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Message 1547795 - Posted: 26 Jul 2014, 3:48:40 UTC - in response to Message 1547708.  

Translation: all guerrilla warfare is a war crime.

Depends on your definition of Guerrilla Warfare.

If non-uniform, possibly 'Illegal Combatants' (Geneva Convention), TARGET the Military Infrastructure, of what they believe, or actually is, their Enemy: This would not be considered a 'War Crime'.

If their TARGET is Civilian. If they Machine Gun Children on School Buses. Kidnap and Murder Children. If they use Children as HUMAM SHIELDS, to protect their weapons: THEY would be considered WAR CRIMINALS.

Guerrilla Warfare, jumping out from behind a hooch in mufti and ambushing then retreating into a civilian area.

Is that any different than firing rockets from a school towards the enemy at noon recess and then going home but leaving the launcher to be used another day?

Is it a crime to shoot at a rocket launcher in an open field? How about when it is at a school? Only when school isn't in session? How about if you don't know it is a school?

Interesting to see how the UN knows 100% Hamas is committing war crimes, but is leaving doubt that Israel doing the same. Part of a war crime is state of mind. If you honestly think you are shooting at a military target, it isn't criminal. If you are using ammo that won't flatten several square blocks but only one building, it isn't a crime. If you aim isn't perfect it isn't a crime. If your intelligence is bad, it isn't a crime. Israel has some explaining to do, but they at least have left room for plausible deniability.
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Message 1547913 - Posted: 26 Jul 2014, 10:45:38 UTC - in response to Message 1547635.  

God did not write the books attributed to him. Satan did, through his minions. And Satan's plan to have the people of God wage war on each other is blossoming to full glory.

Anyone who looks at the history of what became after these books were written has to agree they can not be the work of God. God would never write his works in a way that could be used for such evil. Only Satan has that kind of evil in his heart. To split and divide and set man upon man.

That, or puny human beings just cannot comprehend the motives and goals of God. Perhaps its just not such a good idea to project human contemporary morality on what appear to be beings from beyond our plane of existence.
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Message 1547921 - Posted: 26 Jul 2014, 10:56:50 UTC - in response to Message 1547795.  

Interesting to see how the UN knows 100% Hamas is committing war crimes, but is leaving doubt that Israel doing the same. Part of a war crime is state of mind. If you honestly think you are shooting at a military target, it isn't criminal. If you are using ammo that won't flatten several square blocks but only one building, it isn't a crime. If you aim isn't perfect it isn't a crime. If your intelligence is bad, it isn't a crime. Israel has some explaining to do, but they at least have left room for plausible deniability.

The thing is that I have a hard time believing for even a second that Israels intent is purely to hit Hamas soldiers. Again, 80% of the people they killed are not Hamas soldiers. If you are such a lousy shot, so imprecise with the way you explosives, while you have such an advanced army, I just don't buy it anymore that you 'only' intends to take out Hamas soldiers.

Besides, the definition of war crimes goes a little further than this. Intent plays a part, but even if your intent is to only hurt enemy combatants, you can still commit war crimes. My Lai for example was a war crime, even though the soldiers burned the place down because they were hunting for enemy combatants. Their intent was good, the way they behaved however was not. Israel at this point is being so grossly inefficient and incompetent in only taking down the enemy combatants that what they do can be seen as war crimes.

Of course, the UN would have to investigate and nothing will ever come of it because the US and Israel will reject the report as biased and unfair.
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Message 1547993 - Posted: 26 Jul 2014, 14:52:18 UTC

Facebook has no morals!

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Message 1548003 - Posted: 26 Jul 2014, 15:22:03 UTC - in response to Message 1547993.  

Facebook has no morals!

That right, blame the paper and ink manufacturers for what their product can produce. Destroy the press because it can print evil. Don't allow disk drives they can hold evil information.

Your thinking is so, how do I put this, stone age.
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Message 1548012 - Posted: 26 Jul 2014, 15:33:59 UTC - in response to Message 1548003.  

Facebook has no morals!

That right, blame the paper and ink manufacturers for what their product can produce. Destroy the press because it can print evil. Don't allow disk drives they can hold evil information.

Your thinking is so, how do I put this, stone age.


They created the page so what does that say about Facebook? Stone age? Have you visited that Facebook page?

Most of the "selfies" come from the US - probably a covert way to introduce porn.
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Message 1548015 - Posted: 26 Jul 2014, 15:39:21 UTC
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They created the page so what does that say about Facebook?


It doesn't say that. That is not how Facebook works, anyone with access to the internet can create a Facebook page.

Read the story

" the man behind the page, Gavriel Beyo from Tel Aviv, told BBC Trending. "Historically soldiers looked at pictures of women before battle for encouragement and this is a version of that."
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Message 1548016 - Posted: 26 Jul 2014, 15:41:22 UTC - in response to Message 1548015.  

They created the page so what does that say about Facebook?


It doesn't say that. That is not how Facebook works, anyone with access to the internet can create a Facebook page.


Fair point. However it still highlights their lack of morals.
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Message 1548027 - Posted: 26 Jul 2014, 16:04:42 UTC - in response to Message 1548016.  

They created the page so what does that say about Facebook?


It doesn't say that. That is not how Facebook works, anyone with access to the internet can create a Facebook page.


Fair point. However it still highlights their lack of morals.
More like a lack of censorship. Some people that shriek the loudest for there freedom are the biggest control freaks.
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Message 1548038 - Posted: 26 Jul 2014, 16:20:10 UTC - in response to Message 1548027.  

Behave yourself!

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Message 1548046 - Posted: 26 Jul 2014, 16:35:43 UTC - in response to Message 1548016.  

However it still highlights their lack of morals.

So now you want to be the censor?

The United States is a land of free speech. Nowhere is speech freer — not even here where we sedulously cultivate it even in its most repulsive form.
~Winston Churchill~

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Message 1548055 - Posted: 26 Jul 2014, 16:57:51 UTC - in response to Message 1548046.  

However it still highlights their lack of morals.

So now you want to be the censor?

The United States is a land of free speech. Nowhere is speech freer — not even here where we sedulously cultivate it even in its most repulsive form.
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With freedom comes responsibility!
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Message 1548062 - Posted: 26 Jul 2014, 17:12:28 UTC - in response to Message 1548055.  
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However it still highlights their lack of morals.

So now you want to be the censor?

The United States is a land of free speech. Nowhere is speech freer — not even here where we sedulously cultivate it even in its most repulsive form.
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With freedom comes responsibility!

So you like 1984. Go talk to Mr. Snowden.
<ed>Better yet, get your internet from behind the great firewall.
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Message 1548089 - Posted: 26 Jul 2014, 18:03:29 UTC - in response to Message 1548062.  

However it still highlights their lack of morals.

So now you want to be the censor?

The United States is a land of free speech. Nowhere is speech freer — not even here where we sedulously cultivate it even in its most repulsive form.
~Winston Churchill~


With freedom comes responsibility!

So you like 1984. Go talk to Mr. Snowden.
<ed>Better yet, get your internet from behind the great firewall.


If your freedom is that free, just why are you Yanks ridiculing Snowden & want to put him behind bars?
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Message 1548093 - Posted: 26 Jul 2014, 18:09:10 UTC - in response to Message 1548089.  

If your freedom is that free, just why are you Yanks ridiculing Snowden & want to put him behind bars?
Obama wants him in jail but "We the People" are divided. If asked most would answer; "who's that?".
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Message 1548112 - Posted: 26 Jul 2014, 18:37:38 UTC

Finally Swedens opposition demand UN to act with force in Gaza...

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article19276644.ab

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Message 1548114 - Posted: 26 Jul 2014, 18:38:10 UTC - in response to Message 1548055.  

However it still highlights their lack of morals.

So now you want to be the censor?

The United States is a land of free speech. Nowhere is speech freer — not even here where we sedulously cultivate it even in its most repulsive form.
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With freedom comes responsibility!


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Message 1548122 - Posted: 26 Jul 2014, 18:55:36 UTC

And it spreads on FB since a couple of minutes ago.
https://www.facebook.com/stefanlofven?fref=nf
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Message 1548131 - Posted: 26 Jul 2014, 19:10:27 UTC - in response to Message 1548122.  

And it spreads on FB since a couple of minutes ago.
https://www.facebook.com/stefanlofven?fref=nf
There is not one picture of a women scantly clad or otherwise on that site. There is two minutes of my life lost I will never get back.
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Message 1548139 - Posted: 26 Jul 2014, 19:24:33 UTC - in response to Message 1548131.  

And it spreads on FB since a couple of minutes ago.
https://www.facebook.com/stefanlofven?fref=nf
There is not one picture of a women scantly clad or otherwise on that site. There is two minutes of my life lost I will never get back.



Stefan Löfven is Sweden's next primeminister.
Election is in a couple of mounths.
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