this is quite true and netflixs as well as all throttled customers

should seek damages for comcast's refusal to provide contracted for services

if they say that they are providing x amount of services per month fo x dollar's

then it should be that, not that except netflix.

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on the other hand if netflix fail to provide contracted for services then they should refund the customer's money until they can provide enough servers to meet the load.

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on the other hand if netflix fail to provide contracted for services then they should refund the customer's money until they can provide enough servers to meet the load.

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Of course this only tests the "last mile" but it did cut the B.S. about delivered speed compared to advertised speed. The end user has more to worry abut with caps on bandwidth usage. Ask our Canadian friends about that.

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..No that was the Bell System, the greatest phone company the world had ever known. They were the first to hear the big bang, in New Jersey BTW.

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Yeah, but they thought the noise was caused by pigeon sh*t.

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Reality Internet Personality

Comcast got approval to buy NBC. They have the FCC in their pocket. A content producer must never be a content provider, that is a much bigger issue than net neutrality IMHO.

As Dullnando illustrated, he pays for Netflix, HBO Go and Amazon Prime. Netflix is throttled while the others work perfectly fine. Netflix isn't being treated fairly. That's the issue of net neutrality in a nutshell.

It was proven that it was Netflix that couldn't deliver not throttling by ISP. The only thing Comcast throttled was P2P and they go caught.

No, it was not proven. Where did you read that? As soon as Netflix paid Comcast for a peering deal, Netflix performance immediately improved.

..No that was the Bell System, the greatest phone company the world had ever known. They were the first to hear the big bang, in New Jersey BTW.

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Yeah, but they thought the noise was caused by pigeon sh*t.

But the song of the universe was still there after they wiped it up.

The receiver is still there as a monument. I wonder if there will be a monument to dancing cat videos?

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Comcast got approval to buy NBC. They have the FCC in their pocket. A content producer must never be a content provider, that is a much bigger issue than net neutrality IMHO.

No, net neutrality is far more important. As Dullnando illustrated, he pays for Netflix, HBO Go and Amazon Prime. Netflix is throttled while the others work perfectly fine. Netflix isn't being treated fairly. That's the issue of net neutrality in a nutshell.

I'm for refusing to allow an ISP to get IP numbers unless it treats all packets equally. Cut them off from the rest of the world. Of course they know their customers would flay them so they would. Perhaps the way to make sure of net neutrality is at the international level. Sorry Verizon, you throttle, so no IP numbers for you (or your customers).

Please see my response to you as to why I don't believe that would work.

No, it was not proven. Where did you read that? As soon as Netflix paid Comcast for a peering deal, Netflix performance immediately improved.

Now who is showing their lack of understanding. What Netflix did was pay for a collocation that did away with them having to use the "backbone". Netflix is 1/3 of ALL internet traffic during prime time viewing hours.

You do understand we now have "net neutrality" and Comcast can't legally control what data flows and what doesn't. If they did Netflix would get rich from the suit. It was Netflix playing games and pouring Kool-Aid for its dancing cat video fans.

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No, it was not proven. Where did you read that? As soon as Netflix paid Comcast for a peering deal, Netflix performance immediately improved.

Now who is showing their lack of understanding.

Umm... that would still be you.

What Netflix did way pay for a collocation that did away with them having to use the "backbone". Netflix is 1/3 of ALL internet traffic during prime time viewing hours.

The collocation was a separate deal that hadn't been completed by the time the peering deal was negotiated. What Netflix did was pay for a direct connection to Comcast. Netflix shouldn't have to pay for a direct connection to Comcast if they already pay an ISP for business rate access. That Netflix is 1/3 of all internet traffic is irrelevant. ISPs and backbone providers can increase capacity through their profits if they want to reduce that load and/or sell more to their customers. It isn't on Netflix to pay for that 1/3 traffic, as that 1/3 traffic was demanded by consumers who choose to use Netflix, and those consumers already pay for that 1/3 internet traffic. The peering deal shouldn't have been legal and violates net neutrality.

You do understand we now have "net neutrality" and Comcast can't legally control what data flows and what doesn't. If they did Netflix would get rich from the suit. It was Netflix playing games and pouring Kool-Aid for its dancing cat video fans.

No, we don't have net neutrality when Comcast can force Netflix to pay for direct connections to their network - connections that Netflix already paid for through their ISP. Now Netflix has to pay their ISP and Comcast for the same service, as well as consumers who pay Comcast to deliver that traffic to them.

Yes, Comcast can't "legally" control the data, but as you stated to dancer42, proving that such a thing is occurring can be a difficult thing to do. Netflix isn't in the business of litigating or hiring experts to prove their case. They are in the business to provide content to consumers.

You want a regulated monopoly? Isn't that socialism espoused by communist ideals?
No that was the Bell System, the greatest phone company the world had ever known. They were the first to hear the big bang, in New Jersey BTW.

There are many state owned utilities that wthat work quite well. Bell was one of them.

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No, we don't have net neutrality

I offer for your reading pleasure the facts. On December 23, 2010, the Commission released the Open Internet Order, which established high-level rules requiring transparency and prohibiting blocking and unreasonable discrimination to protect Internet openness. You have to stop making up your own facts, this isn't the "science" section.

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batter up said:

You do love your dancing cat videos don't you?

Are there Dancin' K a t vids on Net Flix, Ama Zon Pr ime, and H BO g O? Cool. I'll Check 'it' out.

As Far as Reg Net, I never have Looked at One. Seen 'em on Reg TV, News, mostly while flippin' thru channs.

Hey Batter, I got over A Baker's Dozen in Da House and Plenty Outside on Porch and Such.

Free Dancin all Day and Night. Frakk 'it', who needs To Pay fO 'it'?

You? heeeheeeheee. Strike 3. by da by. 'It' was Last Night fO da Throttling. So, who 'is' doing 'it'.

Sammy Know?

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

There are many state owned utilities that wthat work quite well. Bell was one of them.

The Bell System was a stock holder owned company that was regulated by each state and the federal government. To this day Verizon, at&t and Quest are still regulated and MUST provide POTS (plane old telephone service)to anyone who wants it in their area at a set price and service level. That's the last vestige of Ma Bell.

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No, we don't have net neutrality

I offer for your reading pleasure the facts. On December 23, 2010, the Commission released the Open Internet Order, which established high-level rules requiring transparency and prohibiting blocking and unreasonable discrimination to protect Internet openness. You have to stop making up your own facts, this isn't the "science" section.

Do try to keep up with the times. That Open Internet Order was struck down by an appeals court in January of this year. That's exactly the case I was referring to in why the only option left for a neutral internet is to classify ISPs as common carrier. Perhaps this news was too recent for your educational habits?

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/01/net-neutrality-is-half-dead-court-strikes-down-fccs-anti-blocking-rules/

by da by. 'It' was Last Night fO da Throttling. So, who 'is' doing 'it'.

Just because Netflix was forced to pay for peering to Comcast, doesn't mean all throttling by all ISPs have stopped, or that other network influences aren't at play. "By the by", I never had a problem watching Netflix on my Comcast account even before the paid peering deal, but that doesn't mean that Comcast wasn't doing it elsewhere or to other accounts that consumed Netflix more than I do (which isn't much considering how little is available without a DVD subscription).

There are many state owned utilities that wthat work quite well. Bell was one of them.

The Bell System was a stock holder owned company that was regulated by each state and the federal government. To this day Verizon, at&t and Quest are still regulated and MUST provide POTS (plane old telephone service)to anyone who wants it in their area at a set price and service level. That's the last vestige of Ma Bell.

I stand corrected in that I implied Bell was state owned but I still assert that there are many well run state owned utilities. As an aside I remember Bell was very good but expensive. You get what you pay for if you are lucky. We were lucky with Bell.

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Do try to keep up with the times. That Open Internet Order was struck down by an appeals court in January of this year.

I didn't know that. I don't notice any difference accessing this supposed forum.

So when net neutrality returns the dancing cat videos stutter again.

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Do try to keep up with the times. That Open Internet Order was struck down by an appeals court in January of this year.

I stand corrected. I don't notice any difference accessing this supposed forum.

This isn't a "supposed" forum; it is a forum. ;-) There is no assuming or supposing to be made that it is a forum. You may not like the forum, or perhaps you don't like the moderation of the forum, but that doesn't make it less of a forum. :-)

And no, the effects of the lack of network neutrality wouldn't be felt by SETI@home just yet. It would be one of those things that develop over a period of time. Certainly other services would be affected before SETI, but I see the potential for it to happen and would like to prevent it from doing so.

There are many state owned utilities that wthat work quite well. Bell was one of them.

The Bell System was a stock holder owned company that was regulated by each state and the federal government. To this day Verizon, at&t and Quest are still regulated and MUST provide POTS (plane old telephone service)to anyone who wants it in their area at a set price and service level. That's the last vestige of Ma Bell.

I stand corrected in that I implied Bell was state owned but I still assert that there are many well run state owned utilities. As an aside I remember Bell was very good but expensive. You get what you pay for if you are lucky. We were lucky with Bell.

Bell expensive? I guess you never had to pay a Garbage Telephone Equipment bill!

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Perhaps this news was too recent for your educational habits?

I got involved with distributive computing and didn't follow Internet news. My bad.

So net neutrality has been gone since January and in February Netflix paid and got a fast lane from Comcast. Yet in June they were still complaining about Verizon's speeds. Why don't they buy a fast lane? Anyway no one noticed except Comcast's Netflix customs who got a better stream. Netflix should not have paid as it shows that net neutrality didn't work and removing it does. That gives the ISP lobbyists a gunboat full of ammunition.

still assert that there are many well run state owned utilities.

Then there was iProvo. It was built with tax payer money and failed. Google took it over but the tax payers in Utah are still on the hook for the bonds.

Google Fiber In Utah: Why Provo Sold Its $39 Million Internet Service To Google For Just $1

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