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Message 1585587 - Posted: 12 Oct 2014, 1:46:21 UTC - in response to Message 1585534.  


Ebola is not contagious, flu is. Listen to the doctors, not the media pundits.


con·ta·gious
kənˈtājəs/
adjective

1.
(of a disease) spread from one person or organism to another by direct or indirect contact.
(of a person or animal) likely to transmit a disease by contact with other people or animals.

2.
(of an emotion, feeling, or attitude) likely to spread to and affect others.

Oh, really, Gary?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contagious_disease wrote:
The non-contagious category of infections usually require a special mode of transmission between persons or hosts. These include ... by non-casual transfer of bodily fluid
e.g. preparing the body for burial, cleaning up vomit ...


Ok, by that wikipedia page you linked...


A contagious disease is a subset category of transmissible diseases (can transmit from person to another) usually infections or some non-infection diseases, which are transmitted to other persons, either by physical contact (hence the name-origin) with the person suffering the disease, or by casual contact with their secretions or objects touched by them or airborne route among other routes.[1]

The non-contagious category of infections usually require a special mode of transmission between persons or hosts. These include need for intermediate vector species (mosquitoes that cause malaria) or by non-casual transfer of bodily fluid (such as transfusions, needle sharing or sexual contact). They can also be inherited by parents or caused by environmental or behavioral factors. They are usually considered more harmful and painful than contagious diseases.

The boundary between contagious and non-contagious infectious diseases is not perfectly drawn, as illustrated classically by tuberculosis, which is clearly transmissible from person to person, but was not classically considered a contagious disease. In the present day, most sexually transmitted diseases are considered contagious, but only some of them are subject to medical isolation.


Per the portion I bolded...

"casual contact with their secretions"...

That would cover 'cleaning up vomit'...

If you touch the uhh... secretions of an Ebola patient without special precautions, you have been exposed and might become infected yourself. Ask that poor lady in Spain. She accidentally touched her face with gloves that had... stuff... on them. Now she has it.

Ebola... Contagious.
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Message 1585645 - Posted: 12 Oct 2014, 6:11:44 UTC - in response to Message 1585587.  

Ashoka Mukpo, thought he contracted Ebola, from cleaning his car.

Ebola-stricken NBC freelancer shows modest improvement

OMAHA, Neb. (AP) — For a second straight day, an American video journalist being treated for Ebola has shown modest improvement.

Dr. Phil Smith is director of the Nebraska Medical Center's 10-bed isolation unit where 33-year-old Ashoka Mukpo is being treated. Smith said Saturday that Mukpo "is still very weak, but his condition has improved" since the day before.

Mukpo, of Providence, Rhode Island, is the second Ebola patient treated at the Omaha hospital.

He's receiving an experimental Ebola drug called brincidofovir and IV fluids — similar to the treatment Ebola patient Rick Sacra received during his three weeks there.

He also got blood from Bradley.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/11/ebola-nbc-freelancer-improves/17136933/
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Message 1585663 - Posted: 12 Oct 2014, 6:51:59 UTC - in response to Message 1585555.  

A non contagious disease would be most if not all cancers. I consider anything you can get from someone else in any manner is contagious.

Quite correct. I never caught cancer by touching two of my grandparents who died from it. Nor did I get parkinsons from my father who died from it.
But If some one has Ebola you will not find me being anywhere near them with out the required CDC approved bio gear. And then I would still be scared witless. Not contagious my ass.
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Message 1585667 - Posted: 12 Oct 2014, 7:09:37 UTC - in response to Message 1585587.  


Ebola is not contagious, flu is. Listen to the doctors, not the media pundits.


con·ta·gious
kənˈtājəs/
adjective

1.
(of a disease) spread from one person or organism to another by direct or indirect contact.
(of a person or animal) likely to transmit a disease by contact with other people or animals.

2.
(of an emotion, feeling, or attitude) likely to spread to and affect others.

Oh, really, Gary?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contagious_disease wrote:
The non-contagious category of infections usually require a special mode of transmission between persons or hosts. These include ... by non-casual transfer of bodily fluid
e.g. preparing the body for burial, cleaning up vomit ...


Ok, by that wikipedia page you linked...


A contagious disease is a subset category of transmissible diseases (can transmit from person to another) usually infections or some non-infection diseases, which are transmitted to other persons, either by physical contact (hence the name-origin) with the person suffering the disease, or by casual contact with their secretions or objects touched by them or airborne route among other routes.[1]

The non-contagious category of infections usually require a special mode of transmission between persons or hosts. These include need for intermediate vector species (mosquitoes that cause malaria) or by non-casual transfer of bodily fluid (such as transfusions, needle sharing or sexual contact). They can also be inherited by parents or caused by environmental or behavioral factors. They are usually considered more harmful and painful than contagious diseases.

The boundary between contagious and non-contagious infectious diseases is not perfectly drawn, as illustrated classically by tuberculosis, which is clearly transmissible from person to person, but was not classically considered a contagious disease. In the present day, most sexually transmitted diseases are considered contagious, but only some of them are subject to medical isolation.


Per the portion I bolded...

"casual contact with their secretions"...

That would cover 'cleaning up vomit'...

If you touch the uhh... secretions of an Ebola patient without special precautions, you have been exposed and might become infected yourself. Ask that poor lady in Spain. She accidentally touched her face with gloves that had... stuff... on them. Now she has it.

Ebola... Contagious.

Went looking for that face statement, and didn't find much. Sounded a bit like she didn't know what she touched. And that is important to the issue. I'd say that bodily fluids being brought into contact with a mucous membrane is not casual contact, but is intimate contact. Say french kissing. Or body fluids in the eye. Or picking your nose with a contaminated glove. None of those are casual contact.

Casual contact would be getting the fluids on your hands, which don't have open sores, and washing off with soap and water before you do something stupid and ingesting it, but still getting sick.
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Message 1585725 - Posted: 12 Oct 2014, 10:32:47 UTC - in response to Message 1585667.  

Ok, Gary,

You have a rather contorted viewpoint on this... Let me try a different tack.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/ebola-virus/basics/causes/con-20031241


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Infected people typically don't become contagious until they develop symptoms.
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http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/pdf/ebola-factsheet.pdf

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Signs and Symptoms
A person infected with Ebola is not contagious until symptoms appear.
Signs and Symptoms of Ebola typically include
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So,
Per the Mayo Clinic, *AND* the CDC, Ebola is not contagious until symptoms appear.

Applying some elementary logic, that means that Ebola IS contagious AFTER symptoms appear,

therefore

Ebola is a contagious disease.
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Message 1585805 - Posted: 12 Oct 2014, 15:37:16 UTC

USA Confirmed Case number two.

http://news.yahoo.com/texas-health-care-worker-tests-positive-ebola-100052941.html

A health care worker that provided care for Mr. Duncan now is sick and has tested positive for Ebola.
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Message 1585866 - Posted: 12 Oct 2014, 18:00:50 UTC - in response to Message 1585725.  

Ok, Gary,

You have a rather contorted viewpoint on this... Let me try a different tack.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/ebola-virus/basics/causes/con-20031241


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Infected people typically don't become contagious until they develop symptoms.
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http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/pdf/ebola-factsheet.pdf

.
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Signs and Symptoms
A person infected with Ebola is not contagious until symptoms appear.
Signs and Symptoms of Ebola typically include
.
.
.


So,
Per the Mayo Clinic, *AND* the CDC, Ebola is not contagious until symptoms appear.

Applying some elementary logic, that means that Ebola IS contagious AFTER symptoms appear,

therefore

Ebola is a contagious disease.

Major quoting wiki wrote:
The boundary between contagious and non-contagious infectious diseases is not perfectly drawn, as illustrated classically by tuberculosis, which is clearly transmissible from person to person, but was not classically considered a contagious disease.

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/outbreaks/2014-west-africa/qa.html wrote:
Ebola is not spread through casual contact;

Major quoting wiki wrote:
The non-contagious category of infections usually require a special mode of transmission between persons or hosts. These include need for intermediate vector species (mosquitoes that cause malaria) or by non-casual transfer of bodily fluid (such as transfusions, needle sharing or sexual contact).

So I'd say CDC has a different opinion than Mayo.
Clearly you don't catch Ebola like the Flu or a rhinovirus, things which everyone agrees are contagious.
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Message 1585871 - Posted: 12 Oct 2014, 18:05:29 UTC

Rather than postulate on the issue of how contagious it is, shouldn't we all be worried about the spreading of Ebola & what is being done to contain it?
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Message 1585880 - Posted: 12 Oct 2014, 18:20:33 UTC - in response to Message 1585871.  

Rather than postulate on the issue of how contagious it is, shouldn't we all be worried about the spreading of Ebola & what is being done to contain it?

Well for one thing it would help if the CIA hadn't used polio clinics to do their nefarious acts and thereby completely undermined western medicine.
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Message 1585883 - Posted: 12 Oct 2014, 18:23:52 UTC - in response to Message 1585880.  

Rather than postulate on the issue of how contagious it is, shouldn't we all be worried about the spreading of Ebola & what is being done to contain it?

Well for one thing it would help if the CIA hadn't used polio clinics to do their nefarious acts and thereby completely undermined western medicine.

Past tense, still does not answer the question.
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Message 1585886 - Posted: 12 Oct 2014, 18:29:07 UTC - in response to Message 1585883.  

Rather than postulate on the issue of how contagious it is, shouldn't we all be worried about the spreading of Ebola & what is being done to contain it?

Well for one thing it would help if the CIA hadn't used polio clinics to do their nefarious acts and thereby completely undermined western medicine.

Past tense, still does not answer the question.

It does. It means we can't educate and if we can't educate then we can do nothing. Of course perhaps that was the CIA's real intent, to cause an epidemic of various diseases in certain populations to wipe out a large number of them. Interesting way to wage warfare, but the CIA is devious if nothing.
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Message 1585888 - Posted: 12 Oct 2014, 18:31:12 UTC - in response to Message 1585886.  

It does not. The question remains: Shouldn't we be worried about it spreading & what is being done to contain it. Who released it or used it to their advantage is not the issue here.
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Message 1585891 - Posted: 12 Oct 2014, 18:37:51 UTC

Seems The Infectious Disease Running Rampant is Crying Racism every time A Person of Color Dies by Mostly White Contact or All White Contact. As The Family of The Deceased and Black Leaders are Doing Now.

Now, with The Unfortunate Development with The Nurse, We Will See how The Charge of Racism Proceeds.

Looking Forward to The Explanation of This Transmission of Disease to the Nurse.

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Message 1585892 - Posted: 12 Oct 2014, 18:43:56 UTC - in response to Message 1585891.  

Dull, you're no longer funny but sick. Bringing racism into a thread debating an incurable(atm) disease is deplorable. I'd reduce the amount of wacky baccy if I was you.
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Message 1585896 - Posted: 12 Oct 2014, 18:48:06 UTC

Dull, you're no longer funny but sick. Bringing racism into a thread debating an incurable(atm) disease is deplorable. I'd reduce the amount of wacky baccy if I was you.

Excuse Me? It's ALL OVER THE US NEWS. His Family and Loved Ones and Certain Black Leaders are Stating Racism was Involved in HIS FAILED TREATMENT.

Get A Grip Sirius.

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Message 1585900 - Posted: 12 Oct 2014, 18:53:04 UTC - in response to Message 1585896.  

Race to stop Ebola: Obama briefed; Nurse's home on lock-down and relative and dog in quarantine... But CDC chief says all staff who treated Duncan are 'at risk' after protocol breach

The nurse works at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital
Her identity has not been released, but her home is under police guard
Hazardous materials units have also cleaned out the nurse's car
She part of a team caring for Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan
Dog was reportedly inside patient's apartment, but shows no signs of virus
She is in a stable condition, health officials said Sunday

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2789969/home-dallas-nurse-tested-positive-ebola-police-guard-car-seized-reverse-911-call-sent-four-block-radius-warn-residents-risk.html

Case update.
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Message 1585902 - Posted: 12 Oct 2014, 18:55:19 UTC - in response to Message 1585896.  

No need to get a grip, your post was deplorable just as their actions are deplorable.

However, saying that, it seems anything goes where the States are concerned.
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Message 1585913 - Posted: 12 Oct 2014, 19:24:30 UTC - in response to Message 1585902.  

No need to get a grip, your post was deplorable just as their actions are deplorable.

However, saying that, it seems anything goes where the States are concerned.


I agree that perhaps it might have been better if "Dull" had not posted about it, and that things of this sort are kind of messed up in the USA...

But, in "Dull's" defense, it *IS* 'all over' the news in the USA...

Here is a news story from WGN, a major TV station in Chicago. WGN is carried on many cable-TV and satellite systems in the USA, and they are not the only ones...

http://wgntv.com/2014/10/11/family-of-thomas-eric-duncan-says-his-death-from-ebola-is-racially-motivated/

"Dull" was not just 'making it up'.
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Message 1585916 - Posted: 12 Oct 2014, 19:29:40 UTC - in response to Message 1585913.  

Did not imlpy that the story was made up. However, the brains of that family are somewhat lacking! Ebola is a "White Supremacist's" wet dream?

Come on be realistic here. How many "white" health workers has it taken out? <0/>1?
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Message 1585945 - Posted: 12 Oct 2014, 20:38:39 UTC - in response to Message 1585916.  

Ebola is a "White Supremacist's" wet dream?

The reactions of many on this thread to the over stimulated hype of the media is the real wet dream of the supremacists. It furthers their agenda to marginalize certain groups of humans and threat them as sub-human. It help them teach that hating other humans is acceptable. It helps them teach that denying rights to other humans is acceptable. Yes, it is a supremacists wet dream.
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