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Message 1549937 - Posted: 30 Jul 2014, 16:25:41 UTC - in response to Message 1549933.  

First can you explain the difference between a zionist and a Israely . so i take it then you have herd of it ?
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Message 1549940 - Posted: 30 Jul 2014, 16:29:30 UTC

i'm not being funny i don't understand the diference between a Zionist and a Israely isn't it the same thing?
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Message 1549950 - Posted: 30 Jul 2014, 16:37:39 UTC - in response to Message 1549940.  
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i'm not being funny i don't understand the diference between a Zionist and a Israely isn't it the same thing?



Apparently not:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

Zionists are far more extreme than Israelis.
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Message 1549958 - Posted: 30 Jul 2014, 17:03:16 UTC

ok i think i know who you mean i know them as the orthodox jews the 1's that throw stones at you if you drive a car on the sabbath the 1's that tryd to put the corner stone of Solomons temple at the temple mount. is that who you mean ?

what if your wrong Batter up what if that story is correct .What will happen when you get rid of the palistinians and build Solomons temple at the temple mount and remove the muslim grave yard from in front of the golden gate and remove the stones so Jesus can walk through . And it doesn't happen Jesus doesn't come. what then how do you justifie what you have done

I am the morning star is what Jesus said on the cross just before he died you and i know excatly what that means .

so go back to the last part of my post and i ask you does that part make more cents than what is being done now ?


I will end this by saying why would anybody want the end of the world to come as that is what will happen when Jesus comes back to judge us all only 120,000 will be saved so wouldn't it be better to live in piece and not have Jesus come back to judge us as that would mean we are doing the right thing pity people don't think these days and have eyes and ears and mouths closed .The good book does tell us all the truth is out there you only need to look


as a rabbi it falls on you to tell the truth and if you don't know what that is then find out before it's to late for you .
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Message 1549988 - Posted: 30 Jul 2014, 17:31:46 UTC - in response to Message 1549940.  

i'm not being funny i don't understand the diference between a Zionist and a Israely isn't it the same thing?
Zionist are not religious and have established a Jewish state without the Anointed. They are now ruling a false Jewish state which is against the the will of G-d.


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Message 1550006 - Posted: 30 Jul 2014, 17:42:58 UTC - in response to Message 1549994.  

You're falling into the trap by allowing others to Hi-Jack this Board, and not allowing the real discussion:
I'm just pointing out that it is not a religious conflict for the Zionists which many don't understand. I have no dog in this fight. I'm just stating FACTS that are usually totally ignored on this supposed forum.

That is all; carry on.
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Message 1550038 - Posted: 30 Jul 2014, 18:45:17 UTC - in response to Message 1549994.  
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i'm not being funny i don't understand the diference between a Zionist and a Israely isn't it the same thing?
Zionist are not religious and have established a Jewish state without the Anointed. They are now ruling a false Jewish state which is against the the will of G-d.


Batter Up...

You're falling into the trap by allowing others to Hi-Jack this Board, and not allowing the real discussion:

For The Jihadist's, against the Palestinian People, and allowing the slaughter of the Jewish People.

Or on the side fighting against this EVIL (Hamas).

I find this strange interpretation of events in Gaza.

Palestinian deaths: 1,118 dead, including at least 827 civilians, among them 243 children.
Israeli deaths: 53 soldiers

So Clyde, look at these numbers and tell me who is slaughtering who right now.
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Message 1550047 - Posted: 30 Jul 2014, 18:52:29 UTC - in response to Message 1550038.  

i'm not being funny i don't understand the diference between a Zionist and a Israely isn't it the same thing?
Zionist are not religious and have established a Jewish state without the Anointed. They are now ruling a false Jewish state which is against the the will of G-d.


Batter Up...

You're falling into the trap by allowing others to Hi-Jack this Board, and not allowing the real discussion:

For The Jihadist's, against the Palestinian People, and allowing the slaughter of the Jewish People.

Or on the side fighting against this EVIL (Hamas).

I find this strange interpretation of events in Gaza.

Palestinian deaths: 1,118 dead, including at least 827 civilians, among them 243 children.
Israeli deaths: 53 soldiers

So Clyde, look at these numbers and tell me who is slaughtering who right now.


+1 :(
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Message 1550055 - Posted: 30 Jul 2014, 19:01:09 UTC - in response to Message 1550038.  

Palestinian deaths: 1,118 dead, including at least 827 civilians, among them 243 children.
Israeli deaths: 53 soldiers

What would the numbers be without Iron Dome?

Would the numbers without Iron Dome show the actual murderous intent of each side?
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Message 1550068 - Posted: 30 Jul 2014, 19:23:16 UTC - in response to Message 1550060.  

What are the so-called palestinians in Gaza complain about? They voted for Hamas terrorism in the 2006 election. They got exactly what they voted for.

Now when they have to reap the result of their democratic choice, they complain, and pretend to be innocent civilians. Innocent civilians doesn't support and vote for terrorists, and yes Hamas is interntationally recognized as a terrorist organization.

You reap what you sow. Simple as that. Too late to complain now.



What else could they do! Totally different culture we speak about, not like these people have a moment like, hm, who shall I choose... They do what they think is best...
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Message 1550079 - Posted: 30 Jul 2014, 19:39:57 UTC - in response to Message 1550038.  

i'm not being funny i don't understand the diference between a Zionist and a Israely isn't it the same thing?
Zionist are not religious and have established a Jewish state without the Anointed. They are now ruling a false Jewish state which is against the the will of G-d.


Batter Up...

You're falling into the trap by allowing others to Hi-Jack this Board, and not allowing the real discussion:

For The Jihadist's, against the Palestinian People, and allowing the slaughter of the Jewish People.

Or on the side fighting against this EVIL (Hamas).

I find this strange interpretation of events in Gaza.

Palestinian deaths: 1,118 dead, including at least 827 civilians, among them 243 children.
Israeli deaths: 53 soldiers

So Clyde, look at these numbers and tell me who is slaughtering who right now.


Here is an answer: -

Del-boy promises further aid

"But while calling for an unconditional, immediate ceasefire, we do have to be clear about a couple of points," Mr Cameron added.

"Yes, it is awful what is happening in Gaza and the loss of life, but we do have to remember, whenever we have had a ceasefire in the last few days, it has been a ceasefire that has been obeyed and observed by the Israelis but it has not been observed by Hamas.

"Hamas continue the rocket attacks that are not aimed at military targets or political targets. They are aimed, indiscriminately, into Israel in order to do the maximum damage they possibly can.

"And so we do have to understand that that has to stop in order for there to be a lasting ceasefire
," he said."
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Message 1550086 - Posted: 30 Jul 2014, 19:53:00 UTC
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Goodness me :) Everyone's been doing SO much chatting in my absence I'm a little behind :)

The maps kindly posted for us by Winterknight :)
if Israel had been allowed the land as drawn in 1922 the only bit we would now be talking about would be the Golan Heights.

That is SO true! Just as well someone came, at least partially anyway, to their senses :/ The refugee problem THAT version of the partition would have caused would've been even more ghastly given that Trans-Jordan's population was 90 percent Arab - Palestine's population was 68 percent Arab - and the Golan heights was already inhabited by a large quantity of Syrians. Really doesn't bear thinking about - not without LOTS of shudders :( Of course the latter problem was sorted by Israel when they occupied it in 1967 and drove out 130 thousand of it's original inhabitants... :(


My point was & still is, Palestine doesn't exist.

"The use of the name "Palestine" in English became more common after the European renaissance. It was officially revived by the British after the fall of the Ottoman Empire and applied to the territory that was placed under the Palestine Mandate."


Sirius :) Is that like saying Mozambique doesn't exist because it was formerly Portuguese East Africa, or Sri Lanka because it was Ceylon, or Malawi because it was Nyasaland etc etc? Does that also mean that the people who were living there at the time, had no right to continue living there when the name was changed?

An interesting - if slightly long read of the history and religion of Canaan :)

"170,000 Muslims killed by Muslims in Syria. no one gives a shyte.

Ahem! I most definitely DO give a um... what you said. Perhaps you should start a thread about it Sirius... but let's not forget that some of Syria's problems have their roots in the refugee crisis that was caused by the partition of Palestine and Israel's cleansing of it's provinces (and of the Golan heights). And we can't forget they have a murderous madman in charge either :( (Syria I mean - and they tend not to bring out the best in people who suffer at their hands)

Back to Gaza.

Drive people out of their homes then wall them in their millions into a tiny area of land... and they're going to start digging their way under or hurling things over it... and will maybe (shock horror) vote for someone who does.

Now that so much of Gaza's border areas have been flattened by Israel - perhaps Hamas should start aiming their rockets at the wall instead. What good Iron Dome then I wonder... and how "proportional" would Israel's response be?
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Message 1550087 - Posted: 30 Jul 2014, 19:58:47 UTC - in response to Message 1550076.  

What are the so-called palestinians in Gaza complain about? They voted for Hamas terrorism in the 2006 election. They got exactly what they voted for.

Now when they have to reap the result of their democratic choice, they complain, and pretend to be innocent civilians. Innocent civilians doesn't support and vote for terrorists, and yes Hamas is interntationally recognized as a terrorist organization.

You reap what you sow. Simple as that. Too late to complain now.



What else could they do! Totally different culture we speak about, not like these people have a moment like, hm, who shall I choose... They do what they think is best...


They had a choice you know, they could have voted for a number of other "parties", that was not terrorist "parties". It wasn't only a choice between Hamas or Fatah. There was for example "Independent Palestine", "Third Way", "Wa'ad", and many more choices.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_legislative_election,_2006


And as you and I have to deal with the consequences of our choices when we do what we think is best, so they too have to deal with the consequences of their choices.

Before people start to feel sorry for the so-called palestinians, perhaps it would be prudent, if they educated themselves about the choices these people made, that put them in the situation they are in now.

Again: You reap what you sow.



They can't educate theirselves the way the western world can!!

There was for example "Independent Palestine", "Third Way", "Wa'ad", and many more choices.


What did they know!

Before people start to feel sorry for the so-called palestinians, perhaps it would be prudent, if they educated themselves about the choices these people made, that put them in the situation they are in now.


I pray for those people right now...
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Message 1550090 - Posted: 30 Jul 2014, 20:03:22 UTC - in response to Message 1549908.  

Hamas is indistinguishable from the Palestinian people as a whole. They are one and the same.
Supporting a racist for elected office makes that somebody a racist.

Seriously? And you don't think their vote for Hamas might have had something to do with the fact that Hamas made certain very attractive promises (which they immediately forgot about after they won)? You don't think that in their desperation the people of Gaza voted for a group that promised to bring change where the traditional parties had failed for decades? You think the Palestinians like Hamas? Well I guess that is why Hamas is executing so many Palestinians who dare to speak out against them. Because ALL the Palestinians support Hamas and therefor ALL deserve to die.
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Message 1550093 - Posted: 30 Jul 2014, 20:05:50 UTC - in response to Message 1550090.  

Hamas is indistinguishable from the Palestinian people as a whole. They are one and the same.
Supporting a racist for elected office makes that somebody a racist.

Seriously? And you don't think their vote for Hamas might have had something to do with the fact that Hamas made certain very attractive promises (which they immediately forgot about after they won)? You don't think that in their desperation the people of Gaza voted for a group that promised to bring change where the traditional parties had failed for decades? You think the Palestinians like Hamas? Well I guess that is why Hamas is executing so many Palestinians who dare to speak out against them. Because ALL the Palestinians support Hamas and therefor ALL deserve to die.


And that's it! They don't! I object!
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Message 1550108 - Posted: 30 Jul 2014, 20:29:37 UTC - in response to Message 1550086.  

There already is a Syrian thread. If the texts of the bible had not been proved to be that old, I would state that the bible was a P.T Barnum production!

We have armchair politicians/generals here arguing the toss over proportionate/disproportionate responses thereby ignoring one major issue with both: - They both lead to un-necessary deaths, therefore as attacks are continuing which not only the UN but world leaders have stated Hamas ignores the ceasefires, Israel has every right to put a stop to them.

Over the past 30 years alone, the despicable deaths of women & children & dislodging of people from their homes by Muslims on Muslims within their own nations with the west not interfering but providing aid is disgusting!

When Israel kills a few in attempts to protect their homeland only to see international condemnation is mind boggling (or does the international community hate the Jews that much as their own histories have shown over the years).

There's a dog in the room not barking which nobody has mentioned: -

The Palestinians are disliked by most of the other Muslim nations...

...why is that?
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Message 1550115 - Posted: 30 Jul 2014, 20:38:06 UTC - in response to Message 1550108.  

There already is a Syrian thread. If the texts of the bible had not been proved to be that old, I would state that the bible was a P.T Barnum production!

We have armchair politicians/generals here arguing the toss over proportionate/disproportionate responses thereby ignoring one major issue with both: - They both lead to un-necessary deaths, therefore as attacks are continuing which not only the UN but world leaders have stated Hamas ignores the ceasefires, Israel has every right to put a stop to them.

Over the past 30 years alone, the despicable deaths of women & children & dislodging of people from their homes by Muslims on Muslims within their own nations with the west not interfering but providing aid is disgusting!

When Israel kills a few in attempts to protect their homeland only to see international condemnation is mind boggling (or does the international community hate the Jews that much as their own histories have shown over the years).

There's a dog in the room not barking which nobody has mentioned: -

The Palestinians are disliked by most of the other Muslim nations...

...why is that?


Can you provide a link for that?
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Message 1550116 - Posted: 30 Jul 2014, 20:39:15 UTC - in response to Message 1550115.  

There already is a Syrian thread. If the texts of the bible had not been proved to be that old, I would state that the bible was a P.T Barnum production!

We have armchair politicians/generals here arguing the toss over proportionate/disproportionate responses thereby ignoring one major issue with both: - They both lead to un-necessary deaths, therefore as attacks are continuing which not only the UN but world leaders have stated Hamas ignores the ceasefires, Israel has every right to put a stop to them.

Over the past 30 years alone, the despicable deaths of women & children & dislodging of people from their homes by Muslims on Muslims within their own nations with the west not interfering but providing aid is disgusting!

When Israel kills a few in attempts to protect their homeland only to see international condemnation is mind boggling (or does the international community hate the Jews that much as their own histories have shown over the years).

There's a dog in the room not barking which nobody has mentioned: -

The Palestinians are disliked by most of the other Muslim nations...

...why is that?


Can you provide a link for that?


Already have, suggest you read the reports I linked to.
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Message 1550118 - Posted: 30 Jul 2014, 20:45:31 UTC - in response to Message 1550116.  

There already is a Syrian thread. If the texts of the bible had not been proved to be that old, I would state that the bible was a P.T Barnum production!

We have armchair politicians/generals here arguing the toss over proportionate/disproportionate responses thereby ignoring one major issue with both: - They both lead to un-necessary deaths, therefore as attacks are continuing which not only the UN but world leaders have stated Hamas ignores the ceasefires, Israel has every right to put a stop to them.

Over the past 30 years alone, the despicable deaths of women & children & dislodging of people from their homes by Muslims on Muslims within their own nations with the west not interfering but providing aid is disgusting!

When Israel kills a few in attempts to protect their homeland only to see international condemnation is mind boggling (or does the international community hate the Jews that much as their own histories have shown over the years).

There's a dog in the room not barking which nobody has mentioned: -

The Palestinians are disliked by most of the other Muslim nations...

...why is that?


Can you provide a link for that?


Already have, suggest you read the reports I linked to.



That's just your opinion then in my book, I have my own opinions obviously.
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Message 1550123 - Posted: 30 Jul 2014, 20:49:07 UTC - in response to Message 1550118.  

Exactly, so why all the indignation against Israel? It is well known how Muslims treat each other, but when Jews do it to protect themselves...

...Best solution is to end it once & for all, no more indignation!

Terrible & how thoughtless of me? Really? Look to man's history therein lies the answers & we are supposed to be civilised

Even the animals in their kingdom do not kill the way we do!
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