If you really want to know what I know about the area and the attitude of the people there. Then consider that from 1967 till 1971 I was with 262 Signal Squadron, and combine that with Operation Shoveller and Black September.

As those Palestinians voted Hamas in by 80%, so they only have themselves to blame.

Oh that is cynical. You are placing all the responsibility with the victims while clearing the other party of any wrong doing.

You realize it works both ways. The Israelis voted for the Israeli government, the one responsible for keeping Hamas alive and relevant, and whose direct policies result in Hamas firing rockets at Israeli citizens. Therefore, all the people who are targeted by Hamas only got themselves to blame.

Well, since each side is completely and totally responsible for the death and the destruction the other side is causing, I guess we can all just turn our backs on them and let them murder each other. They both clearly want it after all.

ok sorry Sirius it's 144,000 not 120,000 doesn't matter but i'm only telling a story weather you listen i don't care but don't say you have never been told this story you have now .

That's all they ever were, bedtime stories to get the children to sleep.

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For a graduate, you really do need to travel the world & get your head out from under...

Answer the questions posed about the elephants in the room. You constantly avoid those, so where is the indignation for the women & children killed on a daily basis in Iraq, Syria, Libya by their own people?

By failing to answer those & continuously spout crap about the Israeli's disproportionate response shows you in an anti-Semitic light.

We are not talking about the war in Iraq, Syria or Libya. This thread is not about those conflicts. So really, you are saying I'm antisemitic because I don't go off topic?

Also I wasn't aware that not talking about conflicts that are not relevant to this topic I therefor automatically support the murder of innocent people in those conflict. Yeah, excellent use of logic right there. Perhaps instead of suggesting I travel the world more, you should enroll with a Uni.

As those Palestinians voted Hamas in by 80%, so they only have themselves to blame.

Oh that is cynical. You are placing all the responsibility with the victims while clearing the other party of any wrong doing.

You realize it works both ways. The Israelis voted for the Israeli government, the one responsible for keeping Hamas alive and relevant, and whose direct policies result in Hamas firing rockets at Israeli citizens. Therefore, all the people who are targeted by Hamas only got themselves to blame.

Well, since each side is completely and totally responsible for the death and the destruction the other side is causing, I guess we can all just turn our backs on them and let them murder each other. They both clearly want it after all.

Ah, but what happens when they do it your way?

Ah, that has already happened. too much peace so intellectuals & BHL's come up with a superb idea, lets consolidate the area into one big superstate & when achieved, let's expand elsewhere...

...oh dear, that did not work...

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For a graduate, you really do need to travel the world & get your head out from under...

Answer the questions posed about the elephants in the room. You constantly avoid those, so where is the indignation for the women & children killed on a daily basis in Iraq, Syria, Libya by their own people?

By failing to answer those & continuously spout crap about the Israeli's disproportionate response shows you in an anti-Semitic light.

We are not talking about the war in Iraq, Syria or Libya. This thread is not about those conflicts. So really, you are saying I'm antisemitic because I don't go off topic?

Also I wasn't aware that not talking about conflicts that are not relevant to this topic I therefor automatically support the murder of innocent people in those conflict. Yeah, excellent use of logic right there. Perhaps instead of suggesting I travel the world more, you should enroll with a Uni.

So if I track you down, launch a rocket against your family & friends, killing and maiming many, you want to sit down at a table & discuss the hows & whys? or better yet add to the killing by coming up with a proportionate response?

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Sirius i actually wish to here Batter ups thoughts about what i said i was not having a go at you or the catholic church otherwise i would tell of what i know about it and i know you and others will not like what i know so i will keep that to myself . i'm hoping Batter up being a Rabbi will understand what i am talking about and i am curious as to what he might say seeing as i suspect he does know of this story .

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Yep! War is hell friend & I've already stated this, if you attack another you suffer the consequences. This crap about proportional response is idiotic at best as all it does is kill. The best way to stop an attack is to make the other side know that it will cost them dearly.

After all, that is what war is!

The thing is that you don't suffer the consequences, 10 families do. Secondly, it should be abundantly clear by now that if Hamas shoots rockets, the Palestinian side suffers dearly for it. Hasn't helped one bit though. It never has.

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Understood Glenn. As for religion I'm not fussed one way or the other. Just feel that it is a sad reason to die before one's time & all because other beliefs hate yours.

I was working at 7-10 Old Bailey(Readers Digest) when the Old Bailey bombing occurred, I've seen what religion/terrorism accomplishes with further sights over the succeeding years.

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Yep! War is hell friend & I've already stated this, if you attack another you suffer the consequences. This crap about proportional response is idiotic at best as all it does is kill. The best way to stop an attack is to make the other side know that it will cost them dearly.

After all, that is what war is!

The thing is that you don't suffer the consequences, 10 families do. Secondly, it should be abundantly clear by now that if Hamas shoots rockets, the Palestinian side suffers dearly for it. Hasn't helped one bit though. It never has.

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Show me the difference between Palestinian and Hamas. There isn't one, not in the Gaza Strip there isn't.

The criminals there are those that fire and store weapons within the area's which should be safe havens for the children. And until you understand that then there is no hope.

Those that fire back, with proportionate response are doing the only thing possible, while these cowards hide behind the skirts of there mothers and sisters.

Yep! War is hell friend & I've already stated this, if you attack another you suffer the consequences. This crap about proportional response is idiotic at best as all it does is kill. The best way to stop an attack is to make the other side know that it will cost them dearly.

After all, that is what war is!

The thing is that you don't suffer the consequences, 10 families do. Secondly, it should be abundantly clear by now that if Hamas shoots rockets, the Palestinian side suffers dearly for it. Hasn't helped one bit though. It never has.

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Nobody should be + this for the simple fact is that the most obvious elephant in the room is not mentioned...

Regardless of who is right or wrong, whether it be terrorism or declared war, the innocent will always suffer. One would think that in the 21st century man will have learned this the hard way...

...it seems not!

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Hamas is indistinguishable from the Palestinian people as a whole. They are one and the same.
Supporting a racist for elected office makes that somebody a racist.

Hamas is indistinguishable from the Palestinian people as a whole. They are one and the same.
Supporting a racist for elected office makes that somebody a racist.

Tough question WK :\ I guess what we should consider the most is our own behaviour and the influence this gives on the outside world, after all, one small step...

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Hamas is indistinguishable from the Palestinian people as a whole. They are one and the same.
Supporting a racist for elected office makes that somebody a racist.

Tough question WK :\ I guess what we should consider the most is our own behaviour and the influence this gives on the outside world, after all, one small step...

But when the world takes one step forward, there is always those who dislike that & take two steps back.

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Hamas is indistinguishable from the Palestinian people as a whole. They are one and the same.
Supporting a racist for elected office makes that somebody a racist.

Tough question WK :\ I guess what we should consider the most is our own behaviour and the influence this gives on the outside world, after all, one small step...

But when the world takes one step forward, there is always those who dislike that & take two steps back.

The 'good' should prevail, I'd like to think, but reality says it different, that's true, and the most frustrating part is, we (us, the 'people') can't do anything except for praying and hoping for the best... "World leaders" have the last word, and unfortunately there are quite a few idiots amongst them:(

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Hamas is indistinguishable from the Palestinian people as a whole. They are one and the same.
Supporting a racist for elected office makes that somebody a racist.

Tough question WK :\ I guess what we should consider the most is our own behaviour and the influence this gives on the outside world, after all, one small step...

But when the world takes one step forward, there is always those who dislike that & take two steps back.

The 'good' should prevail, I'd like to think, but reality says it different, that's true, and the most frustrating part is, we (us, the 'people') can't do anything except for praying and hoping for the best... "World leaders" have the last word, and unfortunately there are quite a few idiots amongst them:(

That does deserve a

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However, for those of us who have witnessed such events & have a heart & soul, where does that leave us?

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Probably the only hope that we have for the Islamic world to stop preaching violence to all who disagree with them is when the Wives and Mothers start telling the men to start "Acting like men".

Probably the only hope that we have for the Islamic world to stop preaching violence to all who disagree with them is when the Wives and Mothers start telling the men to start "Acting like men".

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Batter up i'm going to tell you a little story i am curios of your reaction.

That story is a fairytale. What does that have to do with the Zionist state being a political entity not a religious one?

All those killed fighting the Zionist are martyrs as they have died in a jehad. Their reward will come in heaven. Peace be upon them.

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