There is absolutely no sane response to this... Really it sounds like a bad Clive Barker novel or something. Oh well, have fun with your religious racist friends/con artist out for your money.

Michelle,
Hang on, don't leave just yet!

Do you not want to have another go at me? Common, surely you can think up some more good stuff about David Pack and the Restored Church of God?

If you can't think of something sane to say, then say something that is insane! Go on, you know you want to! I can take it!

John.

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Gee thanks Anniet, how can I ever repay you for saving me from the vicious religious cult that is run by a power hunger demon who just wants everybody's money?

You're welcome Johnney.

Have you a paypal account Anniet, I can forward you some cash to thank you.

No. I don't trust the internet :) and I'm not in the habit of taking money from anyone - gullible or not. Do I presume your rapid unconversion from Pack's teachings is why you didn't answer my question?

If September 27, 2016 passes by without a hitch - will you accept yet another revised doomsday date?

Sirius B,
What book did you read? Is it America & Britain in Prophesy? I'm ashamed to say, but I only got through about half the book. I only read the bit up until the point where David C. Pack explains how the thrown of King David passes through 3 Kingdoms.

I quit the book after that. That was the bit wanted to read. So I don't know what he said about the Eagle and the lion symbols.

Ah, so you cherry picked. Next time, try reading the whole book.

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Gee thanks Anniet, how can I ever repay you for saving me from the vicious religious cult that is run by a power hunger demon who just wants everybody's money?

You're welcome Johnney.

Have you a paypal account Anniet, I can forward you some cash to thank you.

No. I don't trust the internet :) and I'm not in the habit of taking money from anyone - gullible or not. Do I presume your rapid unconversion from Pack's teachings is why you didn't answer my question?

If September 27, 2016 passes by without a hitch - will you accept yet another revised doomsday date?

anniet,
The website is run by someone with a grudge against David C. Pack. so no, I don't trust a single word written on the website.

anniet show me a webpage, or a video, by David C. Pack, or the Restored Church of God, that says that he is promoting that date as the date for the end of the world.

anniet I have watched all 170 videos on there Youtube channel, and David C. Pack does not give dates for the End of the World in any single one of the videos. Not a single one Anniet! However - He does "discuss" the end of the world in many of the videos. He does what the Bible tells you to do. the "Bible" tells you the world is going to end. Its not David C. Pack, its the Bible says it!! David c. Pack is just reading exactly what the bible tells him to tell other people. He is telling people the Word of God.

Annite, show me a page in the RCG website where that date is listed as the date for the end of the world!

It doesn't matter if some spammer with a grudge wrote it some place else on the internet.

John.

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Sirius B,
What book did you read? Is it America & Britain in Prophesy? I'm ashamed to say, but I only got through about half the book. I only read the bit up until the point where David C. Pack explains how the thrown of King David passes through 3 Kingdoms.

I quit the book after that. That was the bit wanted to read. So I don't know what he said about the Eagle and the lion symbols.

Ah, so you cherry picked. Next time, try reading the whole book.

Sirius B,
Like I said, I only read the first half of the book. I just wanted to find out what he said about Ireland, and the High Kings of Ireland. I was just curious.

But you got to admit, its an interesting read! Gripping stuff!

John.

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the thrown(sic) of King David passes through 3 Kingdoms

Don't worry about it, King David never existed, except in some fantasy book called the Bible. Ask the archeologists.

Sorry Israel, the symbol on your flag is a lie.

Don't worry about it, King David never existed, except in some fantasy book called the Bible. Ask the archeologists.

Who was the father of Solomon who did exists and built the second Temple who's wall, exists to this day? A king in the bible is like a European king today. More like a mayor of a city than a king of a country. The 12 tribes were not a great power in a world sense but they did sexist. I see them every day. One twice a year for a dental check up.

Edit; sorry for my disability.

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Don't worry about it, King David never existed, except in some fantasy book called the Bible. Ask the archeologists.

Who was the father of Salomon who did exists and built the second Temple who's wall, exists to this day? A king in the bible is like a European king today. More like a mayor of a city than a king of a country. The 12 tribes were not a great power in a world sense but they did sexist. I see them every day. One twice a year for a dental check up.

Sorry didn't realise that Salomon were builders, thought they only produced Sports clothing and shoes.

Sorry didn't realise that Salomon were builders, thought they only produced Sports clothing and shoes.

I'm sorry I have a disability and my copy editor has the day off.

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Sorry didn't realise that Salomon were builders, thought they only produced Sports clothing and shoes.

I'm sorry I have a disability and my copy editor has the day off.

You let copy editors have the day off, shocking.

You'll be telling us next you feed them and let them have holidays.

anniet,
The website is run by someone with a grudge against David C. Pack. so no, I don't trust a single word written on the website.

anniet show me a webpage, or a video, by David C. Pack, or the Restored Church of God, that says that he is promoting that date as the date for the end of the world.

anniet I have watched all 170 videos on there Youtube channel, and David C. Pack does not give dates for the End of the World in any single one of the videos. Not a single one Anniet! However - He does "discuss" the end of the world in many of the videos. He does what the Bible tells you to do. the "Bible" tells you the world is going to end. Its not David C. Pack, its the Bible says it!! David c. Pack is just reading exactly what the bible tells him to tell other people. He is telling people the Word of God.

Annite, show me a page in the RCG website where that date is listed as the date for the end of the world!

It doesn't matter if some spammer with a grudge wrote it some place else on the internet.

John.

Johnney. Have you reconverted? I ask because in your last response to me you called the RCG a...

vicious religious cult

No matter. If you'd followed the links I posted it would have set your mind at rest as to the date being from Mr Pack himself (in a leaked member letter provided to the silenced website by someone who was once just like you - one of Mr Pack's followers - as are many who have contributed to the exit and support network). But as you don't give credence to internet sites (other than: youtube, the RCG website, and Witscience of course) your dismissal will I know, continue, so I won't belabour the point :)

The basis for some of his calculations I believe can be found here David C. Pack and the 3 ½ years It seems there is or was a mention in one of his mp3 audio file downloads, but with something like 450 of them to wade through, I have not tracked it down for you. I will take your word for it that he is not "promoting" it in his videos though. :) They are of course, harder to edit than the written word.

I do grant you that Mr Pack has not made the same quantity of prophetical gaffes as Ron Weinland of the RCG's sister church (or splinter group) the COG... whose most recently revised armageddon date (given from inside his prison cell) is Pentecost 2019 - which gives us all an extra three years! :)

I will and do defend the exit and support network though. It is not written as you say by "some spammer with a grudge".

This could be... and this too.. Restored Church of God Members Deceived Into Thinking David C. Pack Never Set Any Dates. And as for his suspected involvement in events surrounding the death of a four year old girl and her mother's subsequent suicide attempt (and three other suicides that occurred during what has been called his "Reign of Terror" whilst serving his mentor Herbert Armstrong) detailed in the Ambassador Report... thay make for very disturbing reading.

There are SO many more Johnney :( I do hope they're all wrong...

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No matter. If you'd followed the links I posted it would have set your mind at rest as to the date being from Mr Pack himself (in a leaked member letter provided to the silenced website by someone who was once just like you - one of Mr Pack's followers - as are many who have contributed to the exit and support network). But as you don't give credence to internet sites (other than: youtube, the RCG website, and Witscience of course) your dismissal will I know, continue, so I won't belabour the point :)

The basis for some of his calculations I believe can be found here David C. Pack and the 3 ½ years It seems there is or was a mention in one of his mp3 audio file downloads, but with something like 450 of them to wade through, I have not tracked it down for you. I will take your word for it that he is not "promoting" it in his videos though. :) They are of course, harder to edit than the written word.

I do grant you that Mr Pack has not made the same quantity of prophetical gaffes as Ron Weinland of the RCG's sister church (or splinter group) the COG... whose most recently revised armageddon date (given from inside his prison cell) is Pentecost 2019 - which gives us all an extra three years! :)

I will and do defend the exit and support network though. It is not written as you say by "some spammer with a grudge".

This could be... and this too.. Restored Church of God Members Deceived Into Thinking David C. Pack Never Set Any Dates. And as for his suspected involvement in events surrounding the death of a four year old girl and her mother's subsequent suicide attempt (and three other suicides that occurred during what has been called his "Reign of Terror" whilst serving his mentor Herbert Armstrong) detailed in the Ambassador Report... thay make for very disturbing reading.

There are SO many more Johnney :( I do hope they're all wrong...

Anniet,
You were unable to give me a link to any video or webpage on a David C. Pack website, or a Restored Church of God website that states an exact date for the End of the World. So Anniet, I think I have proven my point!! Anniet, you posted a message stating as a matter of fact that David C. Pack was promoting a particular date for the End of the World. If he was Anniet, wouldn't you be able to find that webpage, or video, or book, or anything? Maybe i'm telling you the truth Anniet. Maybe he doesn't promote dates for the End of the World.

Anniet, have some dignity and stand down. Apologise for making false statements about he man. Your trying desperately to discredit a very nice man that tries his best to teach people the Bible. He tries his best Anniet, you could learn from him.

John.

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Anniet, have some dignity and stand down. Apologise for making false statements about he man. Your trying desperately to discredit a very nice man that tries his best to teach people the Bible. He tries his best Anniet, you could learn from him.

John.

John... I had enough interest in your numerous links (to material provided by Mr Pack) to follow them. How I came across the ones I have - was purely through following links from the wiki page you posted. Following them for not very long at all - and I found an awful lot more than I'd bargained for... Not to mention over 1000 facebook profiles of Christians - all of whom have suffered at the hands of this church and it's splinter groups.

I have posted SOME of those links - because this is a public forum - and there does seem to be something slightly unbalanced about Mr Pack's teachings as evidenced by things that have been said in your other thread... but perhaps those ARE just your theories and nothing to do with him... either way, people are of course free to make up their own minds - as you have done.

Everything I have said about Mr Pack is already out there on the internet. I have added nothing new. And if you remember, I did say...

I do hope they're all wrong...

Please try to remember that :)

Anniet,
Let me just save you some time and I can clarify this whole issue for you very quickly.

Anniet, the following is a typical video made by the Restored Church of God and David C. Pack.

Video name; December 21, 2012 is NOT the End of the World!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v90IB-MPDUo (30 minutes long!)

It was a video made by the Restored Church of God and published on Youtube 3 months before the whole world-wide hype about the world ending in December 21st, 2012. In the video, David, C. Pack tries to teach Christians that they have absolutely nothing to worry about.

Anniet, you can watch the whole 30 minute video if you want, but I can save you some time.

Please fast forward the video to 8 minutes into it, just to save you time.
And just watch 1 minute 40 of the video. Watch from 8 minutes into the video to 9 minutes 40 seconds.

Anniet, what I want to highlight is what David C. Pack says at exactly 8 minutes 45 seconds into the video. At that point in the video David C. Pack quotes his favourite quote from the Bible, which is;

Matthew 25:13(NIV)
“Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour."
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+25%3A13&version=NIV

Now Anniet, like I said to you already, I have watched all 170 videos they have on Youtube. And the one thing that David C. Pack NEVER DOES is predict dates for the End of the World!

Anniet, he NEVER does it, never!! He never predicts dates of the End of the World, never, ever, ever. Why??? Answer, because he always, always, always quotes Matthew 25:13 and tells you the words of Jesus Christ, which are “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour."

Matthew 25:13 is David C. Packs favourite quote from the Bible. its in all his videos!

So Anniet, i'm quite sure that your not man (or woman) enough to apologise. I'm quite sure you will continue to stand you ground and you will continue to defend the propaganda website you linked to. That is probably your nature Anniet.

Makes me wonder why you read the Bible 4 or 5 times Anniet? You didn't seem to learn anything from reading it.

John.

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Makes me wonder why you read the Bible 4 or 5 times Anniet? You didn't seem to learn anything from reading it.

Please don't insult people on this thread.

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Bible thumpers can't help it, especially when they know they've lost the argument :-)

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Bible thumpers can't help it, especially when they know they've lost the argument :-)

Yes, when they get into one of those circular logic loops all rationality and civility seems to evaporate as gray matter hits the fan.

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Anniet,
Let me just save you some time and I can clarify this whole issue for you very quickly.

Thankyou :)

“Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour."

Matthew 25:13 is David C. Packs favourite quote from the Bible. its in all his videos!

Just out of curiosity Johnney... does Mr Pack ever vary the inflection on the word "you"?

So Anniet, i'm quite sure that your not man (or woman) enough to apologise. I'm quite sure you will continue to stand you ground and you will continue to defend the propaganda website you linked to. That is probably your nature Anniet.

John... firstly - Not once did I say the date was promoted in Mr Pack's video's.

These, and the RGC website, seem to be the only sources you are prepared to consider when it comes to Mr Pack. That is your prerogative and something I will not apologise for. When I linked the date to his name in a search engine, I did (after some considerable time) find myself on a page that listed over 450 mp3 audio files produced by Mr Pack. I assumed you would be familiar with them but perhaps you are not. Either way, I have neither the time nor the inclination to wade through one of them, let alone all - for which I do apologise.

Secondly - You have already dismissed the source the date was cited in as propaganda, along with all my other posted links, and I have already said on two occasions that I hoped all those sources were wrong. I don't see why I should have to apologise for any of them, as I authored none of them.

I am sorry I have upset you though. My posts in this thread have been meant only as cautionary given the number of people - who were once fully paid up members of the RGC - who now claim to have suffered as a result. I am glad that you yourself have not - and consequently completely understand your heartfelt defence of Mr Pack. I genuinely hope you will never come to regret that.

Makes me wonder why you read the Bible 4 or 5 times Anniet? You didn't seem to learn anything from reading it.

John.

I didn't learn what you've learned from your selective reading and re-reading of bits of it, I know that :) But I really do suggest you don't push the point as to why I read it so often... it may actually move you to tears.

Not the end of the world but he predicted in "All Brethren United Soon Part 12" the death of three shepherds and all coming to his church. Another David Koresh.

Saturday, August 31 will be a Sabbath unlike any other in history. It will be the first time in decades that all of God’s people around the world will be meeting together in the same locations for services. Words cannot describe the excitement and happiness that will be everywhere soon after this reunification.

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Anniet,

“Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour."

Matthew 25:13 is David C. Packs favourite quote from the Bible. its in all his videos!

Just out of curiosity Johnney... does Mr Pack ever vary the inflection on the word "you"?

I said its one of David C. Packs favourite quotes from the Bible. He quotes it over and over again, because they are the words of Jesus Christ, through Jesus Christ's Revelation to mankind. No Anniet, he doesn't "inflect" the Biblical quote.

John... firstly - Not once did I say the date was promoted in Mr Pack's video's.

Yea right Anniet,
Great technicality. You only said David C. Pack was promoting particular dates for the end of the world. Yes, you didn't specifically say he was doing it in videos. Well done!!! [clap][clap][clap]. Aren't you great.

Quote Anniet;

....That is your prerogative and something I will not apologise for.

Quote Anniet;

I don't see why I should have to apologise for any of them, as I authored none of them.

I knew you wouldn't apologise. Its not in your nature to do so.

Anniet,
You have said some really terrible things about a lovely man, David C. Pack, that has dedicated his life to telling people about the Word of God.

Quote Anniet;

This could be... and this too.. Restored Church of God Members Deceived Into Thinking David C. Pack Never Set Any Dates. And as for his suspected involvement in events surrounding the death of a four year old girl and her mother's subsequent suicide attempt (and three other suicides that occurred during what has been called his "Reign of Terror" whilst serving his mentor Herbert Armstrong) detailed in the Ambassador Report... thay make for very disturbing reading.

Anniet,
You have implicated David C. Pack in the deaths of 5 people, one of them being a child. Now Anniet, that is a really terrible thing to do. That is just horrible Anniet.

There is something called the Law. If David C. Pack was involved in the deaths of 5 people, then the police will deal with it. If your worried about what you read on the so called "exit and support network" website you found on the internet Anniet, then you should telephone the police in Ohio and tell them about what you read on the internet. Your now a witness Anniet, and you should contact the police and report what you read on the internet. If a crime has been committed, the local police in Ohio will deal with it. This is a very serious thing you have done Anniet.

If the man has not committed any crime, then you should stand down Anniet and apologise for bearing false witness against your neighbour.

John.

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