It has been confirmed that the plane was shot down. It is known who had used surface to air missiles to bring down Malaysian airline and who boasted of having done the same on early Thursday evening. Removal of incriminating videos and manipulative media coverage cannot erase that.

298 people were killed on Thursday evening, among them eighty children. Those who play with human life for dubious geopolitical gain must be stopped.

Removal of incriminating videos and manipulative media coverage cannot erase that.

Nothing is ever erased from the Internet.

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Ukraine accused on Sunday of the pro-Russian separatists to hide evidence that it was a Russian missile that shot down the Malaysian aircraft MH17. They claim they have a recording that shows this, writes the Wall Street Journal.
The accusation from Ukraine came just after Alexander Borodaj, the leader of the self-proclaimed "People's Republic of Donetsk", announced that they have found what appears to be the crashed flight recording equipment, the so-called black boxes.
The intercepted conversations, which Ukraine's Security Council claiming to have taken place on Friday night, suggesting that Moscow has given orders to the rebels to take care of tachographs before investigators from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, OSCE, were given access to the site,
In one of the recordings, a person repeatedly have reiterated that the flight recorders, which investigators believe may contain important information about what caused the plane to crash, "does not come into the hands of strangers; all those who come here, the OSCE and all others. "
- Moscow asks where the boxes are. We must find out soon, a rebel heard saying on the recording.
Ukraine's Security Council argues that the speaker is the rebel leader Alexander Khodakovsky. He should have called several calls to the rebels who were involved in the search during Friday evening and night.
- Our comrades from the top are very interested in the fate of the black boxes. I mean that Moscow ... guarantee that everything found is not left in the hands of strangers, he should have said in one of the recordings.
The rebels claim that they do not withhold anything.
- We see the black boxes which are very important for an objective investigation and hope that the OSCE will find them, says Alan Manaey from separatist movement according to the Wall Street Journal.
Earlier on Sunday, said Alexander Borodaj that the boxes stored in Donetsk and that they are willing to hand them over to the international aviation experts, but not to the Ukraine.
Tachograph records technical data and could give investigators the opportunity to hear what was said in the cockpit before the plane crashed.
Ukraine has already released what they claim are recordings that show that it was the rebels who shot down the plane. On Sunday, the U.S. announced that they had analyzed some of the recordings and concluded that they were authentic.

Thanks Dagens Nyheter Sweden

Tens of thousands, maybe hundreds, of people fleeing now from Donbass.
Kiev sympathizers fleeing westward for fear of the rebels, rebel sympathizers fled to the Crimea and Russia for fear of government troops. And ordinary people are fleeing for fear of ending up in the middle of the line of fire.
How aftermath of the disaster with the Malaysian planet will seem we do not know yet. However, most evidence now points out the rebels who owe learn not to make them less frantic, while Kiev will be less inclined to discuss a truce.
And most ordinary residents in the Donbass, the image of the disaster by the Russian media. Where is the most common version that the plane was shot down by Ukrainian Air Force

Removal of incriminating videos and manipulative media coverage cannot erase that.

Nothing is ever erased from the Internet.

Russian-backed separatists in possession of flight recorders, seek to hide evidence, intercepted phone calls show (VIDEO, ENGLISH SUBTITLES)
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/ssu-356979.html

This whole thing makes me want to vomit.

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Russian-backed separatists in possession of flight recorders, seek to hide evidence, intercepted phone calls show

There is no way they can decode let alone fake the data in the "black box" they are orange BTW.


It's not that big a deal. The only question is who pulled the trigger, not what army but their names.

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This whole thing makes me want to vomit.

Even the perpetrators were shocked when they realized the mistake of shooting down a civilian aircraft. All the people and children who fell down like rain.
Terrible!

This whole thing makes me want to vomit.

Even the perpetrators were shocked when they realized the mistake of shooting down a civilian aircraft. All the people and children who fell down like rain.
Terrible!

I never want to have to read something like that again.

I suspect I will though. :(

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Reality Internet Personality

This whole thing makes me want to vomit.

Even the perpetrators were shocked when they realized the mistake of shooting down a civilian aircraft. All the people and children who fell down like rain.
Terrible!

They didn't seem as concerned for the civilians but more concerned that they were now in deep poop. The Russian handler even said what were they doing flying over their territory and wondered if they were spies. MH17 was 200 miles north of the usual flight path because of storms but still within regulations.

That Korean Air Lines Flight 007 they shot down was on a spy mission to test the air defense radar. The difference is with 007 is they knew it was a passenger plane.

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That Korean Air Lines Flight 007 they shot down was on a spy mission to test the air defense radar. The difference is with 007 is they knew it was a passenger plane.

The Russians seem to have a propensity to shoot down Boing passenger planes.

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That Korean Air Lines Flight 007 they shot down was on a spy mission to test the air defense radar. The difference is with 007 is they knew it was a passenger plane.

The Russians seem to have a propensity to shoot down Boing passenger planes.

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Do they own stock in Boeing?
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<flip>
Do they own stock in Boeing?
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Boeing is in the clear when a jet gets shot down. Most insurance excludes acts of war. So who pays for this as the thugs don't have any money.

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What's wrong with this picture?

For a plane that was shot out of the sky with total destruction these passports look brand new.

I wouldn't believe anyone.

Upon further review these passports were removed from passengers carry on baggage wile looking for money and other valuables. The site is totally compromised. World it's your move.

This is a video taken shortly after the crash; it shows the thugs dumping out carry on baggage looking for "documents".
MH17 air crash: Pro-Russia rebel video of crash aftermath

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The sad thing is that, in the end, Putin will win: Greater Russia!!!.

Russia is the '500 pound gorilla' in the region.

+1

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I fully expect Putin will deal with the perpetrators of this crime in the time
old fashion way that the Russians do. If I were the person who pulled the trigger
on the missile I would have emigrated by now because Putin is going to want your
head on the block.

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The Kite Fliers

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.

Nick if Putin does do the right thing well yes he'll win ..let's hope he is smart enough not to have himself unnecessary silly problem's to distract him from Greater Russia hand the drongoes over to us !

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Glen, this whole charade goes a lot deeper than many here realise.
Our prime minister Cameron has openly stated that he holds Putin only partially
responsible for this outcry...and some of us here on these threads know why he
stated that word "partially"?

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The Kite Fliers

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.

Perhaps the reason for Western intel not definitively showing Putin is driving the separatist militia is that protection of plausible deniability.

If Russian support was proven beyond doubt there is no reason not to send the full Russian military. In for a penny, in for a pound.

Anyway, it's not as if Russian support of a belligerent in a civil war is a bad thing. Worked out pretty good for the Vietnamese.

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Kolch - Crunching for the BOINC@Australia team since July 2004.
Search for your own intelligence...

Will the West sleep through this final wake-up call?
http://khpg.org.ua/en/index.php?id=1405902662

The chances of surviving an explosion in the air are microscopic. But pictures of the plane crash suggests that some of the victims may have been conscious when they fell from 10,000 meters, according to an aviation expert.

“Overall, as of 12:00, July 21, 2014, 282 bodies of victims and 87 fragments of bodies were found and properly packed on the crash site. 251 bodies and 66 fragments were loaded into refrigerators (railway cars),” a statement reads.

At the same time, terrorists do not allow refrigerators from the railway station of the town of Torez, despite numerous calls from the Ukrainian government, OSCE and the international community.

The OSCE team has claimed that the black boxes have not been recovered, yet Aleksandr Boroday, the republic’s prime minister, told reporters that DPR might potentially be in possession of the MH17 black boxes. "What we have is just some components of the plane. We are not experts; we think that they may be black boxes but we're not sure."

The first of a likely stream of articles placing the blame for the tragedy on the EU has already appeared in a UK publication
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2698652/PETER-HITCHENS-Mourn-victims-dont-turn-one-tragedy-global-catastrophe.html#ixzz380ag3IMK
and more can be expected to claim the USA to be responsible, NATO, the West, or, of course, ‘fascists’ in Ukraine.