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Message 1551088 - Posted: 1 Aug 2014, 20:33:12 UTC - in response to Message 1551079.  

There was one, but it got broken 90 minutes later.
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Message 1551126 - Posted: 1 Aug 2014, 21:40:15 UTC - in response to Message 1551088.  

There was one, but it got broken 90 minutes later.



Oh my frr God, how is it possible!!?
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Message 1551133 - Posted: 1 Aug 2014, 21:46:45 UTC - in response to Message 1551126.  

There was one, but it got broken 90 minutes later.



Oh my frr God, how is it possible!!?


I think over the kidnapping of the Israeli soldier.
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Message 1551135 - Posted: 1 Aug 2014, 21:49:18 UTC - in response to Message 1551126.  

There was one, but it got broken 90 minutes later.



Oh my frr God, how is it possible!!?

Because the people who call the shots on both sides do not stand to benefit from any cease fire. So neither side has a real need to commit to any cease fire. Sadly, the innocent civilians are caught in the middle of this.
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Message 1551139 - Posted: 1 Aug 2014, 21:55:53 UTC - in response to Message 1551135.  

There was one, but it got broken 90 minutes later.



Oh my frr God, how is it possible!!?

Because the people who call the shots on both sides do not stand to benefit from any cease fire. So neither side has a real need to commit to any cease fire. Sadly, the innocent civilians are caught in the middle of this.


:'(
Where will it end?
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Message 1551140 - Posted: 1 Aug 2014, 21:56:22 UTC - in response to Message 1550991.  
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Ok. Now I understand.

Israel = NAZI Germany (some posts comparing).

Saying that Hamas, and The Jihadists, who continually make NAZI like statements: Means the person who compares THEM to Their Hero(s): Is also a NAZI! (Another posting)

We DO understand the Foundation of these Poster's belief(s).

The tide is turning against them (I hope).

The Jewish People are FINALLY fighting back against this EVIL, and it will be ugly (as it always is).

The Jewish People are ignoring the protester's who support, or apologize for, this NAZI LOVING EVIL.

Thank God!

It seems to me that you are one of those that believe that Israel can do no wrong because to criticise Israel is to somehow support Nazism. Yet you don't understand that the Nazi's came to power because of people like you who did not speak out when something so obviously wrong and terrible was happening.

Is it because the victims are not white that you are struggling so much to feel any empathy for them?

Es99...

Never said Israeli can do no wrong. If you read my Post's, I have said the opposite.

Why this misinformation on your part? I know the reason.

NAZI's came to power because of people like me?


People like you who saw an obvious injustice and made excuses for it and blamed the victims.

Another case of calculated misinformation. I again know the reason.

Is that right, Clyde? You insult me and imply I'm a Nazi sympathiser because I think Israel is clearly in the wrong right now and you then go on to make other veiled insults?

The victims are non-white. Therefore... Are you speaking of by Black Grandchildren and a WONDERFUL Black Son-in-Law?

Imagine your black grandchildren are being murdered and ripped apart while the murderers claim they were asking for it and perhaps you might get some insight into why some of us are so upset right now. Imagine your grandchildren are playing soccer on the beach. Imagine your grandchildren being torn apart by missiles in front of you. Imagine that, Clyde. Imagine how that would make you feel about the people that did it. Imagine your terrified grandchildren hiding in a school where they are told they are safe. Imagine them being shredded like raw meat by tank fire. Then tell me that Israel are right to do that to other people's dear grandchildren. Tell me again how it is ok and then try to convince me that you are not an wicked person.

There is (fill in the blank) in your heart by speaking of me like that.

No, I will not press 'The Red X' because I wish other's to understand you.

You should be ashamed of yourself.


Despite your many offensive, insulting and rude posts, I have let your opinions stand for what they are. It is not me who should be ashamed of myself.
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Message 1551146 - Posted: 1 Aug 2014, 22:00:23 UTC - in response to Message 1551139.  

:'(
Where will it end?

When better people than now get to call the shots. Or when one side is dead. Whichever comes first.
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Message 1551150 - Posted: 1 Aug 2014, 22:07:00 UTC - in response to Message 1551146.  

:'(
Where will it end?

When better people than now get to call the shots. Or when one side is dead. Whichever comes first.


What happened to solving things in a 'civilized' manner this war has been going on my whole youth, As long as I live, those people are in war! Relax Julie, nothing you can do about it...
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Message 1551154 - Posted: 1 Aug 2014, 22:28:18 UTC - in response to Message 1551150.  

What happened to solving things in a 'civilized' manner this war has been going on my whole youth, As long as I live, those people are in war! Relax Julie, nothing you can do about it...

Like I said, the people who are calling the shots don't stand to benefit from solving things like that.

Look don't be fooled by what either Hamas or Israel says. Israel is not really interested in destroying Hamas. Why? Well, look at how the people in power benefit. In a few weeks, the government's approval ratings are skyrocketing. Who is now still talking about the fact that many Israelis cannot afford housing? Or what they are doing to all the immigrants from Africa they are deporting from the country? Or even the fact that some Jewish extremists kidnapped and tortured some Palestinian kid before burning him alive and Israels subsequent crappy response? By the time this conflict ends in a few weeks, everyone will have forgotten about all those things. And you can be sure that after this, Israels supporters will write Israel a big fat check. Its not even Israels tax payers that are paying for this conflict, it are American and European taxpayers that do.

And Hamas? Do you really think they have any interest in actually destroying Israel? Of course not, thats just talk. But by provoking Israel in wide scale destruction and killing, they will ensure that money and materials will be send into Gaza after this is over, which they can impound and use for their own purposes. And all the young men who lost their families and friends, and whose culture pushes them into screaming for vengeance. Easy targets for Hamas recruiters.

See how by using military force, both Israel and Hamas are keeping the dynamic of this conflict going? This just goes to show, that this problem cannot be solved through violence, but that the ones in power benefit from the conflict and are thus unlikely to change it.
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Message 1551159 - Posted: 1 Aug 2014, 22:42:10 UTC - in response to Message 1550966.  

Is it because the victims are not white that you are struggling so much to feel any empathy for them?
Arabs aren't white? Can there be white Arabs like there are white Hispanics?

From left to right where does white start?

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Message 1551164 - Posted: 1 Aug 2014, 23:23:18 UTC
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Hello everyone :) Sorry for the delay Sirius. Had to unblock a drain... a bit whiffier than I usually am but hopefully the gorilla won't mind :)

...here is the 500lb gorilla...

However, with Islam having 25% of the world's population, where are those nations condemnation? Where is the consolidation into one people to put a stop to what is happening?

...hmm, is it because they much prefer $$$ like Quatar & Fifa in the disgusting situation regarding the 2022 World Cup? Not paying their foreign workers for over 5 months with some not being paid for a year & those workers living in camps with squalid conditions?.


And here are some bananas :) There are a lot out there, but you have to really look for them :/ I will cite just a couple of examples (in addition to those you've raised above) because in many ways this gorilla may need a thread of it's own (given how bound and tied and gagged it is). Okay... this is basically the issue... the people are protesting... but their governments are not.

Report dated July 20th
Indian troops open fire on protesters who clash with security forces during demonstration against Gaza operation

Dozens of protesters have been injured in the protests against the Israeli military campaign in Gaza.
The protests have been occurring on an almost daily basis in the Kashmir valley, which has been at the center of a quarter-century revolt against Indian rule.
The fighting, and India’s tense relations with nuclear-armed rival Pakistan, have made Kashmir one of the most militarized zones in the world and has left tens of thousands dead, mostly civilians.

Israel has long been a key arms supplier to the Indian government. Israel’s relations with Hindu-majority India have long been viewed with suspicion and hostility by the South Asian nation’s large Muslim minority.

India is also one of the top recipients of US aid...

Report dated July 14th
Worldwide protests against Israel's Gaza slaughter

Protests and demonstrations in support of Gaza took place in at least 38 countries, among them South Africa, Turkey, Indonesia, Afghanistan, Argentina, Egypt, Yemen, Nicaragua, Honduras, Brazil, Venezuela, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador, South Korea, Sweden, Syria, Pakistan, India, Ireland, Spain, Serbia, Mexico, Italy, Finland, the Netherlands, Japan — and Israel, where there were anti-war and anti-occupation protests in Tel Aviv.


Many Muslim nations in there... all in receipt of US "tied" aid as far as I have been able to determine - got a bit dizzy after reading so many examples of state-speak common to most "aid" packages with Muslim states... so not impossible I've missed something :/ Apologies if I have.

If we look at one of those in the list above...
Indonesia has the highest Muslim population in the world. Protests against Israel's Military Operation In Gaza (on July 11, 2014) in Yogyakarta, and in Jakarta (where women took part in a protest against Israel's air strikes on Gaza) were tagged by news agencies as "civil unrest". The government stayed silent. Why? It might be because it receives even more in "tied" defence aid than India does.

Here's another example of how "aid packages" tie the tongues of governments, and result in "civil unrest" amongst their people...

African Growth and Opportunity Act, signed into US law in 2000, is potentially even more sinister than tied aid. “If a country is to be eligible for AGOA, it has to refrain from any actions that may conflict with the US’s ‘strategic interests'".

The war against Iraq was of 'strategic interest' to the United States. As a result, several African members of the UN Security Council, including Cameroon, Guinea and Angola, were virtually held to ransom when the United States was seeking council support for the war in 2003. The message was clear: either they voted with the US or they lost their trade privileges.

Approximately one-third of US foreign aid is shared between Israel and Egypt... much of it in the form of "military credits" for foreign militaries to buy US weapons and equipment.

Of course - soon into this little bit of digging I came across a link to a specific and up-to-date page (within The U.S. Agency for International Development website) that looked like it would be a real fountain of knowledge with regards the breakdown of US aid by country and type and conditions and how it might be muzzling some nations - but it has, weirdly, disappeared. *disappointed blinking* Such a shame :( Seems to have gone the same way as that blog Hev was talking about. Never mind...this one is probably less reliable - but still interesting :)

And this report dated August 1st, addresses the deafening silence of governments all round the world
Saudi king condemns Gaza war but not Israel but money and arms speak louder than words sadly :( and the fingerprints of so many nations are everywhere :(

Is that enough bananas for now?

late edit: quick... before the edit window closes... :) I THINK you said something about why is it that all Muslims haven't united in one voice, Sirius? And I didn't answer it... We all know why - it's the age old problem that walks in step with religious faith and belief. For Muslims - the first split came almost as soon as the prophet erm... peace be upon him (don't want to get into trouble here :)) stopped breathing...
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Message 1551207 - Posted: 2 Aug 2014, 1:57:06 UTC - in response to Message 1551159.  

Is it because the victims are not white that you are struggling so much to feel any empathy for them?
Arabs aren't white? Can there be white Arabs like there are white Hispanics?

From left to right where does white start?

I think you know that racism is more complicated than that.

However, if you are suggesting that it isn't racism that causes people's hearts to harden against obvious injustice, what is it?
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Message 1551210 - Posted: 2 Aug 2014, 1:57:44 UTC - in response to Message 1551164.  

Hello everyone :) Sorry for the delay Sirius. Had to unblock a drain... a bit whiffier than I usually am but hopefully the gorilla won't mind :)

...here is the 500lb gorilla...

However, with Islam having 25% of the world's population, where are those nations condemnation? Where is the consolidation into one people to put a stop to what is happening?

...hmm, is it because they much prefer $$$ like Quatar & Fifa in the disgusting situation regarding the 2022 World Cup? Not paying their foreign workers for over 5 months with some not being paid for a year & those workers living in camps with squalid conditions?.


And here are some bananas :) There are a lot out there, but you have to really look for them :/ I will cite just a couple of examples (in addition to those you've raised above) because in many ways this gorilla may need a thread of it's own (given how bound and tied and gagged it is). Okay... this is basically the issue... the people are protesting... but their governments are not.

Report dated July 20th
Indian troops open fire on protesters who clash with security forces during demonstration against Gaza operation

Dozens of protesters have been injured in the protests against the Israeli military campaign in Gaza.
The protests have been occurring on an almost daily basis in the Kashmir valley, which has been at the center of a quarter-century revolt against Indian rule.
The fighting, and India’s tense relations with nuclear-armed rival Pakistan, have made Kashmir one of the most militarized zones in the world and has left tens of thousands dead, mostly civilians.

Israel has long been a key arms supplier to the Indian government. Israel’s relations with Hindu-majority India have long been viewed with suspicion and hostility by the South Asian nation’s large Muslim minority.

India is also one of the top recipients of US aid...

Report dated July 14th
Worldwide protests against Israel's Gaza slaughter

Protests and demonstrations in support of Gaza took place in at least 38 countries, among them South Africa, Turkey, Indonesia, Afghanistan, Argentina, Egypt, Yemen, Nicaragua, Honduras, Brazil, Venezuela, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador, South Korea, Sweden, Syria, Pakistan, India, Ireland, Spain, Serbia, Mexico, Italy, Finland, the Netherlands, Japan — and Israel, where there were anti-war and anti-occupation protests in Tel Aviv.


Many Muslim nations in there... all in receipt of US "tied" aid as far as I have been able to determine - got a bit dizzy after reading so many examples of state-speak common to most "aid" packages with Muslim states... so not impossible I've missed something :/ Apologies if I have.

If we look at one of those in the list above...
Indonesia has the highest Muslim population in the world. Protests against Israel's Military Operation In Gaza (on July 11, 2014) in Yogyakarta, and in Jakarta (where women took part in a protest against Israel's air strikes on Gaza) were tagged by news agencies as "civil unrest". The government stayed silent. Why? It might be because it receives even more in "tied" defence aid than India does.

Here's another example of how "aid packages" tie the tongues of governments, and result in "civil unrest" amongst their people...

African Growth and Opportunity Act, signed into US law in 2000, is potentially even more sinister than tied aid. “If a country is to be eligible for AGOA, it has to refrain from any actions that may conflict with the US’s ‘strategic interests'".

The war against Iraq was of 'strategic interest' to the United States. As a result, several African members of the UN Security Council, including Cameroon, Guinea and Angola, were virtually held to ransom when the United States was seeking council support for the war in 2003. The message was clear: either they voted with the US or they lost their trade privileges.

Approximately one-third of US foreign aid is shared between Israel and Egypt... much of it in the form of "military credits" for foreign militaries to buy US weapons and equipment.

Of course - soon into this little bit of digging I came across a link to a specific and up-to-date page (within The U.S. Agency for International Development website) that looked like it would be a real fountain of knowledge with regards the breakdown of US aid by country and type and conditions and how it might be muzzling some nations - but it has, weirdly, disappeared. *disappointed blinking* Such a shame :( Seems to have gone the same way as that blog Hev was talking about. Never mind...this one is probably less reliable - but still interesting :)

And this report dated August 1st, addresses the deafening silence of governments all round the world
Saudi king condemns Gaza war but not Israel but money and arms speak louder than words sadly :( and the fingerprints of so many nations are everywhere :(

Is that enough bananas for now?

late edit: quick... before the edit window closes... :) I THINK you said something about why is it that all Muslims haven't united in one voice, Sirius? And I didn't answer it... We all know why - it's the age old problem that walks in step with religious faith and belief. For Muslims - the first split came almost as soon as the prophet erm... peace be upon him (don't want to get into trouble here :)) stopped breathing...

Very interesting post Anniet.
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Message 1551238 - Posted: 2 Aug 2014, 3:02:27 UTC - in response to Message 1551213.  

As was pointed out on The Daily Show

do you understand the word satire?
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Message 1551255 - Posted: 2 Aug 2014, 3:34:12 UTC

As was pointed out on The Daily Show

do you understand the word satire?


Hi Gary :) Posted the link below earlier in the week...

How America Finances the Destruction in Gaza—and the Cleanup


No satire...

Es, you said:
Very interesting post Anniet.

Isn't it!? Sadly I haven't done the subject full justice :( But the amount of dirt I picked up under my fingernails in just a brief scratch at the surface was bound to hamper my typing skills I suppose :/

This (of yours) needed to be said I think :)
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Message 1551266 - Posted: 2 Aug 2014, 3:54:01 UTC - in response to Message 1551255.  

As was pointed out on The Daily Show

do you understand the word satire?


Hi Gary :) Posted the link below earlier in the week...

How America Finances the Destruction in Gaza—and the Cleanup


No satire...

Mother Jones, unlike CNN, and those who quoted their report without fact checking it, seems to have it right. The USA doesn't sell ammo. It may pay the bill and allow the export, but private companies sell the ammo. Of course if like CNN you want to editorialize in your news ...
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Message 1551288 - Posted: 2 Aug 2014, 4:44:03 UTC
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U.S. Gives Israel More Grenades and Mortar Rounds for Gaza Offensive
"The United States allowed Israel to access the strategic stockpile anyway to resupply itself with 40mm grenades and 120mm mortar rounds to deplete older stocks that would eventually need to be refreshed."

"Separately, U.S. lawmakers were working in Congress to provide millions of dollars in additional funding for Israel's "Iron Dome" missile shield.

The U.S. Senate Appropriations Committee added $225 million for Iron Dome to a spending bill intended mainly to provide money to handle an influx of thousands of Central American children across the U.S.-Mexico border."

US condemns shelling of UN school in Gaza but restocks Israeli ammunition

White House issues unusually strong rebuke after 16 deaths
But Pentagon confirms that US resupplied Israel with ammunition

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Message 1551294 - Posted: 2 Aug 2014, 5:18:23 UTC

The munitions have been stored there for a few years

so this doesn't sound anything like a recent sale, much more like a memo to update inventory status.

also wonder if that "storage" is even a US facility, Wiki only lists one US base in Israel and sat photos don't show revetments for $1B in weapons storage there. It does show some pretty tall antenna masts.
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Message 1551299 - Posted: 2 Aug 2014, 5:34:40 UTC - in response to Message 1551294.  

The munitions have been stored there for a few years

so this doesn't sound anything like a recent sale, much more like a memo to update inventory status.

also wonder if that "storage" is even a US facility, Wiki only lists one US base in Israel and sat photos don't show revetments for $1B in weapons storage there. It does show some pretty tall antenna masts.

Israel has a very large munitions industry itself so it really doesn't have to rely on outside suppliers.

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Message 1551301 - Posted: 2 Aug 2014, 5:41:29 UTC - in response to Message 1551292.  
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I do understand that when SOME people are on the losing end of an argument. They start calling people Possible Racist's and other names to deflect from their being on the wrong side.

Well Clyde, it is you that went there first.

I do understand you will never regret insinuating innocent people are (fill in the blank). Never expected you would.

I do understand you believe equating NAZI Loving Hamas to Israel, is not offensive, insulting, rude, and much more, to the Jewish People. Well it is.

I have no idea what you are talking about.
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