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Message 1545000 - Posted: 20 Jul 2014, 18:37:23 UTC
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For all the political infighting and political fighting and war-by-proxy for that region, perhaps the first step is for everyone to acknowledge that they are there and have fought to be there.

The next step could be to overcome past grievances and to look forwards for what can be done.


The present game of fighting continued old battles helps noone.

Can those in the holy lands be more holy and look to a future for all?

Will the surrounding meddling countries allow that?


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Message 1545001 - Posted: 20 Jul 2014, 18:41:14 UTC - in response to Message 1545000.  
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That's the problem. Both sides will not forget the past & move forward.

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& Hollywood don't help!

CBS to show "Masada" in 2015. That was done 30 years ago & even though a good program, why rake over old coals in today's climate?
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Message 1545007 - Posted: 20 Jul 2014, 19:11:03 UTC - in response to Message 1545001.  

That's the problem. Both sides will not forget the past & move forward.


Teach your children to hate and kill, it is the Mideast way!

Every time Palestine attacks, Israel steals more land ...
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein

Palestine is the Sudetenland.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/07/10/israel-gaza-rockets-sderot/12486413/ wrote:
Every play area is within 15 seconds of one of the five large bomb shelters in the building – the time it takes a rocket launched from Gaza to land


When are the Nazis on each side going to change? Never. They make too much money.
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Message 1545024 - Posted: 20 Jul 2014, 20:14:34 UTC

Israel-Gaza conflict: ‘Sderot cinema’ image shows Israelis with popcorn and chairs 'cheering as missiles strike Palestinian targets'

"An image that appears to show a group of Israelis on a hilltop cheering and applauding as they watch the deadly aerial bombardment of Gaza has caused international outrage after it was shared by thousands on Twitter"


Israelis Gather on Hillsides to Watch and Cheer as Military Drops Bombs on Gaza
People drink, snack and pose for selfies as the Palestinian death toll mounts.

"Despite reports that millions of Israelis are living in terror of Hamas rockets, they don’t deter these hilltop war watchers whose proximity to Gaza puts them within range of the most rudimentary missiles. Some bring their children. "
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Message 1545033 - Posted: 20 Jul 2014, 20:40:13 UTC - in response to Message 1545024.  

"An image that appears to show a group of Israelis on a hilltop cheering and applauding as they watch the deadly aerial bombardment of Gaza has caused international outrage after it was shared by thousands on Twitter"

I saw that. Did you see this?
Palestinians Chant ‘Allahu Akbar’ and Cheer as Rockets are Launched Into Israel

Notice any difference? One is defending a country one is doing g-ds work. Zionists know they are not doing g-ds work as there can be no Israeli without the Messiah who has yet to come.


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Message 1545034 - Posted: 20 Jul 2014, 20:40:16 UTC - in response to Message 1545024.  

No different than this: -

London can take it

The cheers from everyone when it was announced that the Allies had secured their 1st victory over the enemy.
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Message 1545045 - Posted: 20 Jul 2014, 20:58:44 UTC - in response to Message 1545034.  

No different than this: -

London can take it

The cheers from everyone when it was announced that the Allies had secured their 1st victory over the enemy.

Precisely.

The grandparents taught the hate to this generation well. They will pass it on again and again. Stalemate and death. It is the Mideast way.
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Message 1545050 - Posted: 20 Jul 2014, 21:08:04 UTC - in response to Message 1545045.  

...and the arms manufacturers know that.
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Message 1545137 - Posted: 21 Jul 2014, 4:38:31 UTC


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Message 1545158 - Posted: 21 Jul 2014, 5:48:22 UTC - in response to Message 1545137.  
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Thanks Gary good post no comments , informative...
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Message 1545162 - Posted: 21 Jul 2014, 5:50:52 UTC - in response to Message 1545155.  


Does The PLO/Hamas accept the existence of Israel?

You are confusing day-to-day tactical responses, with the Foundational Problem:

The PLO/Hamas want the destruction of the Israeli State. Until they renounce this: There can never be true steps towards peace.

The first step towards Peace is REALLY in The PLO/Hamas Court. Not Israel.

PLO/Hamas MUST ACCEPT ISRAEL'S EXISTANCE!!!

You keep saying this as if it is the only thing going on here. Stop banging that drum and you might hear some of what Israel is doing to make this situation worse.

Israel needs to accept Palestine's existence.
That means they need to stop the inhumane blockade.
They need to stop deliberately targeting children.
They need to stop detaining people without trial.
They need to stop settling Palestinian land.

Sayed Kashua: why I have to leave Israel


Understand your thinking. It just aides and abets the Terrorists.

Doesn't really matter. Hamas (The Cheering Children Killer's) is getting more isolated. They are so bad: They have recently lost the financial backing if Iran, and the Political backing of other Mid-East Country's.

Why do you still act like a shill for these Murderers?


You do understand that Chris Hedges is talking about Israel targeting children not Hamas, don't you?
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Message 1545168 - Posted: 21 Jul 2014, 5:58:49 UTC - in response to Message 1545162.  

He did not offer his personal feelings.....so you saying we can only see the Isael side....!!
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Message 1545174 - Posted: 21 Jul 2014, 6:09:13 UTC

Ok i got it Israel isn't doing worse at the moment ..ok

We cant see info about what who is fireing what or where ..ok

If we do we are assumed to be supporting them ....ok
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Message 1545177 - Posted: 21 Jul 2014, 6:19:27 UTC - in response to Message 1545158.  

Thanks Gary good post no comments , informative...

Source is ITAR TASS.
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/741171
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Message 1545179 - Posted: 21 Jul 2014, 6:31:03 UTC - in response to Message 1545169.  


The HUMAN SHIELDS Hamas is using?


Extract from article by Omar Baddar regarding the use of human shields and writes that Amnesty International found no evidence that Hamas used civilians as human shields in the 2009 conflict but acknowledged that hamas operated in and amongst the overcrowded population of Gaza.

Human Shields

While human rights organizations haven’t yet addressed “human shields” allegations in the ongoing round of Israel-Gaza violence, they did after the 2009 round when Israel killed at least 773 Palestinian civilians, compared to three Israeli civilian casualties (a ratio of 257:1), and used the same “human shields” argument to deflect responsibility for those deaths. When the dust settled, Amnesty International investigated the matter and concluded that there was “no evidence that [Palestinian] rockets were launched from residential houses or buildings while civilians were in these buildings.” More attention-worthy was the report’s note that,

in the cases of [Israeli] precision missiles or tank shells which killed [Palestinian] civilians in their homes, no fighters were present in the houses that were struck and Amnesty International delegates found no indication that there had been any armed confrontations or other military activity in the immediate vicinity at the time of the attack.

Israel’s Use of Human Shields

By contrast, the same report found that “in several cases Israeli soldiers also used [Palestinian] civilians, including children, as ‘human shields’.” Going back in time just a little further to put this into context is important: when the Israeli Supreme Court ruled in 2005 that the Israeli military had to stop using Palestinian civilians as human shields, the Israeli “defense” establishment objected to the ruling. The appeal against the ruling failed, and the practice remains technically illegal, but Israel implicitly encourages it to continue by offering an “inadequate … slap on the wrist,” as Human Rights Watch put it, to Israeli soldiers caught using this reprehensible tactic.

This reveals two important things: the first is the moral hypocrisy and chutzpah on display when Israel ignores its own use of human shields as it accuses its enemies of using them. The second is Israel’s self-contradicting logic: If Palestinian militants had such disregard for Palestinian civilian lives, why was the Israeli military so invested in maintaining the ability to use Palestinians as shields? The fact that the Israeli army wants to use Palestinian human shields actually proves that they believe Palestinian militants prefer not to endanger their own civilians.

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Message 1545184 - Posted: 21 Jul 2014, 6:55:09 UTC

http://www.thelocal.fr/20140721/israeli-gaza-assaul-online-internet-hate-france
The deadly Israeli offensive in Gaza has let loose an unprecedented wave of hate on media websites and social networks in France that moderators say they are struggling to contain.


The hate mongers have won. No longer about facts, now only about hate filled beliefs. Isn't the Abrahamic God wonderful to cause this?
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Message 1545188 - Posted: 21 Jul 2014, 7:11:41 UTC

hat's what i believe , some sort of madness there all suffering ...religion who needs it ...believe in a god yeh but religions have become corrupt wealthy.and powerful ...all the hallmarks of corruption in a system
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Message 1545192 - Posted: 21 Jul 2014, 7:27:18 UTC

Before the critics if Israel make their posts, please read and watch first.

How many Israelis must die before we are ‘allowed’ to defend them?

These rockets are aimed at Israel’s civilian population, and are unprovoked, sent with murderous intent. Since the beginning of Operation Protective Edge, Hamas has fired over 1,500 rockets into Israel. The Palestinian envoy to the UN human rights council, Ibrahim Khreisheh, observed that Hamas rocket-fire amounts to war crimes, “whether it hits or misses, because it is directed at civilian targets”.

Youtube (English subtitles)- Palestiinan Envoy to UNHRC

Trying to appear fair-minded, the BBC journalist cited the death figures in order to make a rhetorical point about “proportionality”. Yet the concept of proportionality requires weighing the wider reasons as to why military operations are taking place. Luis Moreno Ocampo, chief prosecutor of the international criminal court, wrote in 2006: “International humanitarian law and the Rome Statute - pdf permit belligerents to carry out proportionate attacks against military objectives,


Hamas tells Palestinian civilians to stay in homes in face of Israeli warnings

As I have indicated before I believe, the war crimes are being committed by Hamas, and the response by Israel to these rocket attacks is Lawful. And Hamas is trying to use it's "innocent" population as shield to protect it's launch sites, weapons stores and tunnels, and trying to get International sympathy by saying "Look how many innocents these Israelis are killing"
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Message 1545206 - Posted: 21 Jul 2014, 8:30:58 UTC - in response to Message 1545192.  

Winternight it's 1 of the most heavily populated areas in the world and there boxed in where do those whom don't what to fight go or the injured who weren't fighting go
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Message 1545215 - Posted: 21 Jul 2014, 9:00:58 UTC - in response to Message 1545206.  
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Winternight it's 1 of the most heavily populated areas in the world and there boxed in where do those whom don't what to fight go or the injured who weren't fighting go

And why are they boxed in.?

They are boxed in because they are trouble. If they weren't then the border to Eygpt would be more open to them. The same to a lesser extent applies on the West Bank/Jordan border. Jordan as I said earlier doesn't want them either. And it was the Palestinians that ended up in the Lebanon that caused trouble there.

Plus Hamas is being used by other Muslim States, by shipping weapons to the Gaza Strip, to try and push Israel into the sea.

In saying this I am not supporting all of Israels moves, but I am saying I think they are in a difficult position, not helped by those who look only at the headlines and then decide Israel is a monster out of control state.

And I also think that Jewish Zealots are just as big a bunch of religious nutters as any other group found in other religions.
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