Message 1589278 - Posted: 20 Oct 2014, 15:09:56 UTC - in response to Message 1589252.  
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Yes you can. You can sue if its tort claim.


Even if it was true, which I'm not sure it is in regards to the government. Texas has a tort reform law which would limit any amount won. (wouldn't even cover cost for bring it to the court, appeals court, circuit court, etc and lawyers fees) You would blow through that money within the few months. On the other hand.. A lifetime movie or OWN network movie has a bigger possibility of bring in $$.
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Message 1589285 - Posted: 20 Oct 2014, 15:21:49 UTC - in response to Message 1589260.  

If the Nurse is correct about HER Concerns. HER Repeatedly contacting The CDC, and The CDC Repeatedly Authorizing her travels: The above comment is why she retained a lawyer.


I don't doubt that she contacted them. The question is why did she listen to them? Every nurse and doctor knows you don't travel (for any reason) if you think you may be sick. That doesn't hold for the general population (just look around the airport next time you travel, how many are coughing, sneezing, 8 1/2 month Pregnant?) Care to guess how many time I've been on an overseas flight with a pregnant woman who starts to have contractions during the 8-12 flight? There are times when you just shouldn't travel. But most people ignore these and do it anyway.

Self responsibility has been replaced by placing the blame on someone else. She knew she was sick, she knew she took Tylenol to lower her fever before she called the CDC. She had a very good idea that she was sick, but she went anyway. That last part about the tylenol really tells me that she knew what she was doing.

But that doesn't mean I don't wish her well. I hope she does get better but it sounds like she was really sick before she sought treatment. Even with the experiment drugs she has a long tough road and I hope she manages to pull through it.
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Message 1589290 - Posted: 20 Oct 2014, 15:38:45 UTC - in response to Message 1589289.  

My guess, she was talking to a low level personnel who thought they were dealing with someone of the general public. ie, someone who didn't know that she really had been in contact with someone who had Ebola. They probably get hundreds of calls a day from people who think somehow they came into contact with it. She needed to be speaking with one of the ID docs, not just some answering the phone. :(
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Message 1589291 - Posted: 20 Oct 2014, 15:39:01 UTC - in response to Message 1589278.  

Even if it was true, which I'm not sure it is in regards to the government. Texas has a tort reform law which would limit any amount won. (wouldn't even cover cost for bring it to the court, appeals court, circuit court, etc and lawyers fees) You would blow through that money within the few months. On the other hand.. A lifetime movie or OWN network movie has a bigger possibility of bring in $$.

It applies to the Federal Government.

And wouldn't Texan law be inapplicable here because you are suing the US Federal Government, and not the state of Texas or another Texan citizen? So this would go through a federal court, not a Texan court.
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Message 1589296 - Posted: 20 Oct 2014, 15:48:13 UTC - in response to Message 1589291.  

I'll believe it when it happens...She has to prepared for a long drawn out battle if she is sueing them (The Federal Government). Someone here just mentioned something I didn't think about. Maybe they got a lawyer to protect her from lawsuits from people she came into contact with while sick. Not a pleasant thought :(
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Message 1589343 - Posted: 20 Oct 2014, 17:26:17 UTC
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I think the disease won't have the chance to spread anymore now that they found a cure (?)

Ms Romero has been treated at Carlos III hospital in Madrid, and was reportedly given a human serum containing antibodies from Ebola survivors.


So there are actually Ebola survivors then? I thought the only antibody could come from the host who carries the virus?
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Message 1589351 - Posted: 20 Oct 2014, 17:43:31 UTC - in response to Message 1589343.  

There is no cure yet. The antibodies are coming from the doctor that they flew back into the USA and treated with an experimental serum. He survived and is producing antibodies to the virus. But the thing is, he can only donate to others with similar blood types. It isn't a universal and it isn't a cure. It only a temporary fix until hopefully the patient's body begins to make antibodies of it's own.
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Message 1589358 - Posted: 20 Oct 2014, 18:18:51 UTC - in response to Message 1589291.  

Even if it was true, which I'm not sure it is in regards to the government. Texas has a tort reform law which would limit any amount won. (wouldn't even cover cost for bring it to the court, appeals court, circuit court, etc and lawyers fees) You would blow through that money within the few months. On the other hand.. A lifetime movie or OWN network movie has a bigger possibility of bring in $$.

It applies to the Federal Government.

And wouldn't Texan law be inapplicable here because you are suing the US Federal Government, and not the state of Texas or another Texan citizen? So this would go through a federal court, not a Texan court.


Not so much, no.

The US Federal Government, The US State Governments, and The various Native-American tribal Governments enjoy immunity from lawsuits under the principal of Sovereign Immunity.

The Federal Government, the US State Governments, and the Native-American Tribal Governments may NOT be sued in court except as they have expressly consented at allow (usually via statue law).

The law you referred to (The Federal Tort Claims Act of 1946) allows suits to proceed on torts, but exempts a rather significant list. Applicable to this case, in my opinion, would be the exemption that the US Federal Government may not be sued for the performance or failure to preform a discretionary function or duty. Other aspects of this law as well as other laws make the subject very much a legal gray area, Don't bank on her, or anyone else, being able to sue over the handling of the Ebola mess.
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Message 1589359 - Posted: 20 Oct 2014, 18:19:06 UTC - in response to Message 1589351.  
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There is no cure yet. The antibodies are coming from the doctor that they flew back into the USA and treated with an experimental serum. He survived and is producing antibodies to the virus. But the thing is, he can only donate to others with similar blood types. It isn't a universal and it isn't a cure. It only a temporary fix until hopefully the patient's body begins to make antibodies of it's own.



If he survived the experimental serum, how come they don't give it to those people in Africa then? Or why didn't they treat the man in Dallas with it for that matter? They could've least tried? When was that experimental serum discovered?
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Message 1589361 - Posted: 20 Oct 2014, 18:22:45 UTC - in response to Message 1589359.  

There is no cure yet. The antibodies are coming from the doctor that they flew back into the USA and treated with an experimental serum. He survived and is producing antibodies to the virus. But the thing is, he can only donate to others with similar blood types. It isn't a universal and it isn't a cure. It only a temporary fix until hopefully the patient's body begins to make antibodies of it's own.



If he survived the experimental serum, how come they don't give it to those people in Africa then? Or why didn't they treat the man in Dallas with it for that matter? They could've least tried?


Uhh... Maybe because they were OUT of it.
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Message 1589363 - Posted: 20 Oct 2014, 18:25:58 UTC - in response to Message 1589361.  
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There is no cure yet. The antibodies are coming from the doctor that they flew back into the USA and treated with an experimental serum. He survived and is producing antibodies to the virus. But the thing is, he can only donate to others with similar blood types. It isn't a universal and it isn't a cure. It only a temporary fix until hopefully the patient's body begins to make antibodies of it's own.



If he survived the experimental serum, how come they don't give it to those people in Africa then? Or why didn't they treat the man in Dallas with it for that matter? They could've least tried?


Uhh... Maybe because they were OUT of it.


So they occasionaly discover the cure for this ugly virus and then they run out, u huh... Is the American government really that dumb? Even if it only works on people with the same bloodtype, it's not a new recipe of soup they discovered.
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Message 1589378 - Posted: 20 Oct 2014, 19:10:05 UTC - in response to Message 1589363.  
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Let me put it another way. The serum he got was experimental. There were only 2 portions of it. They gave him 1 but he made them give it to his nurse instead. Then they gave him the last one. It's a very time consuming procedure to make the serum, and it doesn't cure you. It only helps to hold off the infection until your body starts to make antibodies. The only cure for this disease is for your body to make Antibodies to the virus. As the infection gets worse, your body tries to fight it off using the natural defenses that it has for all infections. This includes the releasing of chemicals and destroying infected disease or blood. You eventually get to a point where either your body starts to make antibodies and fights of the virus(hopefully) or your body collapses and fails. So it's a balancing act of your body. If you are lucky, your antibodies fight it off. If you aren't, you die. The only preventative measure would be if they manage to make a vaccine for it. And they haven't been able to do that yet. They are attempting to making some but haven't been able to produce one yet. until then its a sit and wait game. The best you can do is supportive therapy for someone.
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