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Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Care to enlighten us as to that reason?They hate each other. Arabs hating Arabs, poor Israel stuck in the middle. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19048 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Care to enlighten us as to that reason?They hate each other. One time I have to say I agree with Batter. The Eygptians authorities certainly don't like Hamas and it's smuggling tunnels into the Gaza Strip. And don't forget the PLO that caused trouble in Northern Israel and Southern Lebanon in 1982 were the PLO Palestinians expelled from Jordan after the Black September event in 1970. |
anniet Send message Joined: 2 Feb 14 Posts: 7105 Credit: 1,577,368 RAC: 75 |
Ah, but did it have a basement? Tunnels across the border? Nothing can excuse anything that is going on in the region on either side Clyde :( As to the "warnings". Yes... they call it "roof knocking". Drop some bombs on the roof first to tell people to get out now or die (bit difficult when it's a hospital with comatose and paralysed patients who can't even feed themselves of course) then blast the building to smithereens with heavy missiles whilst firing on hospital staff as they evacuate. And when it's four children playing on a beach with no roof over their heads... what is one to do? Drop one to make them run away and drop another one to kill them. But you're right... no one looks good when anyone is dying - let alone when it's civilians :( and especially when it's chidren :((( But my original point was also about the long-term cost to Gaza's residents of losing the hospital facility. Will Israel rebuild it? I doubt it. |
Batter Up Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 1946 Credit: 24,860,347 RAC: 0 |
But my original point was also about the long-term cost to Gaza's residents of losing the hospital facility. Will Israel rebuild it? I doubt it.Instead of water to Detroit bring bandages to Gaza. I'm sure they will be as tolerant as the US. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30640 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Nothing can excuse anything that is going on in the region on either side Clyde :( Finally, someone understands. Both sides teach their children to teach their children to kill and hate. There is no solution, it is their way of life and apparently they like it, or they wouldn't do it. However I'm amazed at some of the European think displayed here. That is is okay to shoot rockets with bombs at humans, just because others those humans associate with are thieves. I thought Europe rejected the death penalty? Or is it okay to kill an associate of a criminal if they are a land thief? Both sides have just the same moral high ground as the Nazi's. We would do the world a favor to let them exterminate each other. |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Attacked after Warning from Israel, and Evacuation. And how do they warn people? By firing a mortar round at them which means they have about 5 minutes to get out. But where to go? How do you know you have moved away far enough? How can you be certain that you are not getting hit? Sure, Israel 'warns' civilians in the most useless, most basic and ineffective way possible, just so they can claim 'they are the good guys'. The very fact that over 200 people died and 80% of those are civilians shows you that their warnings are pretty much useless. Hamas is bad, really bad even, but Israel is not much better. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
This whole thing proves 2 wrongs don't make a right. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
What do you make of this? Another take on it all: Gaza: Israel's $4 billion gas grab-Nafeez Ahmed Never mind the 'war on terror' rhetoric, writes Nafeez Ahmed. The purpose of Israel's escalating assault on Gaza is to control the Territory's 1.4 trillion cubic feet of gas - and so keep Palestine poor and weak, gain massive export revenues, and avert its own domestic energy crisis. Reality Internet Personality |
Batter Up Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 1946 Credit: 24,860,347 RAC: 0 |
What do you make of this? Another take on it all: I think that people have to stop reading spurious blogs. |
Hev Send message Joined: 4 Jun 05 Posts: 1118 Credit: 598,303 RAC: 0 |
What do you make of this? Another take on it all: This spurious blog is an update of an article in the Guardian from a week ago. Apart from that, Israel is using collective punishment which is a war crime under the Geneva Convention (which Israel is a signatory to). The Gaza strip is one of the most densely populated areas in the world comprising 1.7 million people on 140 square miles. Half the population are children. Gaza is tightly blockaded by Israel and the population is a sitting target for whatever inhumane and sadistic cruelty Israel wishes to leash on it. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
What do you make of this? Another take on it all: +1 Reality Internet Personality |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
NBC are sending Ayman Mohyeldin back to Gaza. NBC News statement: Ayman Mohyeldin back to Gaza His twiiter feed for latest updates: https://twitter.com/AymanM Reality Internet Personality |
Batter Up Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 1946 Credit: 24,860,347 RAC: 0 |
NBC are sending Ayman Mohyeldin back to Gaza.NBC is a Comcast company. Just saying. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30640 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Apart from that, Israel is using collective punishment which is a war crime under the Geneva Convention (which Israel is a signatory to). May I ask what firing rockets with bombs indiscriminately into a populated area is? Is that a war crime of targeting civilians? Is it less of a crime if they miss their mark? Both sides have the high moral position of a Nazi. |
Hev Send message Joined: 4 Jun 05 Posts: 1118 Credit: 598,303 RAC: 0 |
Apart from that, Israel is using collective punishment which is a war crime under the Geneva Convention (which Israel is a signatory to). Gaza cannot commit aggression against Israel as under international law it is illegally occupied by Israel. As an occupied territory Gaza has the right to self determination and the right to defend itself against aggression. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19048 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Apart from that, Israel is using collective punishment which is a war crime under the Geneva Convention (which Israel is a signatory to). Gaza isn't occupied, although for reasons which should be obvious to anyone who examines the beliefs and actions of Hamas, Israel does control its border and airspace. If Israel didn't control Gaza's borders, within days, not weeks, Gaza would be full of weapons much more sophisticated than now. Therefore in Israels view, not an option. Full stop, no argument. And for another area considered by some to be occupied, the Golan Heights. Anyone who considers that Israel should give up this area, has to be stupid. As one who has been up there and an retired soldier, giving up the Golan Heights back to Syria, is almost the same as committing suicide. |
Batter Up Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 1946 Credit: 24,860,347 RAC: 0 |
Is it less of a crime if they miss their mark?Point of order: The rockets are intercepted before they reach their target. American military know how; the one thing we do right. |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
while Israel is worrying about Gaza and West Bank Iran backs ISIS and it gets stronger.....as the pieces of the chess board play out we get closer to check mate and ARMAGEDON |
Batter Up Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 1946 Credit: 24,860,347 RAC: 0 |
while Israel is worrying about Gaza and West Bank Iran backs ISIS and it gets stronger.....as the pieces of the chess board play out we get closer to check mate and ARMAGEDONIt's hard to know the players without a program. ISIS is Sunni and Iran is Shiite. Iran is now on the US side in Iraq. Get your programs, get yor programs here. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30640 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Apart from that, Israel is using collective punishment which is a war crime under the Geneva Convention (which Israel is a signatory to). Gaza is occupied? What plant are you consuming? mutters, maybe the soul is confused between the West Bank and Gaza .... then again there was that map showing the nature preserve, created by treaty, in the west bank as being illegally seized .... perhaps it can't tell the difference between a Cliven Bundy like idiot squatter and the government. Doesn't really matter .... As an occupied territory Gaza has the right to self determination and the right to defend itself against aggression. So because Israel exists and signed peace treaties establishing the Gaza border slightly different than how the line in the sand was drawn by the fools in the UN in 1949, even thought the change in area was actually between Egypt and Gaza, Israel now must simply sit back and do nothing while the war crime of targeting civilians happens. I think your viewpoint is crystal clear. |
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