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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20147 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
For all the political infighting and political fighting and war-by-proxy for that region, perhaps the first step is for everyone to acknowledge that they are there and have fought to be there. The next step could be to overcome past grievances and to look forwards for what can be done. The present game of fighting continued old battles helps noone. Can those in the holy lands be more holy and look to a future for all? Will the surrounding meddling countries allow that? All in our only one world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
That's the problem. Both sides will not forget the past & move forward. Edit: - & Hollywood don't help! CBS to show "Masada" in 2015. That was done 30 years ago & even though a good program, why rake over old coals in today's climate? |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
That's the problem. Both sides will not forget the past & move forward. Teach your children to hate and kill, it is the Mideast way! Every time Palestine attacks, Israel steals more land ... "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein Palestine is the Sudetenland. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/07/10/israel-gaza-rockets-sderot/12486413/ wrote: Every play area is within 15 seconds of one of the five large bomb shelters in the building – the time it takes a rocket launched from Gaza to land When are the Nazis on each side going to change? Never. They make too much money. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Israel-Gaza conflict: ‘Sderot cinema’ image shows Israelis with popcorn and chairs 'cheering as missiles strike Palestinian targets' "An image that appears to show a group of Israelis on a hilltop cheering and applauding as they watch the deadly aerial bombardment of Gaza has caused international outrage after it was shared by thousands on Twitter" Israelis Gather on Hillsides to Watch and Cheer as Military Drops Bombs on Gaza People drink, snack and pose for selfies as the Palestinian death toll mounts. "Despite reports that millions of Israelis are living in terror of Hamas rockets, they don’t deter these hilltop war watchers whose proximity to Gaza puts them within range of the most rudimentary missiles. Some bring their children. " Reality Internet Personality |
Batter Up Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 1946 Credit: 24,860,347 RAC: 0 |
"An image that appears to show a group of Israelis on a hilltop cheering and applauding as they watch the deadly aerial bombardment of Gaza has caused international outrage after it was shared by thousands on Twitter" I saw that. Did you see this? Palestinians Chant ‘Allahu Akbar’ and Cheer as Rockets are Launched Into Israel Notice any difference? One is defending a country one is doing g-ds work. Zionists know they are not doing g-ds work as there can be no Israeli without the Messiah who has yet to come. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
No different than this: - London can take it The cheers from everyone when it was announced that the Allies had secured their 1st victory over the enemy. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
No different than this: - Precisely. The grandparents taught the hate to this generation well. They will pass it on again and again. Stalemate and death. It is the Mideast way. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
...and the arms manufacturers know that. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
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Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Thanks Gary good post no comments , informative... |
Hev Send message Joined: 4 Jun 05 Posts: 1118 Credit: 598,303 RAC: 0 |
You do understand that Chris Hedges is talking about Israel targeting children not Hamas, don't you? |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
He did not offer his personal feelings.....so you saying we can only see the Isael side....!! |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Ok i got it Israel isn't doing worse at the moment ..ok We cant see info about what who is fireing what or where ..ok If we do we are assumed to be supporting them ....ok |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Thanks Gary good post no comments , informative... Source is ITAR TASS. http://en.itar-tass.com/world/741171 |
Hev Send message Joined: 4 Jun 05 Posts: 1118 Credit: 598,303 RAC: 0 |
Extract from article by Omar Baddar regarding the use of human shields and writes that Amnesty International found no evidence that Hamas used civilians as human shields in the 2009 conflict but acknowledged that hamas operated in and amongst the overcrowded population of Gaza. Human Shields While human rights organizations haven’t yet addressed “human shields†allegations in the ongoing round of Israel-Gaza violence, they did after the 2009 round when Israel killed at least 773 Palestinian civilians, compared to three Israeli civilian casualties (a ratio of 257:1), and used the same “human shields†argument to deflect responsibility for those deaths. When the dust settled, Amnesty International investigated the matter and concluded that there was “no evidence that [Palestinian] rockets were launched from residential houses or buildings while civilians were in these buildings.†More attention-worthy was the report’s note that, in the cases of [Israeli] precision missiles or tank shells which killed [Palestinian] civilians in their homes, no fighters were present in the houses that were struck and Amnesty International delegates found no indication that there had been any armed confrontations or other military activity in the immediate vicinity at the time of the attack. Israel’s Use of Human Shields By contrast, the same report found that “in several cases Israeli soldiers also used [Palestinian] civilians, including children, as ‘human shields’.†Going back in time just a little further to put this into context is important: when the Israeli Supreme Court ruled in 2005 that the Israeli military had to stop using Palestinian civilians as human shields, the Israeli “defense†establishment objected to the ruling. The appeal against the ruling failed, and the practice remains technically illegal, but Israel implicitly encourages it to continue by offering an “inadequate … slap on the wrist,†as Human Rights Watch put it, to Israeli soldiers caught using this reprehensible tactic. This reveals two important things: the first is the moral hypocrisy and chutzpah on display when Israel ignores its own use of human shields as it accuses its enemies of using them. The second is Israel’s self-contradicting logic: If Palestinian militants had such disregard for Palestinian civilian lives, why was the Israeli military so invested in maintaining the ability to use Palestinians as shields? The fact that the Israeli army wants to use Palestinian human shields actually proves that they believe Palestinian militants prefer not to endanger their own civilians. Full article: Collective punishment or human shields |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
http://www.thelocal.fr/20140721/israeli-gaza-assaul-online-internet-hate-france The deadly Israeli offensive in Gaza has let loose an unprecedented wave of hate on media websites and social networks in France that moderators say they are struggling to contain. The hate mongers have won. No longer about facts, now only about hate filled beliefs. Isn't the Abrahamic God wonderful to cause this? |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
hat's what i believe , some sort of madness there all suffering ...religion who needs it ...believe in a god yeh but religions have become corrupt wealthy.and powerful ...all the hallmarks of corruption in a system |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19014 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Before the critics if Israel make their posts, please read and watch first. How many Israelis must die before we are ‘allowed’ to defend them? These rockets are aimed at Israel’s civilian population, and are unprovoked, sent with murderous intent. Since the beginning of Operation Protective Edge, Hamas has fired over 1,500 rockets into Israel. The Palestinian envoy to the UN human rights council, Ibrahim Khreisheh, observed that Hamas rocket-fire amounts to war crimes, “whether it hits or misses, because it is directed at civilian targetsâ€. Youtube (English subtitles)- Palestiinan Envoy to UNHRC Trying to appear fair-minded, the BBC journalist cited the death figures in order to make a rhetorical point about “proportionalityâ€. Yet the concept of proportionality requires weighing the wider reasons as to why military operations are taking place. Luis Moreno Ocampo, chief prosecutor of the international criminal court, wrote in 2006: “International humanitarian law and the Rome Statute - pdf permit belligerents to carry out proportionate attacks against military objectives, Hamas tells Palestinian civilians to stay in homes in face of Israeli warnings As I have indicated before I believe, the war crimes are being committed by Hamas, and the response by Israel to these rocket attacks is Lawful. And Hamas is trying to use it's "innocent" population as shield to protect it's launch sites, weapons stores and tunnels, and trying to get International sympathy by saying "Look how many innocents these Israelis are killing" |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Winternight it's 1 of the most heavily populated areas in the world and there boxed in where do those whom don't what to fight go or the injured who weren't fighting go |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19014 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Winternight it's 1 of the most heavily populated areas in the world and there boxed in where do those whom don't what to fight go or the injured who weren't fighting go And why are they boxed in.? They are boxed in because they are trouble. If they weren't then the border to Eygpt would be more open to them. The same to a lesser extent applies on the West Bank/Jordan border. Jordan as I said earlier doesn't want them either. And it was the Palestinians that ended up in the Lebanon that caused trouble there. Plus Hamas is being used by other Muslim States, by shipping weapons to the Gaza Strip, to try and push Israel into the sea. In saying this I am not supporting all of Israels moves, but I am saying I think they are in a difficult position, not helped by those who look only at the headlines and then decide Israel is a monster out of control state. And I also think that Jewish Zealots are just as big a bunch of religious nutters as any other group found in other religions. |
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