Sorry Tbar must have got mixed up with another user also posted .Ok he has a mac by the messages mm

how did I come to think it was him running the linx getting late I should be in bed 4.44am here brain is not working

So Sorry

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Sorry Tbar must have got mixed up with another user also posted ...

Read his last post...carefully;

I'm having trouble getting the Seti client to launch more than 8 concurrent tasks at a time even when there are twice that number of available processors. This problem only exists with the OS X Seti client; the Linux clients that I am using run approximately one task per CPU. I am running the stand alone version.

1) This exists between versions of OS X, having tested 10.9.2 and 10.7.4
2) Both versions of Boinc 7.2.42 and 7.3.19
3) With and without GPU processing enabled
4) Global settings set to 0 or 100 of multiprocessors and 0 or 100% of multiprocessors
5) Setting app config to:........

I've seen a couple threads complaining about this same issue and no resolution. I'm beginning to believe 8 concurrent threads is either hard coded or all options to change this are ignored.

I have tested other projects, such as asteroidsathome with all of the same global settings (and none of the app settings) and I get a full 16 concurrent tasks on 16 core systems. As that this is meant as a positive way to load test systems, only running on half the cores is counter to that goal. If there is no fix, I'll have to switch away from implementing Seti in our datacenters across the board.

Why would he be concerned about his 'datacenters' not running full tasks if they aren't Macs?
Did you see Juan's Link?
CPU type: GenuineIntel Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5675 @ 3.07GHz [x86 Family 6 Model 44 Stepping 2]
Operating System: Darwin 12.5.0 (OSX Mountain Lion)
I picked up on that right away :-)

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Sounds like a bunch of Macs to me. Someone can't read that? He made 3 posts about getting all 16 cores on his 16 core OSX machines to work. Then mentioned his Datacenter machines that are also having the same problem. Seems pretty convincing to me.

From his first post: "This problem only exists with the OS X Seti client; the Linux clients that I am using run approximately one task per CPU."

OS X Seti client is singular, Linux clients is plural. Sounds to me like OS X is in the minority.

One of his current machines, that I happened to catch in my database before he activated the cloaking device, is a 40-processor Linux box, 7309756. He also appears to have done some similar stress-testing about a year ago. I've got 7 more of those machines in my DB, all similar to this 24-processor Linux box, 7056463. Perhaps they've recently upgraded those machines, leading to the new round of testing.

ok I said sorry I got mixed up with another user and it's late
so no I did not pick it up so sorry again I didn't see Juan link or I did and got confused with 1 off the other users in this thread.

But I am curious they must not do much at his data centres or is his score for only like a 8-12hrs while they close cos if so wow he could take all the work by himself and leave us nothing .
How many data centres does he have ? and does his Bosses know he is doing this ?.

he better own the company or he mite get into a lot of troubble

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Posts by Charles Long
Sounds like a bunch of Macs to me. Someone can't read that? He made 3 posts about getting all 16 cores on his 16 core OSX machines to work. Then mentioned his Datacenter machines that are also having the same problem. Seems pretty convincing to me.

From his first post: "This problem only exists with the OS X Seti client; the Linux clients that I am using run approximately one task per CPU."

OS X Seti client is singular, Linux clients is plural. Sounds to me like OS X is in the minority.

One of his current machines, that I happened to catch in my database before he activated the cloaking device, is a 40-processor Linux box, 7309756. He also appears to have done some similar stress-testing about a year ago. I've got 7 more of those machines in my DB, all similar to this 24-processor Linux box, 7056463. Perhaps they've recently upgraded those machines, leading to the new round of testing.

I have tested other projects, such as asteroidsathome with all of the same global settings (and none of the app settings) and I get a full 16 concurrent tasks on 16 core systems. As that this is meant as a positive way to load test systems, only running on half the cores is counter to that goal. If there is no fix, I'll have to switch away from implementing Seti in our datacenters across the board.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_user_posts.php?userid=9906795
Why would he be concerned about his 'datacenters' not running full tasks if they aren't Macs?

If there is no fix, I'll have to switch away from implementing Seti in our datacenters across the board.

Don't fix it guys maybe hell go away ........


yes I know I'm a bad boy for saying that ...smack , smack , ouch that hurt

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Hat would concern me is that he is running all these machines in a data centre with the authority of the owners of those machines. We don't want to read that this guy is "doing a NEZ", but with a data centre and not a school.
(despite being a Setizen I would be mightily peed off if I found that one of those he is crunching with was one of mine)

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Hey Guy´s, what is important: He is giving SETI a good push by doing his so called "datacenters stress tests".

Hope he could stay with us for a while. I don´t belive someone could do such amount of work in a datacenter without autorization, so maybe he is hidden his host & company name just for privacy & security reasons.

BTW - With a price tag at 3K - 6K US$ each Xeon E7V2 15 cores processor is out of the reach for most of us simple mortals.

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Is the machines truly Mac or are they Hackintosh or are all Mac's Hackintosh now and you call your machine a Mac because it runs OSX ?

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I want a Hackintosh..lol..but I'm betting he's running true Macs..

I had to ask lol

Next time someone asks me i'll say yes I have a mac I run snow leopard on it so it must be a mac .

Sorry time for bed me not like Apple as you probably figured never forgiven for going belly up back in the 80's hated them ever since ...

so sorry to the apple ppl
and goodnight

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Or they are just running the linux machines they mentioned.

This problem only exists with the OS X Seti client... If there is no fix, I'll have to switch away from implementing Seti in our datacenters across the board.

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Sounds like a bunch of Macs to me. Someone can't read that? He made 3 posts about getting all 16 cores on his 16 core OSX machines to work. Then mentioned his Datacenter machines that are also having the same problem. Seems pretty convincing to me.

He was asking about a problem he as having on the MAC systems, but also stated Linux boxen were in the mix.
Here ya go. http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=74994&postid=1530999

In addition, my Linux hosts, which use the same global settings, do not have a 8 task limitation and use the all available cores; I have tested multiple systems with different numbers of cores and this is always the case. That and other projects on OS X, such as asteroidsathome, which use the same global settings, they also use all available cores. This limitation is exclusive to the setiathome OS X client.

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I want a Hackintosh..lol..but I'm betting he's running true Macs..

I thought I wanted a Hackintosh, 'til I found you had to use someone's hacked OSX image. I wasn't impressed. Then I had problems with the 2008 Intel board I bought to use as a Hack. Seems Intel 'fixed' their board to where it wouldn't post when a video card with a Mac Rom was used for the main monitor. Bad Intel, BAD! Then I had Ram problems with the same board so I gave up on it. Now I have corrected the Ram problem and have a worthy PC video card. But you still have to use someone else's hacked system. Dunno, maybe someday.

Or they are just running the linux machines they mentioned.

This problem only exists with the OS X Seti client... If there is no fix, I'll have to switch away from implementing Seti in our datacenters across the board.

Posts by Charles Long
Sounds like a bunch of Macs to me. Someone can't read that? He made 3 posts about getting all 16 cores on his 16 core OSX machines to work. Then mentioned his Datacenter machines that are also having the same problem. Seems pretty convincing to me.

He was asking about a problem he as having on the MAC systems, but also stated Linux boxen were in the mix.
Here ya go. http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=74994&postid=1530999

In addition, my Linux hosts, which use the same global settings, do not have a 8 task limitation and use the all available cores; I have tested multiple systems with different numbers of cores and this is always the case. That and other projects on OS X, such as asteroidsathome, which use the same global settings, they also use all available cores. This limitation is exclusive to the setiathome OS X client.

Yes, all that proves is if his Datacenters were running Linux he wouldn't be concerned with them running half the tasks. The only way his 'centers would be running half tasks is if they were Macs.

I want a Hackintosh..lol..but I'm betting he's running true Macs..

I thought I wanted a Hackintosh, 'til I found you had to use someone's hacked OSX image. I wasn't impressed. Then I had problems with the 2008 Intel board I bought to use as a Hack. Seems Intel 'fixed' their board to where it wouldn't post when a video card with a Mac Rom was used for the main monitor. Bad Intel, BAD! Then I had Ram problems with the same board so I gave up on it. Now I have corrected the Ram problem and have a worthy PC video card. But you still have to use someone else's hacked system. Dunno, maybe someday.

We didn't get very far trying this at work either. We were even using Optiplex 745 machines that were listed on the hackintish site as fully compatible.

The last true Xserve boxes I am aware of were only dual Core 2 Quad based Xeons, but I'm not a huge Apple person. Do you think Apple still working with companies to produce Xserve setups?

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yeh I know I was going to bed but ...

You cheat and run it in a VM and go full screen nobody will know if you don't tell well at least the q8400 intel chip on the other machine will run it 10.6 version in both 32 bit and 64 bit both work butifully

Now this new AMD machine weelll I got Maverick to work then updated it and nada crashed but that was before I figured out the ram drive was causing trouble which is where I had the workstation and I havn't tried since removing the ram disc but i'll let you all know if I do get it to work

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Well, I found some circumstantial evidence in my databsse that seems to support the "mostly Mac" theory. I found that over 90% of the host IDs added to my DB between 7330981 and 7331846 are owned by Anonymous, 159 of them, all added to S@h on July 6. (A host gets added to my DB the first time it serves as a wingmate on a WU that one of my hosts received.) I checked a handful of them and all appeared to be 16-processor Darwin boxes, though I saw a couple different Intel chips listed.

As I said, it's just circumstantial, but the addition of these machines seems to coincide with our rising star. I'm sure there are a lot more Anonymous machines in there that I just haven't happened to be paired with (yet), such as the one Juan mentioned.

Edit: Well, if I'd kept going I would have found another group of 84 added on July 7 & 8, between hosts 7333120 and 7333702. There are probably more, but I don't think I'll go looking any further. ;>)

Edit 2: Okay, I guess I lied. I couldn't resist. I've got another group of 24, but this time 40-processor Linux boxes, between 7334278 and 7334442, all added on July 8.

Edit 3: Definitely my last edit on this message. Between hosts 7335266 and 7335876, all added on July 10, my DB has snagged 234 more Anonymoust hosts, and the handful I checked are all 40-processor Linux boxes. That appears to put Linux considerably ahead of OS-X, after all, but certainly an interesting mixture!

Well, I found some circumstantial evidence in my databsse that seems to support the "mostly Mac" theory. I found that over 90% of the host IDs added to my DB between 7330981 and 7331846 are owned by Anonymous, 159 of them, all added to S@h on July 6. (A host gets added to my DB the first time it serves as a wingmate on a WU that one of my hosts received.) I checked a handful of them and all appeared to be 16-processor Darwin boxes, though I saw a couple different Intel chips listed.

As I said, it's just circumstantial, but the addition of these machines seems to coincide with our rising star. I'm sure there are a lot more Anonymous machines in there that I just haven't happened to be paired with (yet), such as the one Juan mentioned.

Maybe one of the stat sites lists all of the hosts by ID. That would be helpful. That would be faster than downloading the stats dump. With the hosts file being about 600MB compresses it isn't something I want to parse.

Given the Xeon X5675 is a 6c/12t chip that does support the idea that the OS might be in a VM.

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Can someone elaborate on "Pulling a NEZ" ? That one is over my head!

Can someone elaborate on "Pulling a NEZ" ? That one is over my head!

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=56411

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