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Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Besides, have you read the article I linked. The argument that Hamas only uses schools as storage facilities is an unproven claim by Israel. So far there have only been two verifiable cases where this has occurred, yet Israel is bombing almost every school they see. So explain this: - These rockets are aimed at Israel’s civilian population, and are unprovoked, sent with murderous intent. Since the beginning of Operation Protective Edge, Hamas has fired over 1,500 rockets into Israel. The Palestinian envoy to the UN human rights council, Ibrahim Khreisheh, observed that Hamas rocket-fire amounts to war crimes, “whether it hits or misses, because it is directed at civilian targetsâ€. Your statement shows that you are either cherry picking or have a failure to understand what has already been said! Is Ibrahim Khreisheh an Israeli? |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Great article, debunks every claim of Israels innocence that has been floating around here. Second paragraph sets up the straw-man very well. Uses other persons words as the words of the Government of Israel. Rest of the article does the same. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
How would you fight, as defined by the UN as a Terrorist Organization (Hamas), who calls for your extermination, and daily attempts to kill your children. So Sirius, imagine there was some sort of Terrorist Organisation operating in Ireland. Fighting against, lets say, a British Occupation. No, imagine that these terrorists are nasty sorts and that they do things like blowing up buildings, executing people by cutting off their heads. Stuff like that. Now imagine that they launched an attack from an Irish school. Are you saying that the British would be well within their rights to bomb that school full of innocent Irish children? Would you, as an Irish person, be totally ok with that? Reality Internet Personality |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Hamas-officials-denounce-criminal-Abbas-as-Likud-member-362465 wrote: Hamas officials assailed Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas for his criticism of the persistent rocket attacks on Israel, Israel Radio reported on Saturday. Is Israel just sitting in between a civil war of East Palestine (Gaza) and West Palestine (West Bank)? |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
So Sirius, imagine there was some sort of Terrorist Organisation operating in Ireland. Fighting against, lets say, a British Occupation. Two answers to that. 1st knowing the British Army as I do, that would not happen. 2nd, knowing that fact I would be pissed off & 1st chance I got outside of British Army service, I would take care of that problem personally. Catch a terrorist without a weapon in their hands & what stands in front of you is nothing but a p***y. However, the British Army is not landlocked on 3 sides with the sea at their back, had it been so in your question, the answers would be a whole lot different, especially if those surrounding the British wanted them wiped off the map. What Israel needs is another Moshe Dayan. |
Hev Send message Joined: 4 Jun 05 Posts: 1118 Credit: 598,303 RAC: 0 |
Here is an interesting and thoughtful article from today's Haaretz newspaper Hi anniet, the anti-apartheid movement in South Africa definitely is on topic. Many of us took part in the sanctions against South Africa even if it was just refusing to buy South African products. Many consider Israel an apartheid state and there is a lot of activity via getting banks (remember Barclays?) to withdraw from operating in Israel, boycotting goods from Israel etc. Here is a link to the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) Movement BDS Movement |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Now imagine that they launched an attack from an Irish school. Are you saying that the British would be well within their rights to bomb that school full of innocent Irish children? Would you, as an Irish person, be totally ok with that? Do they launch the attacks at all hours of the day and night? Are they launching the attack with the kids in the school? Does my intelligence even know if there are kids in the building? Suppose they launch attacks from 9:00 to 12:00 in the morning on school days from the roof of the classrooms. My intelligence knows classes are from 8:00 to 2:00. My intelligence also knows they wheel the launchers into the bomb shelter under the classrooms when they are done shooting at 12:00 every day. Do I have to wait until say 3:00 so I'm reasonably sure all the kids are gone? So I can only attack the equipment but not the soldiers? Does it make a difference that there is a apartment house next to the school and I will need to use much larger explosive, one I know will take out the apartment house to penetrate the bomb shelter? Welcome to the world of the morality of the immorality of war. The reality is the enemy can by his choices remove the possibility of me making choices to limit collateral damage by where and when he chooses to fight. Did Britain participate in the firebombing of Dresden? Was that firebombing a war crime? |
Hev Send message Joined: 4 Jun 05 Posts: 1118 Credit: 598,303 RAC: 0 |
Now imagine that they launched an attack from an Irish school. Are you saying that the British would be well within their rights to bomb that school full of innocent Irish children? Would you, as an Irish person, be totally ok with that? Yes, the firebombing of Dresden was a war crime. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Did Britain participate in the firebombing of Dresden? Was that firebombing a war crime? Yes. Indiscriminate targeting of civilians, exactly the same as Hamas rockets. |
Batter Up Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 1946 Credit: 24,860,347 RAC: 0 |
Yes, the firebombing of Dresden was a war crime. War is a crime but who are you going to call to report it? |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Yes, the firebombing of Dresden was a war crime. biggest load of B/S heard this century! Based on that, then the bombing of London was a war crime... ...wait a minute... London held the government, high command of the Navy, Air Force & Army, therefore a legitimate target. By the time of the attack on Dresden which was a known rail marshalling & communications centre making them legitimate targets. Also by this time (February 1945) the allies were aware of the death camps & with the war in its sixth year, wanted to end it as soon as possible. Don't forget that the world was at war & looking back in hindsight safely comfortable in one's armchair is a different story altogether! As for Israel, it's time they stopped what they're doing & mirror Hamas. They have no tanks or aircraft so Israel should pull theirs out & line the borders with rocket launchers - for every Hamas rocket fired Israel fires one back. I'm pretty certain the Israeli rockets will do much more damage than Hamas. What would be the UN's take on that I wonder? |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Yes, the firebombing of Dresden was a war crime. Yes it was. V-1's and V-2's are identical to Hamas rockets today. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Here is a link to the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) Movement[link removed] Those in the USA should read this: http://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/enforcement/oac |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
UAE, and that little kingdom that Saddam tried to take My point Sirius is that i have always believed that the Saudis are playing us as fools why when all these terroists not get arrested when they go on the Hajj ? I don't believe that they don't go there .12 million a year go on the hajj . Yet i have never herd even 1 terroist being arrested unless it's only a local nutter Not 1 of the big guys running the show . It is a dictatorship not a free country by any means . Why is it that the no 1 place in the Islam faith is in Mecca but they can't bring any of the others under control ? It's like the pope doesn't have any power but we know he does so why can't the leaders of Islam bring any of them under control ? Maybe there heart is not in it so they play us as the fools. I fear we wont find out there real reasons for so called helping us untill the oil runs out then we will find out who they realy support ? |
Lynn Send message Joined: 20 Nov 00 Posts: 14162 Credit: 79,603,650 RAC: 123 |
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Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34041 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Well I can't really do much about that now can I. Other than of course not support them or their actions. |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Your statement shows that you are either cherry picking or have a failure to understand what has already been said! Nope, your posts shows that you havent read my posts. I've never denied that Hamas is committing war crimes. I've never said I support them or that I think they are doing the right thing. But just because Hamas is committing war crimes doesn't mean that Israel is therefor allowed to do the same. |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34041 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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