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Message 1549171 - Posted: 28 Jul 2014, 20:20:47 UTC - in response to Message 1549139.  

Violence is forced into those poor children's brains:'( I don't think when they left the womb, they wanted to hold a rifle instantaniously...

I'm sure they did not ask to be born into this, but that is what mommy and daddy ascribe to.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/woman-and-two-children-killed-by-mob-in-riots-over-blasphemous-facebook-post-in-pakistan-9633511.html
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Message 1549173 - Posted: 28 Jul 2014, 20:25:19 UTC - in response to Message 1549171.  

Violence is forced into those poor children's brains:'( I don't think when they left the womb, they wanted to hold a rifle instantaniously...

I'm sure they did not ask to be born into this, but that is what mommy and daddy ascribe to.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/woman-and-two-children-killed-by-mob-in-riots-over-blasphemous-facebook-post-in-pakistan-9633511.html


Mommy and Daddy should know better... Brings us back to education. Where are the lessons of life we have to teach our children, in this picture?
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Message 1549182 - Posted: 28 Jul 2014, 20:49:09 UTC - in response to Message 1549135.  

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You'd see a similar scene if you took pics of my kids. Little boys like guns. If they are surrounded by war everyday it is just normal to them.

I gave up trying to stop my boys playing with guns as forbidden fruit is always so much more exciting.
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Message 1549211 - Posted: 28 Jul 2014, 22:18:49 UTC - in response to Message 1549182.  
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You'd see a similar scene if you took pics of my kids. Little boys like guns. If they are surrounded by war everyday it is just normal to them.

I gave up trying to stop my boys playing with guns as forbidden fruit is always so much more exciting.


I'm very curious as to the picture. The file name didn't get me very far - and didn't mention a school at all - but did say first day of Eid - which is a school holiday I thought... and I'm no gun expert but they really do look like toys to me - wonder if any are water pistols... (of course I may be wrong - never having handled anything other than a plastic gun - and only then because I'd managed to disarm the fiend that had soaked me :)) perhaps someone can help me here?

Also - the site it appears to have been uploaded to says it's more than it is, which is a news site - which it isn't... have I gone wrong somewhere checking the source? I'm confused...
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Message 1549215 - Posted: 28 Jul 2014, 22:45:42 UTC - in response to Message 1549211.  

They are toys. Wire service photo. Taken July 28 in Rafah.
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Message 1549220 - Posted: 28 Jul 2014, 23:18:14 UTC - in response to Message 1549215.  

They are toys. Wire service photo. Taken July 28 in Rafah.


Thanks Gary :)
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Message 1549278 - Posted: 29 Jul 2014, 2:51:24 UTC - in response to Message 1549054.  


There are some points that you obviously have difficulty absorbing.
1) The state of Israel is NOT "the Jewish people" and criticism of Israel DOES NOT equal anti-semitism.

2) Hamas is NOT the people of Gaza. They are just the ones with the most guns

3) Condemnation of Israel DOES NOT equal support for Hamas

4) The Hamas call for the destruction of Israel is meaningless because Hamas does not have (or ever had) the military capability to achieve this. It's just rhetoric the leaders spout at "team meetings".
Israel on the other hand while not having a stated policy of destroying Gaza DOES have the capability and seems intent on doing so using Hamas as an excuse.

5) If Israel was less inclined to use a "scorched earth" policy and made a determined attempt to minimise civilian "collateral damage", the criticism would be nowhere near as loud.

Whether you like it or not, there is a certain validity to these points. One cannot be a one eyed supporter of either side.


I agree T.A maybe it's just us ozyy's that think it's all stupid we get to see both sides of the fence
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Message 1549281 - Posted: 29 Jul 2014, 3:00:02 UTC

UPI wrote:
JERUSALEM, July 28 (UPI) --Explosions at a Palestinian playground and near a Gaza City hospital ended an informal pause in hostilities in Gaza Monday.

The Hamas government of Gaza and the Israel Defense Force blamed each other for the rocket attack on a playground at the Shati refugee camp -- which, the official Palestinian news agency WAFA said, killed 10 children -- and on the outside wall of Gaza City's largest hospital. The latter attack reportedly caused damage but no casualties.

The news agency claimed the attacks were by Israeli missiles, but Lt. Col. Peter Lerner, Israeli military spokesman, said the incidents "have absolutely nothing to do with us," suggesting the explosions were caused rockets fired by Hamas and aimed at Israel.

Leaves me wondering. Does either side even know what is going on in the field? Or do you believe them both?

Perhaps you do believe both. A rocket aimed at Israel, intercepted by Iron Dome, lands as a friendly fire. Or an Iron Dome that misses lands randomly downrange. Not likely, but not zero possibility either.

If one side is lying, then does Israel really not know where its commanders are shooting and at what? Does Hamas not know when its soldiers are shooting and from where? The last possibility is very frightening. A false flag operation designed to make one side look like murderers.

Unfortunately no one is going to go to the site and pick up the shrapnel to find out if it was a Katusha or an IMI shell, so we will never know.
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Message 1549305 - Posted: 29 Jul 2014, 4:29:06 UTC - in response to Message 1549303.  
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Clyde there is a lot of cents in T,A post you did not read it . You read it then jump to concluetions and judgments
eg. point 2: he said Hamas are the ones with the biggest guns and there not palistinians

point 1) why should the original owners leave there land , so we can't critize Jews now mmmmm Nazi comes to mind

point 3 only if your in a communist state

point 4 whom has the biggest guns and nukes mmmmm ISRAEL so there not a threat ok

point 5 there's plenty of water down here we don't know what scored earth is yep i guess we surf all the time as there is so much water and it's not the last line of defeence here is it ?

how's that a bit messy but in multy point form :)
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Message 1549403 - Posted: 29 Jul 2014, 12:21:27 UTC - in response to Message 1549305.  

point 1) why should the original owners leave there land , so we can't critize Jews now mmmmm Nazi comes to mind

How are the Aborigines doing?
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Message 1549431 - Posted: 29 Jul 2014, 13:19:11 UTC - in response to Message 1549403.  

Sirius there fine were not trying to kill any of them and we have been giving there land back to them for a long time now maybe the Israel's could learn from us about reconciliation and saying sorry and making amends for past policies

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Message 1549434 - Posted: 29 Jul 2014, 13:21:54 UTC - in response to Message 1549407.  

Oh by the way. Sorry to point out the obvious: Disagreeing, and NOT Reading, ARE different. :)


yes but i don't think you disagreed you just saw what you wished to see and that's what i meant about you not reading it
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Message 1549437 - Posted: 29 Jul 2014, 13:31:20 UTC - in response to Message 1549431.  

I'll believe that the day an aborigine becomes Australian Prime Minister.

Let's look at this another way...

Can anyone dispute that the Jews are from that part of the world?
Can anyone dispute that they are entitled to a land of their own?

History & religion is being bandied about, so where in that history is Palestine?

Palestine only came into being in the 20th century when the Line in the Sand gang (whose motto has always been Divide & Conquer) decided to redraw the map of the Middle East & continued the Roman insult of Syria Palestina.

Who came up with the Gaza Strip idea & Why?
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Message 1549445 - Posted: 29 Jul 2014, 13:46:39 UTC - in response to Message 1549437.  

Where getting there Sirius the premier of the Northern Territory is a Koori we don't call them aborigines any more that is a insult to them as all first people where called Aboriginal in English langauge and they now call themself's Koori
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Message 1549449 - Posted: 29 Jul 2014, 13:51:30 UTC - in response to Message 1549445.  

Well at least that's a start.

As for Israel/Palestine, it'll never end until Islam itself wakes up to the 21st century & treat all as human beings first...

All that's wrong with Islam
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Message 1549456 - Posted: 29 Jul 2014, 13:57:32 UTC - in response to Message 1549449.  
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Yes i must agree with that statement . But boy i hope we don't all have to wait 400 yrs for their bloody inquisitions and dark ages to finish
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Message 1549463 - Posted: 29 Jul 2014, 14:06:58 UTC - in response to Message 1549459.  
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Yes i must agree with that statement . But boy i hope we don't all have to wait 400 yrs for there bloody inquisitions and dark ages to finish

I'm assuming "there" was meant to be 'their'.

Who is 'Their'?



That's kinda childish Clyde, don't you think? Not everybody has a correct spelling skill you know...
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Message 1549464 - Posted: 29 Jul 2014, 14:08:07 UTC - in response to Message 1549459.  

What Clyde you talking about i spelled it right their is correct is it not .......
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Message 1549466 - Posted: 29 Jul 2014, 14:11:12 UTC

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Message 1549467 - Posted: 29 Jul 2014, 14:12:48 UTC - in response to Message 1549463.  

That's kinda childish Clyde, don't you think? Not everybody has a correct spelling skill you know.


Thanks Julie but he was a bit too quick .. Clyde you have to wait long enough for the edit button to disappear before commenting about one's spelling ...


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