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 Gary Charpentier     Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30646 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 
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Therefore. One MUST surmise you are admitting losing the argument. Is evil an idea? 
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W-K 666  Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19057 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 
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though the reality is much murkier That's true, on both sides. Wikipedia has a good entry on the Palestinian People I hope you took note on how many times Hamas has called for, and used the women and children to act a shields for it's actions etc. ID: 1556097 · |
Hev  Send message Joined: 4 Jun 05 Posts: 1118 Credit: 598,303 RAC: 0 
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A thoughtful interview with Israeli sociologist Eva Illouz in Der Spiegel a few days ago. Perhaps this might help in trying to gain some insight into the Israeli psyche. "Illouz: Where you see human beings, Israelis see enemies. In front of enemies, you close ranks, you unite in fear for your life, and you do not ponder about the fragility of the other. Israel has a split, schizophrenic self-awareness: It cultivates its strength and yet cannot stop seeing itself as weak and threatened." The Real Danger to Israel Comes from Within ID: 1556110 · |
Мишель  Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 
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Still refuse to answer WHAT YOU would do. Not what you WOULD NOT do. Not only are you lying about my answer to your question (I told you, I would make Hamas irrelevant) you are conveniently using such a lie to get away from having to answer your own bloody question! ID: 1556130 · |
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Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0
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That's a small comfort to the individuals on both sides that just want to live their lives instead of living in fear of a rocket or artillery shell landing on them. Or is the life of an individual not your concern but the collective is? Its not meant as a comfort, its meant as something to keep in mind so you don't oversimplify and over generalize over a billion people's motives and religion. Though even this is for the individuals concern. Oversimplifications and over-generalizations of groups of people dehumanizes them and makes it easier to inflict horrors upon them. Do you think it would have been so easy for Israel to bomb two thousand people with long range artillery if they were conscious of the fact that these were for the most part individuals with families, friends, hopes and dreams, instead of the faceless mass that wants you dead? Do you think Hamas would have such an easy time preaching hate against Israel if people were conscious of Israeli's not as a faceless oppressor but consisting of individuals, each with family and ambition? People you could have a drink with if this conflict wasn't a thing? This conflict got to were it is because both sides have reduced the other side to negative stereotypes instead of actual human beings. ID: 1556132 · |
Julie  Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 
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Thats just mopping with the water still running. Sure, you can try to 'defend' yourself, but that doesn't tackle the source of the problem. Nope, hide the innocent by all means. rOZZ Music Pictures ID: 1556143 · |
Sirius B  Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 
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"Iran has always been the element that tied (Sunni) Hamas and (Shiite) Hezbollah together. The Islamic Republic’s priority was to foster organizations that would be part of “resistance†against Israel and the West." 26th March 1979 "The main features of the agreement were the mutual recognition of each country by the other, the cessation of the state of war that had existed since the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, and the complete withdrawal by Israel of its armed forces and civilians from the rest of the Sinai Peninsula, which Israel had captured during the 1967 Six-Day War. The agreement also provided for the free passage of Israeli ships through the Suez Canal and recognition of the Strait of Tiran and the Gulf of Aqaba as international waterways. The agreement notably made Egypt the first Arab country to officially recognize Israel. The peace agreement between Egypt and Israel has remained in effect since the treaty was signed." "The treaty was extremely unpopular in most of the Arab World and the wider Muslim World. In 1979, the Arab League suspended Egypt in the wake of the Egyptian–Israel peace agreement, and the League moved its headquarters from Cairo to Tunis." No wonder Israel has been in a constant state of "Stand To" & who can blame them! ID: 1556163 · |
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Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18
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Therefore. One ... Don't frighten me Clyde... There's a thin line between love and hate, would there be a thin line between good and evil too? rOZZ Music Pictures ID: 1556238 · |
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Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7
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Still refuse to answer WHAT YOU would do. Not what you WOULD NOT do. There is no answer to that, not unless you want to stop breathing! ID: 1556242 · |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20283 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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Do you have an answer? Encourage a religion that shows a better way for all. Better and unbiased education can help also. All in our only one world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1556312 · |
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Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18
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Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0
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Мишель... That would require an understanding of WHY Hamas, ISIS and the 'local criminals' are doing the things they do. Unless you believe they just do these things because they are evil for the sake of evil, you would understand that their behavior has a root cause. Once you find out the reason why people do certain things, you can either give in to what they want/need or provide them a superior alternative. In the case of ISIS, its fairly easy, you just need to make sure that the Iraqi government takes better care of the interests of the Sunni people in Iraq. If you do that they will cease supporting brutal barbarians like ISIS and it just becomes a matter for the army to clean them out. With Hamas, you need to focus on what the Palestinian people want and give them a superior alternative to whatever Hamas offers. Shouldn't be hard given that Hamas offers the people nothing but hollow words and phrases. Waving guns in peoples faces and trying to prevent them from getting what they want may at first work but it will soon give Hamas the reputation of common thugs among the people and they will rapidly start to lose their support from the locals. In the end, Hamas and ISIS are political movements and the rules of politics still apply to them. As long as they come the closest to what people want, they will keep their support, but as soon as someone comes along with something better, they lose that support and they become irrelevant like so many political movements before them. Guns or not. As for local criminals, the point there is not to make the criminal himself irrelevant, but the act of committing a crime irrelevant. In other words, change the perceived cost/benefit ratio in such a way that the costs outweigh the benefits. One way is through repression, although that has proven to be ineffective, a better way is through poverty relief. No one who has a job that pays well enough and allows him or her access to a decent lifestyle will bother with crime. It has become unnecessary, ineffective and thus an irrelevant method of accumulating wealth. Also, you still haven't answered your own question. How would you stop Hamas. ID: 1556318 · |
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Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7
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Why a religion at all?Do you have an answer? Better and unbiased education can help also.Agree 100% ID: 1556322 · |
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Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18
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Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7
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Do you have an answer? In that case, you will always have someone that will "use" that religion for their own ends, back to square one! ID: 1556329 · |
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Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18
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Do you have an answer? I know, people who want to 'dominate', so awful! I really feel for those people living in Palestine...:( rOZZ Music Pictures ID: 1556332 · |
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Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7
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Do you have an answer? I feel for the whole of the Middle East. Have many customers from many of the countries there. The majority of them really are nice people (especially the females :-) ). ID: 1556337 · |
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W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19057 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67
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This isn't going to help, BBC, Breaking News - Gaza rocket 'launched on Israel' Rocket fired from Gaza lands in southern Israel hours before the expiry of three-day ceasefire, police say ID: 1556351 · |
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Hev Send message Joined: 4 Jun 05 Posts: 1118 Credit: 598,303 RAC: 0
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This isn't going to help, BBC, Breaking News - Gaza rocket 'launched on Israel' Israeli police says Hamas did. Hamas says it didn't. Hamas says it will extend the ceasefire CBC news ID: 1556385 · |
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30646 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32
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Do you have an answer? No they don't, or shouldn't. At least I thought we, humans, were well beyond the age of mysticism! If not, then the killing will continue unabated.
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