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Message 1545944 - Posted: 22 Jul 2014, 16:13:11 UTC - in response to Message 1545935.  
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Since that map was first posted, I felt something was wrong with it so searched...

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"In legal terms, Palestine was created in the 1920's by the League of Nations specifically as a homeland for the Jews. This includes everything from the river to the sea. And that is solid international law. Just find the 'San Remo Convention of 1920' and the 'Palestine Mandate', which were both adopted by the League of Nations, and hence by the later United Nations. So in terms of who is seizing what, it's all legally Jewish.

And they can't just dump these documents, as the San Remo Convention also was the legal creation of Iraq."




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Jews, and the Israeli state, have, in fact, seized great quantities of Palestinian land in the territory of Israel/Palestine over the past 60 years.

How can someone steal their own land?


They're trying to win their own land back!

@Sten-Arne: IIRC there also were a lot of Indian tribes in the old US of A?


Sure, and did they have one United States of Indians? No, they did not.


But they lived there, raised their children there, oh but right, how could I forget...they were the underdog...

you can't re-write history, you can only learn from it.


True, Annie:)
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Message 1545946 - Posted: 22 Jul 2014, 16:15:51 UTC - in response to Message 1545945.  
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Since that map was first posted, I felt something was wrong with it so searched...

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A comment clarifies it further...

"In legal terms, Palestine was created in the 1920's by the League of Nations specifically as a homeland for the Jews. This includes everything from the river to the sea. And that is solid international law. Just find the 'San Remo Convention of 1920' and the 'Palestine Mandate', which were both adopted by the League of Nations, and hence by the later United Nations. So in terms of who is seizing what, it's all legally Jewish.

And they can't just dump these documents, as the San Remo Convention also was the legal creation of Iraq."




From the article:

Jews, and the Israeli state, have, in fact, seized great quantities of Palestinian land in the territory of Israel/Palestine over the past 60 years.

How can someone steal their own land?


They're trying to win their own land back!

@Sten-Arne: IIRC there also were a lot of Indian tribes in the old US of A?


Sure, and did they have one United States of Indians? No, they did not.


But they lived there, raised their children there, oh but right, how could I forget...they were the underdog...


So, you want the creation of hundreds of Indian states where the U.S now is located?


Did anyone mention I want that?? I always support the underdog, but I guess that's my problem ey...
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Message 1545948 - Posted: 22 Jul 2014, 16:23:34 UTC

What annoys me is the mentioning from those in the West about children dying in other parts of the world due to armed conflict. It is not pleasant to see or hear of...

...however, How we treat children
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Message 1545950 - Posted: 22 Jul 2014, 16:24:38 UTC - in response to Message 1545940.  

And however badly thought out that line in the sand was (which has long been scuffed out by Israel) that we British drew after the second world war, it needs to be restored for there to ever be even the remotest chance of a settlement in the next 100 years - if there's anyone left to talk about it of course :/ because you can't re-write history, you can only learn from it.

The badly thought out line needs to be reestablished? British line drawing superiority complex? Well, I say if the Brits insist on their line, then they need to enforce it. Let them stand between the mad men.

Otherwise we need to get the mad men to agree on a line. It seems they can't do this in a civil manner, so we are going to see a lot of pictures of dead babies until they decide.

You need to come to the realization there is nothing the world can do to help mad men, until they want the help. Right now they don't want help.
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Message 1545964 - Posted: 22 Jul 2014, 20:03:50 UTC - in response to Message 1545947.  

Since that map was first posted, I felt something was wrong with it so searched...

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A comment clarifies it further...

"In legal terms, Palestine was created in the 1920's by the League of Nations specifically as a homeland for the Jews. This includes everything from the river to the sea. And that is solid international law. Just find the 'San Remo Convention of 1920' and the 'Palestine Mandate', which were both adopted by the League of Nations, and hence by the later United Nations. So in terms of who is seizing what, it's all legally Jewish.

And they can't just dump these documents, as the San Remo Convention also was the legal creation of Iraq."



From the article:

Jews, and the Israeli state, have, in fact, seized great quantities of Palestinian land in the territory of Israel/Palestine over the past 60 years.

How can someone steal their own land?


They're trying to win their own land back!

@Sten-Arne: IIRC there also were a lot of Indian tribes in the old US of A?
The Israeli's want the land back that Jahweh gave to them. This is in theory and not in practice.


It is in practice Julie. Haven't you seen that over the years? Piece by piece they will get their land back. Isn't that exactly what's been discussed in this thread?



I didn't know there were so many Jewish people participating in this thread? ;) This war has been going on for so many years now, people tend to forget who's land it really was. I think the Palestinans and Israelis don't even know for sure anymore LOL but as I stated earlier, I always tend to give my support to the underdog. The Hamas, using their own people and even children as their 'shield' against the Israelis is also something I really don't support.
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Message 1545966 - Posted: 22 Jul 2014, 20:08:09 UTC - in response to Message 1545950.  

The badly thought out line needs to be reestablished? British line drawing superiority complex?


Oh good grief no!! :)

There is absolutely nothing superior about the carving up of the planet that was done during the colonial empire :(

Unfortunately I got outraged out of my edit window :) meant to say "...something needs to be restored..."
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Message 1545985 - Posted: 22 Jul 2014, 20:22:13 UTC - in response to Message 1545964.  

I didn't know there were so many Jewish people participating in this thread? ;) This war has been going on for so many years now, people tend to forget who's land it really was. I think the Palestinans and Israelis don't even know for sure anymore LOL but as I stated earlier, I always tend to give my support to the underdog.

The hate of the Jew in some aspects is similar to the hate of the American. Jealousy of success. The belief that success isn't fair. I didn't get mine, so you can't have yours; thinking of the playground. They why of the success isn't important and any thread on that would degenerate into name calling PDQ.

The Hamas, using their own people and even children as their 'shield' against the Israelis is also something I really don't support.

It gets them lots of publicity, so they see it as a valuable positive. If the world would see it as a propaganda publicity stunt, as it is, then it has no more value and they would stop. (That they see human life in such terms speaks to their character and their barbarism.)
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Message 1545988 - Posted: 22 Jul 2014, 20:24:43 UTC - in response to Message 1545966.  
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The badly thought out line needs to be reestablished? British line drawing superiority complex?


Oh good grief no!! :)

There is absolutely nothing superior about the carving up of the planet that was done during the colonial empire :(

Unfortunately I got outraged out of my edit window :) meant to say "...something needs to be restored..."

Okay. I know about edits myself.

<edit>Uh, could have really meant, something needs to be respected?
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Message 1546000 - Posted: 22 Jul 2014, 20:37:39 UTC - in response to Message 1545985.  

I didn't know there were so many Jewish people participating in this thread? ;) This war has been going on for so many years now, people tend to forget who's land it really was. I think the Palestinans and Israelis don't even know for sure anymore LOL but as I stated earlier, I always tend to give my support to the underdog.

The hate of the Jew in some aspects is similar to the hate of the American. Jealousy of success. The belief that success isn't fair. I didn't get mine, so you can't have yours; thinking of the playground. They why of the success isn't important and any thread on that would degenerate into name calling PDQ.

The Hamas, using their own people and even children as their 'shield' against the Israelis is also something I really don't support.

It gets them lots of publicity, so they see it as a valuable positive. If the world would see it as a propaganda publicity stunt, as it is, then it has no more value and they would stop. (That they see human life in such terms speaks to their character and their barbarism.)



Did you ever stop and wonder how people get success in this world/life? Authority, yes, even dictatorships and last but not least: money. Why the trouble between Tibet and China? Who's the strongest there, has the most successful story? Makes me wonder at times...
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Message 1546027 - Posted: 22 Jul 2014, 21:17:37 UTC - in response to Message 1546000.  

I didn't know there were so many Jewish people participating in this thread? ;) This war has been going on for so many years now, people tend to forget who's land it really was. I think the Palestinans and Israelis don't even know for sure anymore LOL but as I stated earlier, I always tend to give my support to the underdog.

The hate of the Jew in some aspects is similar to the hate of the American. Jealousy of success. The belief that success isn't fair. I didn't get mine, so you can't have yours; thinking of the playground. They why of the success isn't important and any thread on that would degenerate into name calling PDQ.

The Hamas, using their own people and even children as their 'shield' against the Israelis is also something I really don't support.

It gets them lots of publicity, so they see it as a valuable positive. If the world would see it as a propaganda publicity stunt, as it is, then it has no more value and they would stop. (That they see human life in such terms speaks to their character and their barbarism.)



Did you ever stop and wonder how people get success in this world/life? Authority, yes, even dictatorships and last but not least: money. Why the trouble between Tibet and China? Who's the strongest there, has the most successful story? Makes me wonder at times...


Definition of success, I succeded this far in life.
That I call success.
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Message 1546028 - Posted: 22 Jul 2014, 21:19:25 UTC - in response to Message 1546027.  

I didn't know there were so many Jewish people participating in this thread? ;) This war has been going on for so many years now, people tend to forget who's land it really was. I think the Palestinans and Israelis don't even know for sure anymore LOL but as I stated earlier, I always tend to give my support to the underdog.

The hate of the Jew in some aspects is similar to the hate of the American. Jealousy of success. The belief that success isn't fair. I didn't get mine, so you can't have yours; thinking of the playground. They why of the success isn't important and any thread on that would degenerate into name calling PDQ.

The Hamas, using their own people and even children as their 'shield' against the Israelis is also something I really don't support.

It gets them lots of publicity, so they see it as a valuable positive. If the world would see it as a propaganda publicity stunt, as it is, then it has no more value and they would stop. (That they see human life in such terms speaks to their character and their barbarism.)



Did you ever stop and wonder how people get success in this world/life? Authority, yes, even dictatorships and last but not least: money. Why the trouble between Tibet and China? Who's the strongest there, has the most successful story? Makes me wonder at times...


Definition of success, I succeded this far in life.
That I call success.


+1 I must say:)
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Message 1546047 - Posted: 22 Jul 2014, 21:40:27 UTC - in response to Message 1545964.  

This war has been going on for so many years now, people tend to forget who's land it really was. I think the Palestinans and Israelis don't even know for sure anymore.


No such place as Palestine, it was nothing but a Roman insult to the Jews which the Line in the Sand gang in their "intellectual wisdom" continued the insult with their "Palestine Mandate".
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Message 1546051 - Posted: 22 Jul 2014, 21:46:41 UTC - in response to Message 1546047.  
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This war has been going on for so many years now, people tend to forget who's land it really was. I think the Palestinans and Israelis don't even know for sure anymore.


No such place as Palestine, it was nothing but a Roman insult to the Jews which the Line in the Sand gang in their "intellectual wisdom" continued the insult with their "Palestine Mandate".


It goes much further back to the land of pre-Israelite Canaan the land "promised to them" by their God.
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Message 1546055 - Posted: 22 Jul 2014, 21:53:16 UTC - in response to Message 1546051.  

True, but if one starts going back that far that only suggests one thing, something all should contemplate: -

"We are all descendants of murderers".

So the question then becomes "Where will it all end?"
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Message 1546064 - Posted: 22 Jul 2014, 22:26:05 UTC - in response to Message 1546055.  

True, but if one starts going back that far that only suggests one thing, something all should contemplate: -

"We are all descendants of murderers".

So the question then becomes "Where will it all end?"


The end for all of us is the same.
The question should be how we die and when...

Success!!
I come this far!!
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Message 1546065 - Posted: 22 Jul 2014, 22:30:00 UTC

Not to stand by idly when a human life is in danger (Lev. 19:16)
Not to take revenge (Lev. 19:18)
Not to bear a grudge (Lev. 19:18)

I don't think more is needed.....
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Message 1546067 - Posted: 22 Jul 2014, 22:34:27 UTC - in response to Message 1546065.  

Not to stand by idly when a human life is in danger (Lev. 19:16)
Not to take revenge (Lev. 19:18)
Not to bear a grudge (Lev. 19:18)

I don't think more is needed.....

Tell that to Israel/Palestine/Ukraine & Russia.
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Message 1546070 - Posted: 22 Jul 2014, 22:46:41 UTC - in response to Message 1546067.  

Not to stand by idly when a human life is in danger (Lev. 19:16)
Not to take revenge (Lev. 19:18)
Not to bear a grudge (Lev. 19:18)

I don't think more is needed.....

Tell that to Israel/Palestine/Ukraine & Russia.

unfortunately it is far easier to hate than to forgive.
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Message 1546071 - Posted: 22 Jul 2014, 22:48:07 UTC - in response to Message 1546067.  

Not to stand by idly when a human life is in danger (Lev. 19:16)
Not to take revenge (Lev. 19:18)
Not to bear a grudge (Lev. 19:18)

I don't think more is needed.....

Tell that to Israel/Palestine/Ukraine & Russia.


I was hoping they read it...
According to teachings they already should have done that...
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Message 1546072 - Posted: 22 Jul 2014, 22:49:58 UTC - in response to Message 1546070.  

Not to stand by idly when a human life is in danger (Lev. 19:16)
Not to take revenge (Lev. 19:18)
Not to bear a grudge (Lev. 19:18)

I don't think more is needed.....

Tell that to Israel/Palestine/Ukraine & Russia.

unfortunately it is far easier to hate than to forgive.


Then we do as the rest of the world...
Sit and watch the "game" with a kill ratio of 10 to 1
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