Clyde even if we did nuke Israel it would not exterminate the Jews ppl . There are plenty of Jews in other country's and i have no prob with them there not causing problem in the country's they live .

So all though i was joking maybe it's not such a joke after all those in Israel can leave and come back when all the trouble maker are gone and build Israel again without future problems . But so long as you have a ppl trying to build a country when they are surrounded by those that will do anything to stop them there will never be piece as Religion is as much to blame and anything else in this conflict

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Clyde even if we did nuke Israel it would not exterminate the Jews ppl . There are plenty of Jews in other country's and i have no prob with them there not causing problem in the country's they live .

So all though i was joking maybe it's not such a joke after all those in Israel can leave and come back when all the trouble maker are gone and build Israel again without future problems . But so long as you have a ppl trying to build a country when they are surrounded by those that will do anything to stop them there will never be piece as Religion is as much to blame and anything else in this conflict

I don't really see the humour in murdering millions of people. Maybe that's just me.

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The munitions have been stored there for a few years

so this doesn't sound anything like a recent sale, much more like a memo to update inventory status.

also wonder if that "storage" is even a US facility, Wiki only lists one US base in Israel and sat photos don't show revetments for $1B in weapons storage there. It does show some pretty tall antenna masts.

Israel has a very large munitions industry itself so it really doesn't have to rely on outside suppliers.

Cheers.

Wiggo, does this count as part of Israel's munitions industry? Looks like it makes it's own drones anyway.

stocks rise for Israeli drone maker as Gaza slaughter continues

The munitions have been stored there for a few years

so this doesn't sound anything like a recent sale, much more like a memo to update inventory status.

also wonder if that "storage" is even a US facility, Wiki only lists one US base in Israel and sat photos don't show revetments for $1B in weapons storage there. It does show some pretty tall antenna masts.

Israel has a very large munitions industry itself so it really doesn't have to rely on outside suppliers.

Cheers.

Wiggo, does this count as part of Israel's munitions industry? Looks like it makes it's own drones anyway.

stocks rise for Israeli drone maker as Gaza slaughter continues

That's just 1 of many Hev.

Cheers.

Well maybe you should call others out whom have tried to lighten the mode in this thread

eg. http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=75211&postid=1550347

Es99

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Well maybe you should call others out whom have tried to lighten the mode in this thread

eg. http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=75211&postid=1550347

Es99

Sorry? Are you asking me to go back and comment on every single bad taste joke made? I just don't have the time or the inclination I am afraid.

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The munitions have been stored there for a few years

so this doesn't sound anything like a recent sale, much more like a memo to update inventory status.

also wonder if that "storage" is even a US facility, Wiki only lists one US base in Israel and sat photos don't show revetments for $1B in weapons storage there. It does show some pretty tall antenna masts.

Israel has a very large munitions industry itself so it really doesn't have to rely on outside suppliers.

Cheers.

Wiggo, does this count as part of Israel's munitions industry? Looks like it makes it's own drones anyway.

stocks rise for Israeli drone maker as Gaza slaughter continues

http://www.imi-israel.com/
http://www.israel-weapon.com/
http://www.ashot.co.il/
http://www.imi-israel.com/home/doc.aspx?mcatid=63212
The last of which I note could be the maker of the shells that Israel "bought" from the USA. No wonder they are stored in Israel!

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The munitions have been stored there for a few years

so this doesn't sound anything like a recent sale, much more like a memo to update inventory status.

also wonder if that "storage" is even a US facility, Wiki only lists one US base in Israel and sat photos don't show revetments for $1B in weapons storage there. It does show some pretty tall antenna masts.

Israel has a very large munitions industry itself so it really doesn't have to rely on outside suppliers.

Cheers.

Wiggo, does this count as part of Israel's munitions industry? Looks like it makes it's own drones anyway.

stocks rise for Israeli drone maker as Gaza slaughter continues

http://www.imi-israel.com/
http://www.israel-weapon.com/
http://www.ashot.co.il/
http://www.imi-israel.com/home/doc.aspx?mcatid=63212
The last of which I note could be the maker of the shells that Israel "bought" from the USA. No wonder they are stored in Israel!

Israel does get weapons and tanks from the United States.
United States, always supports Israel.

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Looks like it makes it's own drones anyway.

The IAF has been developing drones since the early 1970's. Used to great effect during Operation Mole Cricket 19, in 1982

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Hello everyone :) Sorry for the delay Sirius. Had to unblock a drain... a bit whiffier than I usually am but hopefully the gorilla won't mind :)

...here is the 500lb gorilla...

However, with Islam having 25% of the world's population, where are those nations condemnation? Where is the consolidation into one people to put a stop to what is happening?

...hmm, is it because they much prefer $$$ like Quatar & Fifa in the disgusting situation regarding the 2022 World Cup? Not paying their foreign workers for over 5 months with some not being paid for a year & those workers living in camps with squalid conditions?.

And here are some bananas :) There are a lot out there, but you have to really look for them :/ I will cite just a couple of examples (in addition to those you've raised above) because in many ways this gorilla may need a thread of it's own (given how bound and tied and gagged it is). Okay... this is basically the issue... the people are protesting... but their governments are not.

Report dated July 20th
Indian troops open fire on protesters who clash with security forces during demonstration against Gaza operation

Dozens of protesters have been injured in the protests against the Israeli military campaign in Gaza.
The protests have been occurring on an almost daily basis in the Kashmir valley, which has been at the center of a quarter-century revolt against Indian rule.
The fighting, and India’s tense relations with nuclear-armed rival Pakistan, have made Kashmir one of the most militarized zones in the world and has left tens of thousands dead, mostly civilians.

Israel has long been a key arms supplier to the Indian government. Israel’s relations with Hindu-majority India have long been viewed with suspicion and hostility by the South Asian nation’s large Muslim minority.

India is also one of the top recipients of US aid...

Report dated July 14th
Worldwide protests against Israel's Gaza slaughter

Protests and demonstrations in support of Gaza took place in at least 38 countries, among them South Africa, Turkey, Indonesia, Afghanistan, Argentina, Egypt, Yemen, Nicaragua, Honduras, Brazil, Venezuela, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador, South Korea, Sweden, Syria, Pakistan, India, Ireland, Spain, Serbia, Mexico, Italy, Finland, the Netherlands, Japan — and Israel, where there were anti-war and anti-occupation protests in Tel Aviv.

Many Muslim nations in there... all in receipt of US "tied" aid as far as I have been able to determine - got a bit dizzy after reading so many examples of state-speak common to most "aid" packages with Muslim states... so not impossible I've missed something :/ Apologies if I have.

If we look at one of those in the list above...
Indonesia has the highest Muslim population in the world. Protests against Israel's Military Operation In Gaza (on July 11, 2014) in Yogyakarta, and in Jakarta (where women took part in a protest against Israel's air strikes on Gaza) were tagged by news agencies as "civil unrest". The government stayed silent. Why? It might be because it receives even more in "tied" defence aid than India does.

Here's another example of how "aid packages" tie the tongues of governments, and result in "civil unrest" amongst their people...

African Growth and Opportunity Act, signed into US law in 2000, is potentially even more sinister than tied aid. “If a country is to be eligible for AGOA, it has to refrain from any actions that may conflict with the US’s ‘strategic interests'".

The war against Iraq was of 'strategic interest' to the United States. As a result, several African members of the UN Security Council, including Cameroon, Guinea and Angola, were virtually held to ransom when the United States was seeking council support for the war in 2003. The message was clear: either they voted with the US or they lost their trade privileges.

Approximately one-third of US foreign aid is shared between Israel and Egypt... much of it in the form of "military credits" for foreign militaries to buy US weapons and equipment.

Of course - soon into this little bit of digging I came across a link to a specific and up-to-date page (within The U.S. Agency for International Development website) that looked like it would be a real fountain of knowledge with regards the breakdown of US aid by country and type and conditions and how it might be muzzling some nations - but it has, weirdly, disappeared. *disappointed blinking* Such a shame :( Seems to have gone the same way as that blog Hev was talking about. Never mind...this one is probably less reliable - but still interesting :)

And this report dated August 1st, addresses the deafening silence of governments all round the world
Saudi king condemns Gaza war but not Israel but money and arms speak louder than words sadly :( and the fingerprints of so many nations are everywhere :(

Is that enough bananas for now?

late edit: quick... before the edit window closes... :) I THINK you said something about why is it that all Muslims haven't united in one voice, Sirius? And I didn't answer it... We all know why - it's the age old problem that walks in step with religious faith and belief. For Muslims - the first split came almost as soon as the prophet erm... peace be upon him (don't want to get into trouble here :)) stopped breathing...

Very interesting post Anniet.

Very interesting post indeed, anniet. Plenty more digging to do I think...

As was pointed out on The Daily Show

do you understand the word satire?

Never watched the Daily Show did you? Its particular form of satire is not through exaggerating, but by simply cutting away all the BS 'trusted' new sources add to their reports of the news. Its funny because its true.

Excellent post Annie. Welcome to the 21st century(& the 18th/19th/20th). The people no longer get a say in the issues that count & should we protest, we get labelled bolshie/anarchist/unwashed by those who seek their own gratification under the pretence that they're doing what they can to better their country.

Pure B/S as all they're doing is protecting what they have & not allowing others to achieve the same.

Too many in today's society have their heads stuck up their ass & fail to see the world around them.

It's even been highlighted on this thread...

Sirius B stated: -

Conflict breaks out & it's best stopped ASAP. If not, then one side or the other has to be the victor/vanquished

Mikhail stated: -

When better people than now get to call the shots. Or when one side is dead. Whichever comes first.

After all Winterknight & I have been saying, he's now saying that? After all his statements disagreeing with us?

That's just on this forum, now take that & send it up the ladder, be it a religious or political one.

To paraphrase the Yanks...

...We the people have no say in the matter!

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Getting back to reality, here is an amazing summary of the people living in Gaza:


The reasons why Gaza's population is so young

The population density of the Gaza Strip has been disputed, but in comparison with other cities, Gaza City, with a population of around 750,000, is undoubtedly a densely populated urban area.

This goes some way to explaining the high numbers of casualties in the current conflict. ... with children accounting for at least 245 of the deaths. But why so many children? It turns out that there are unusual features about the population structure in Gaza that make it an enigma in the modern world.

First, the Gaza Strip's population of roughly 1.8 million has an unusually large proportion of children. ... 43.5 per cent of the population is aged 14 or under, compared with 32 per cent in Egypt and 27 per cent in Israel.

The median age in Gaza is 18, compared with a world average of 28. In most European countries it's about 40, and it is 30 in Israel. Only in a dozen or so African countries is the median age lower, reaching 15 in Uganda.

So why are there so many children in Gaza? Demographers say it's a combination of unusual factors...

... the fertility rate in Gaza, 4.4 children per woman, is among the highest in the world. That has steadily fallen from a peak of 8.3 children per woman in 1991...

... "Traditionally, men will get extra wages if they have extra children."...

... In most countries, the birth rate usually falls hand in hand with better education and more career opportunities for women, but the pattern in Gaza fails to follow this pattern.

A study published in 2006 found that despite high educational achievement among Gazan women – all have at least nine years of schooling – and relatively low and constant infant mortality rates at around 25 per 1000 births, few ... pursue independent careers. ...

"Palestinian women are not having lots of children because they don't know about contraception, or can't access contraception," says Sara Randall, an anthropologist at University College London, who co-authored the 2006 investigation. "So one has to conclude that they actually want lots of children."...

... "Whether the phenomenally high fertility levels in Gaza are also a more long-term response to political oppression and a perceived need to increase the numbers of Palestinians cannot be inferred from the data available, but it certainly seems to be a plausible hypothesis," ...

... "There have been statements from Hamas urging women to have more children to create a larger army," he says.



Gaza conflict will traumatise a generation of children

... As well as the death toll and obvious physical damage, [the] attacks will leave a severe psychological mark on Gaza's surviving children...

... the toll on mental health tends to be exacerbated by poverty, which is endemic in Gaza. "It's a double whammy for many of them. They are affected by how their parents respond, by the provision of basic needs, if there's a sense of helplessness," he says. All of this depends on the economic situation and a million of Gaza's 1.8 million residents depend on food aid for their survival, according to the United Nations.




How do we overcome the politics and exploitation of perpetual conflict to instead enjoy cooperation or even integration?

The conflict is arbitrary. There can be lasting peace with a genuine will for lasting cooperation.

Is that possible in the Holy Lands? Where are the churches/mosques in the politics of all of this?...



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A study published in 2006 found that despite high educational achievement among Gazan women – all have at least nine years of schooling

Interesting that a grammar school education is considered high achievement.

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"When they destroy your mosques, call your prayers from our churches" Father Manuel Musallam

Solidarity between Christian minority and Muslim majority is growing in Gaza as both suffer under the Israeli offensive, with churches sheltering all religions and prayers being offered up on all sides

After all Winterknight & I have been saying, he's now saying that? After all his statements disagreeing with us?

Clearly the English language is beyond your comprehension. How sad...

Getting back to reality, here is an amazing summary of the people living in Gaza:

your reality by chance?

The reasons why Gaza's population is so young

Just what does that have to do with the conflict?

Gaza conflict will traumatise a generation of children

As it has in the past, will do in the present & unless put to a stop completely, will do so in the future. So your point is?

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After all Winterknight & I have been saying, he's now saying that? After all his statements disagreeing with us?

Clearly the English language is beyond your comprehension. How sad...

Clearly you have no regards for anybody that does not match your ideals, you'll make an excellent "out of touch" politician.

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After all Winterknight & I have been saying, he's now saying that? After all his statements disagreeing with us?

Clearly the English language is beyond your comprehension. How sad...

Clearly you have no regards for anybody that does not match your ideals, you'll make an excellent "out of touch" politician.

How you come to such generalizing conclusions is beyond me.

While you might wonder the same about how I was able to draw the conclusion of your English language skills, I actually have proof. For one, you attributed a completely different meaning to the post where I said that the conflict would end when one side is dead and a completely different meaning to all my posts arguing against Winterknights love for reenacting the artillery duels of the Western front in Gaza city. If however, you had a basic understanding of the English language, you wouldn't have attributed those claims to me.

Secondly, there have been numerous examples of you writing down some English sentences that look like they were pulled from Google translate. Weird sentence structures, unusual word order, etc.

Generalizing claim, or valid observation following a detailed study of the things you have posted on this forum? :)

... "There have been statements from Hamas urging women to have more children to create a larger army," he says.

teach your children to teach their children to kill and hate ....

at this point this conflict will only end with the utter defeat of one side or the other.

the question is which side do you want as your neighbor after it is over?

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