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Message 1553585 - Posted: 8 Aug 2014, 9:26:11 UTC - in response to Message 1553579.  

Its a virus, so I suppose you might be immune for it indeed.


Beg's the question why hasn't there been someone looking at the survivors ??

For one, I´m sure they have. And second, what would that achieve? Its not like in movies where some smart doctor can take some survivors blood and use it to synthesize a 'cure' for Ebola.
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Message 1553643 - Posted: 8 Aug 2014, 13:26:55 UTC - in response to Message 1553533.  

... cretin countries.

What are these?
The CDC list is on their web page; Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Nigeria
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Message 1553668 - Posted: 8 Aug 2014, 14:10:52 UTC - in response to Message 1553643.  

... cretin countries.

What are these?
The CDC list is on their web page; Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Nigeria

From Oxford: cretin (NOUN, INFORMAL, OFFENSIVE): A stupid person (used as a general term of abuse).

My question stands.
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Message 1553701 - Posted: 8 Aug 2014, 15:22:33 UTC - in response to Message 1553668.  

... cretin countries.

What are these?
The CDC list is on their web page; Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Nigeria

From Oxford: cretin (NOUN, INFORMAL, OFFENSIVE): A stupid person (used as a general term of abuse).

My question stands.
I of course meant certain. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to correct myself.
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Message 1553708 - Posted: 8 Aug 2014, 15:41:37 UTC - in response to Message 1553701.  

... cretin countries.

What are these?
The CDC list is on their web page; Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Nigeria

From Oxford: cretin (NOUN, INFORMAL, OFFENSIVE): A stupid person (used as a general term of abuse).

My question stands.
I of course meant certain. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to correct myself.

You are welcome. ;) Carry on...
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Message 1553933 - Posted: 8 Aug 2014, 21:53:42 UTC - in response to Message 1553585.  

For one, I´m sure they have. And second, what would that achieve? Its not like in movies where some smart doctor can take some survivors blood and use it to synthesize a 'cure' for Ebola.


No it's not like the movies but then finding the antibodies isn't finding a cure so much as insulating a cure some human already made and that's way more easy .

So my question stands . This thing has been known about for years and there must have been survivors ?

And we all know the drug company's resit'd giving Aids drugs to Africa .....I'm just saying .....could be sus no treatments yet
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Message 1553959 - Posted: 8 Aug 2014, 22:15:42 UTC - in response to Message 1553933.  

WHO declares Ebola 'international health emergency' as death toll nears 1000

Warning comes after US authorities warn disease will 'inevitably' spread beyond region and reach America; Greece says it is testing suspected case

The deadly Ebola epidemic ravaging parts of West Africa was declared an international health emergency by the World Health Organisation on Friday, as the death toll neared 1000 and authorities expressed fears the virus could spread worldwide.

Very scary news :(


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/liberia/11021838/WHO-declares-Ebola-international-health-emergency-as-death-toll-nears-1000.html
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Message 1553965 - Posted: 8 Aug 2014, 22:21:19 UTC - in response to Message 1553959.  

If that happens, the global warmists & population freaks will love it...

...after the plague of Europe, it took 150 years before the population reached pre-plague levels.
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Message 1554024 - Posted: 9 Aug 2014, 0:35:33 UTC - in response to Message 1553965.  

Experts: Ebola Could Cross Unsecured U.S. Border

U.S. border with Mexico, experts say.

“While we've seen no signs that Ebola virus has spread to our borders, it is very concerning,” Rep. Randy Weber (R-TX) told Breitbart News. “The border has still not been secured, and the President continues to wave the sign that our borders are open. There is no telling what might eventually make its way into the heartland, which should be concerning to all.”

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/08/08/Experts-Ebola-Could-Cross-Unsecured-U-S-Border
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Message 1554027 - Posted: 9 Aug 2014, 0:42:31 UTC - in response to Message 1554024.  

With all the billions worldwide being spent on weaponry, it would be funny if one little virus does to mankind what we & our weapons failed to do...

...devastate mankind
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Message 1554028 - Posted: 9 Aug 2014, 0:43:43 UTC - in response to Message 1554024.  

Meanwhile, Nancy Writebol and Kent Brantly both contracted Ebola while in Liberia. Americans doing fine in Atlanta.

Kudos to them for trying to make a difference. :)

Americans battling Ebola fueled by faith -- and, in one case, Starbucks

(CNN) -- Like the other American who volunteered to help others in Africa and ended up with Ebola, Nancy Writebol is driven first and foremost by her fervent faith.

Still, that doesn't mean she doesn't need -- or deserve -- a pick-me-up.

So, after arriving at Atlanta's Emory University Hospital from Liberia, Nancy Writebol asked for -- and received -- coffee from Starbucks. That was a definite plus about being back in her home country, though her husband acknowledges she has a long way to go to beat the deadly disease.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/08/health/ebola-american-victims/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
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Message 1554029 - Posted: 9 Aug 2014, 0:47:16 UTC - in response to Message 1554028.  

Hope they both pull through.
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Message 1554043 - Posted: 9 Aug 2014, 1:15:08 UTC - in response to Message 1554029.  

Hope they both pull through.


Same here, Sirius.

more news..


Ebola scare in Brampton, Ont.

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Message 1554062 - Posted: 9 Aug 2014, 2:03:58 UTC - in response to Message 1554027.  
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With all the billions worldwide being spent on weaponry, it would be funny if one little virus does to mankind what we & our weapons failed to do...

...devastate mankind

You do recall Orson Welles' 1938 radio broadcast The War Of The Worlds?

Fact can indeed be stranger and more frightening than fiction.
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Message 1554065 - Posted: 9 Aug 2014, 2:09:58 UTC - in response to Message 1554062.  

With all the billions worldwide being spent on weaponry, it would be funny if one little virus does to mankind what we & our weapons failed to do...

...devastate mankind

You do recall Orson Welles' 1938 radio broadcast The War Of The Worlds?

Fact can indeed be stranger and more frightening than fiction.
and that is frightening in itself!
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Message 1554073 - Posted: 9 Aug 2014, 2:31:11 UTC
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SO glad the cretin reference has been cleared up :)

I can't help thinking the world has woken up a little late to the threat of this disease - given that international mobility has advanced somewhat from how fast flea-ridden rats could travel across land in the days of the plague. (I remember being very disturbed reading accounts of the last major plague outbreak in Britain where families were walled into their homes the minute one member became ill. Some of them caught it and lived, others didn't catch it all... but they were incarcerated with the corpses of their loved ones for weeks nevertheless. All made worse because some brightspark blamed the disease on cats so had them all killed... removing the one natural predator that would have kept rat numbers down, and consequently their fleas too. Unimaginable :( sorry - back to topic)

Certainly during the last Ebola outbreak, very little attention was given to the disease by the western media. It was dismissed as yet another African problem of no consequence to the world and it was left to charities and aid workers and other African countries to help out the nations affected.

As to a cure or a vaccine - that's a tricky one. Don't vaccines work by giving you a small dose of the virus - or a modified form? I THINK I'm correct in saying that our success at doing away with smallpox came not by innoculating for smallpox - which proved deadly - but by innoculating people with a vaccine against cowpox (after it was discovered that milkmaids who had suffered from cowpox were then immune to smallpox).

One thing I came across recently, which I found very interesting, was the discovery that people who have inherited two copies of the mutant CCR5-delta 32 gene are immune to Aids. It has it's downside (which has slipped my memory at the moment) but this mutation is believed to have played a major part in protecting people against smallpox in the bronze age.

Until we can determine how small or modified THIS virus needs to be before it can safely be used as a vaccine is anybody's guess... and we've lost a thirty-eight year headstart on it :( Certainly studying those who have survived the disease is a good place to start I think - but they should also perhaps be looking to find people who by rights SHOULD have fallen ill with it and didn't... it may not just have been a lucky escape...

In the meantime - my heart is with all those who are ill, their loved ones, and everyone caring for those who are suffering...
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Message 1554079 - Posted: 9 Aug 2014, 2:55:18 UTC - in response to Message 1554027.  

With all the billions worldwide being spent on weaponry, it would be funny if one little virus does to mankind what we & our weapons failed to do...

...devastate mankind

<stir on>
Isn't this Allah's punishment for fill in the blank? After all the primary method of transmission is when the family ritualistically washes the body of the dead and gets infected. Not every religion has the family wash the dead. So just like AIDS that was sent to punish the promiscuous ...
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While it is infectious it isn't contagious like Pneumonic plague. You have to be exposed to bodily fluids to catch it. It is not airborne.
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Message 1554085 - Posted: 9 Aug 2014, 3:17:07 UTC - in response to Message 1554079.  

With all the billions worldwide being spent on weaponry, it would be funny if one little virus does to mankind what we & our weapons failed to do...

...devastate mankind

<stir on>
Isn't this Allah's punishment for fill in the blank? After all the primary method of transmission is when the family ritualistically washes the body of the dead and gets infected. Not every religion has the family wash the dead. So just like AIDS that was sent to punish the promiscuous ...
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While it is infectious it isn't contagious like Pneumonic plague. You have to be exposed to bodily fluids to catch it. It is not airborne.


Okay... stirring aside... primary transmission is from washing the dead? It's a source yes - but not sure it's the primary one. Caring for them whilst they're ill is also a biggie. And it's not just for religious reasons a family may tend to the body of a loved one - not being able to afford the services of a funeral parlour plays it's part too - and then there are those who may stroke a loved one as a final goodbye... not a lot to do with religion there either... :( but no doubt there are plenty out there who will see as you have stirred :(
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Message 1554087 - Posted: 9 Aug 2014, 3:24:20 UTC

It is not the rate of contagion or manner that terrifies most people.
It is the fatality rate if one does somehow contract it.
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Message 1554093 - Posted: 9 Aug 2014, 3:39:38 UTC - in response to Message 1554085.  

not being able to afford the services of a funeral parlour plays it's part too - and then there are those who may stroke a loved one as a final goodbye... not a lot to do with religion there either...
I looked it up and the family is to wash the dead.
Washing and Shrouding for Muslims
Step 1 Press the stomach gently and clean whatever comes out.

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