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Hev Send message Joined: 4 Jun 05 Posts: 1118 Credit: 598,303 RAC: 0 |
This land is mine The soundtrack is from the film Exodus. The film, and the book it was based on, certainly influenced my thinking in relation to the formation of the state of Israel and who were the good guys and who were the bad guys. I read it at an impressionable age. As the end of this short film points out, there is only one winner. |
Batter Up Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 1946 Credit: 24,860,347 RAC: 0 |
As the end of this short film points out, there is only one winner. History doesn't end. |
Bob DeWoody Send message Joined: 9 May 10 Posts: 3387 Credit: 4,182,900 RAC: 10 |
As the end of this short film points out, there is only one winner. But it does repeat itself. Bob DeWoody My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events. |
Hev Send message Joined: 4 Jun 05 Posts: 1118 Credit: 598,303 RAC: 0 |
Why do you keep on wittering on about the Israeli Government handing out candy when an act of ethnic cleansing is taking place against the inhabitants of Gaza? |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Someone just posted pictures on facebook of the children being targeted and murdered by the Israeli military. I can't post them here because they are too disturbing. These are little 9, 10 and 11 year old boys who were playing football. Does anyone here have a 9 year old son? Can you imagine seeing them ripped apart by shells from missiles? Can you imagine what you would do if someone did that to your child while they were playing on the beach? Reality Internet Personality |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Why do you keep on wittering on about the Israeli Government handing out candy when an act of ethnic cleansing is taking place against the inhabitants of Gaza? Perhaps because the only ETHNIC cleansing taking place is Hamas (not an ethnicity, but a political party) attempting to wipe all the Jewish off the planet. That doesn't mean Israel isn't trying to wipe Hamas off the planet, just that is isn't ETHNIC. War should be the most vile, filthy, horrific, shocking, disgusting, repulsive thing man does, just so he remembers never to do it. Since both sides seem to be after "the final solution" I place both in the same moral niche with the author of "the final solution." |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Why do you keep on wittering on about the Israeli Government handing out candy when an act of ethnic cleansing is taking place against the inhabitants of Gaza? If you actually look at the facts about what is going on in Palestine you will realise that Israel is trying to wipe the Palestinians off the face of the Earth. I know there has supposedly been rhetoric about "wiping Israel off the face of the earth" (which seems to have been based on a mistranslation of something said years ago), but you are very keen to go on about facts. So try it. Find out what is actually going on in Palestine. Not what the media is telling you. Fact one: The Israelis are an occupying force. Fact two: they have been illegally settling Palestinian lands Fact three: they have been imposing draconian measure on the Palestinian people Fact four: they have killed far more innocents than the Palestinians have. Stories from an occupation: the Israelis who broke silence A group called Breaking the Silence has spent 10 years collecting accounts from Israeli soldiers who served in the Palestinian territories. To mark the milestone, 10 hours' worth of testimony was read to an audience in Tel Aviv. Here we print some extracts Israel/Occupied Palestinian Territories Human Rights Concerns Amnesty International's concerns are based on international standards and applied equally within the proper legal framework. The legal framework is defined by who retains jurisdiction, or effective control, over an area and the circumstances or situation at the time of the human rights violation. Amnesty's concerns within Israel-proper, the area inside the 1949 (W. Bank/E. Jerusalem) and 1951 (Gaza Strip) armistice lines (also called the '1967 borders') include but are not limited to, ill-treatment and torture of detainees, excessive use of force, the detention of conscientious objectors, and forced evictions and home demolitions within 'unrecognized' Bedouin villages. Reality Internet Personality |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
I call Israel Nazi and you blast with this? You may have a reading comprehension problem. |
Batter Up Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 1946 Credit: 24,860,347 RAC: 0 |
I don't have a dog in the fight but I notice US made hardware is the best money can buy. Israel is shooting down incoming rockets with a 99% success rate. This is much better than during the Iraq war when it was only about 50%. Nothing beats actual combat to develop and perfect weapons*. *These are totally defensive weapons so save your moral indignation for another time. |
Lynn Send message Joined: 20 Nov 00 Posts: 14162 Credit: 79,603,650 RAC: 123 |
The Israel and Palestine conflict, that never ends. I want peace in the region. Deadly clashes broke out after Israeli tanks drove into Gaza and launched a ground operation that escalates the conflict with Hamas. Hamas, from terror group to semi-military formation. Innocent people are being killed. Very sad :( |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
I call Israel Nazi and you blast with this? You brought up "wiping Israel off the earth" which has been attributed to the President of Iran. You then go on about Hamas, as if Hamas and Palestine are the same thing. After that I did kind of lose track of what you were saying, but the gist seemed to be that they are both as bad as each other which I do, in this instance, disagree with. One side is clearly much worse than the other. I replied as best as I could considering the generally disjointed content of your post. Reality Internet Personality |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19012 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
One thing that you don't seem to have taken into consideration is about the 1967 map change. That was the period when most of Israel's Arab neighbours did want to push Israel into the sea. First the Arabs persuaded the UN to remove it's peacekeepers to leave, so that they could invade. Due to Arab ineptitude and Israel's preparedness they got a very bloody nose and caused the refugee problem. Then Yasser Arafat and the PLO had various goes at causing problems, including an attack on Jordan in 1970, causing lots more problems for the refugee's. Then in 1973, the Arabs, but not Jordan, tried again, the Yom Kippur War. This time it initially looked like they might achieve something, but in the end the Arabs failed again. Since then Israel's neighbouring states have changed their official political position publicly in not wanting to push Israel into the sea. Although I am not to sure about Syria. In truth most Arab people would like Israel to go away, no matter what their politicians say. To say this is a problem caused by Israel, is in my opinion, not justified. Saying that, I am do think their responses are over the top. But what do you do when your neighbours will not behave, call the Police? Who are the Police? the UN? If so why haven't they turned up and protected the innocent? Because if the police don't come in and do their duty, then this has very little chance of stopping until either the Arab states stop supplying Hamas and any other terror groups or Israel forces ethnic cleansing. Have you ever seen Israel take military action without being first attacked, since 1967? |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
One thing that you don't seem to have taken into consideration is about the 1967 map change. That was the period when most of Israel's Arab neighbours did want to push Israel into the sea. My memory says maybe back in the 80's when they invaded Lebenon. I cant remeber. [/quote] Old James |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
You then go on about Hamas, as if Hamas and Palestine are the same thing. That is what you are guilty of, I know the difference. Have you forgotten that Hamas forced the Palestinian government out of Gaza? Go back and see where I called them a political party! Maybe you are the one who can't see that Israel isn't fighting with Fatah. Of course if you have an axe to grind ... |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34041 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
Innocent people are being killed. A 5 months old baby, what in God's name has it done wrong??:( I don't have anything against Jewish people but they are quite persistent and egocentric at times...:( They also seem to have a strong urge to 'conquer' what they believe is already theirs, but is it really theirs? rOZZ Music Pictures |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19012 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
1978 coastal road massacre 1982 in reaction to PLO attacks on the Christians. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19012 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Innocent people are being killed. Very sad, but .... frequently terrorists hide behind "innocents", or store weapons in places like schools and hospitals. There is a recent video showing a middle aged Arab claiming to be innocent and asking why Israel bombed his house, turns out he has four sons who were all living in the house, all members of Hamas. |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34041 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
Innocent people are being killed. Isn't looking after your own sons an innocent act? rOZZ Music Pictures |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19012 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Innocent people are being killed. No, if he was innocent then he should have educated his sons that attacks on your neighbours, has its downside. The same as women, in N. Ireland, who had young children at home, that ran "safe houses" that terrorists, of both sides of the argument, could enter and drop off weapons, change appearance etc. |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34041 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
Innocent people are being killed. Sometimes that's all those people can do. It's their life, their 'usual'. A lot of people don't have a mind of their own and just do what they are told to do, doesn't mean they're not innocent. rOZZ Music Pictures |
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