Mmmm...., from a different perspective.

http://www.news.com.au/world/michael-brown-shooting-dorian-johnson-testimony-tells-a-different-story/story-fndir2ev-1227136557953

Cheers.

You are wasting your time with Clyde. He has absolutely no understanding of institutionalised racism. He doesn't even understand his own racism.

I think somewhere I read that he has black grandchildren. I really don't think it will come home to him until his black grandchildren are older and they start to tell grandpa Clyde what it is like to deal with cops and a system that is stacked against you when you are black.

Es99...

You are quite disgusting in your personal attacks against others and their family's. But we all know that.

How many Black persons have given their lives for you? How many Black persons would you have, if necessary, given YOUR life? How many Black person's have their name inscribed upon a wall in Washington, and you cry whenever you visits.

How many Black persons have you Partnered with in PD over years? It is in some ways closer than a marriage.

How many Black persons are married to one of daughters', and is the best of your Son-In-Law's? How many Black children call you Grandpa, and you love to death?

YOU speak for THEM? NO YOU DO NOT!!!

Repeating... I find your posts disgusting. And any reply will be the same.

Have a good day.

I too Find ES's post insulting. I have a daughter married to a black man and have 3 by the PC crowd, Bi racial grandchildren. I have also served with black men who I trusted my life with as they trusted theirs to me.
My son in law thinks the crap going on in Ferguson is total BS. Burning dowm your own neighborhood stores does what? It shows a total lack of respect for law. You profess to hate lynch mobs. Well what do you think all that rioting was about? Lets not let due proscess happen, lets burn up stores and cars and loot like its 1999.
Yes, There is latent racism in the US. Was the grandjury browbeat? I have no Idea. Neither do you. Unless one of them states publically that it happend.
You can bet your ass the feds will look at the same forensics and facts. IF they come to a different conclusion and decide to go for charges, Then its a whole different ballgame. Then you get your wish for a trial.
OH, And my son in law thinks the cop was justified. And he grew up in Shrevesport, LA so he knows just a little of what racism is.

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You are wasting your time with Clyde. He has absolutely no understanding of institutionalised racism. He doesn't even understand his own racism.

I think somewhere I read that he has black grandchildren. I really don't think it will come home to him until his black grandchildren are older and they start to tell grandpa Clyde what it is like to deal with cops and a system that is stacked against you when you are black.

Es99...

You are quite disgusting in your personal attacks against others and their family's. But we all know that.

How many Black persons have given their lives for you? How many Black persons would you have, if necessary, given YOUR life? How many Black person's have their name inscribed upon a wall in Washington, and you cry whenever you visits.

How many Black persons have you Partnered with in PD over years? It is in some ways closer than a marriage.

How many Black persons are married to one of daughters', and is the best of your Son-In-Law's? How many Black children call you Grandpa, and you love to death?

YOU speak for THEM? NO YOU DO NOT!!!

Repeating... I find your posts disgusting. And any reply will be the same.

Have a good day.

Considering how many of your posts I find disgusting I'm not really bothered what you think of mine.

I am just politer about how disgusted I am.

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James...

The following would usually be posted in the PM's, but I believe it is important in this discussion.

My son-in-law, and I, believed in waiting for more information, before coming to a conclusion in the Ferguson Incident.

Now we both believe the Officer did nothing to stand trial for.

More important...

With the inter-racial marriage, which both sets of parents wished for. Came Racism from SOME, on BOTH sides.

Yes... Their IS Racial Bigotry within the Black Community, as in the White. Why is it so difficult for White Liberal's to acknowledge this.

This has NOTHING to do with Institutional Racism. But Bigotry directed against Individuals of BOTH Races. Black Racial Bigots are just as vile and evil, as White Racial Bigots.

Well as a parent, I didnt care who she married. But to our parents that was a differant matter. It was dealt with by getting to know each other. And respecting each other as HUMANS.

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Old James

You are wasting your time with Clyde. He has absolutely no understanding of institutionalised racism. He doesn't even understand his own racism.

I think somewhere I read that he has black grandchildren. I really don't think it will come home to him until his black grandchildren are older and they start to tell grandpa Clyde what it is like to deal with cops and a system that is stacked against you when you are black.

Es99...

You are quite disgusting in your personal attacks against others and their family's. But we all know that.

How many Black persons have given their lives for you? How many Black persons would you have, if necessary, given YOUR life? How many Black person's have their name inscribed upon a wall in Washington, and you cry whenever you visits.

How many Black persons have you Partnered with in PD over years? It is in some ways closer than a marriage.

How many Black persons are married to one of daughters', and is the best of your Son-In-Law's? How many Black children call you Grandpa, and you love to death?

YOU speak for THEM? NO YOU DO NOT!!!

Repeating... I find your posts disgusting. And any reply will be the same.

Have a good day.

I too Find ES's post insulting. I have a daughter married to a black man and have 3 by the PC crowd, Bi racial grandchildren. I have also served with black men who I trusted my life with as they trusted theirs to me.
My son in law thinks the crap going on in Ferguson is total BS. Burning dowm your own neighborhood stores does what? It shows a total lack of respect for law. You profess to hate lynch mobs. Well what do you think all that rioting was about? Lets not let due proscess happen, lets burn up stores and cars and loot like its 1999.
Yes, There is latent racism in the US. Was the grandjury browbeat? I have no Idea. Neither do you. Unless one of them states publically that it happend.
You can bet your ass the feds will look at the same forensics and facts. IF they come to a different conclusion and decide to go for charges, Then its a whole different ballgame. Then you get your wish for a trial.
OH, And my son in law thinks the cop was justified. And he grew up in Shrevesport, LA so he knows just a little of what racism is.

I am pretty sure that no one here supports rioting, I certainly never have actually said I do.

I do however take real issue with the people who stand on their high horse and get all self righteous about it without at least giving the tiniest nod of understanding to why people might be so angry and frustrated that they feel this is the only recourse they have.

No one has said that the jury was brow beaten. What has been said by lots of different people was that the prosecutor did not for some reason do his job properly and treated this whole process as if he were a defence lawyer at trial.

Let's have a trial. That would be justice.

Let us not ignore the very real problems that the people of Ferguson have with the police department there. Let us not pretend that in America white people and black people are treated the same. They are not. If they were all those tea party gun nuts would have been shot by the police by now.

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James...

The following would usually be posted in the PM's, but I believe it is important in this discussion.

My son-in-law, and I, believed in waiting for more information, before coming to a conclusion in the Ferguson Incident.

Now we both believe the Officer did nothing to stand trial for.

More important...

With the inter-racial marriage, which both sets of parents wished for. Came Racism from SOME, on BOTH sides.

Yes... Their IS Racial Bigotry within the Black Community, as in the White. Why is it so difficult for White Liberal's to acknowledge this.

This has NOTHING to do with Institutional Racism. But Bigotry directed against Individuals of BOTH Races. Black Racial Bigots are just as vile and evil, as White Racial Bigots.

Well as a parent, I didnt care who she married. But to our parents that was a differant matter. It was dealt with by getting to know each other. And respecting each other as HUMANS.

Same with my wife's parents. But now, after getting to know each other, they agree with me.

Or at least that is what they say to your face.

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James...

The following would usually be posted in the PM's, but I believe it is important in this discussion.

My son-in-law, and I, believed in waiting for more information, before coming to a conclusion in the Ferguson Incident.

Now we both believe the Officer did nothing to stand trial for.

More important...

With the inter-racial marriage, which both sets of parents wished for. Came Racism from SOME, on BOTH sides.

Yes... Their IS Racial Bigotry within the Black Community, as in the White. Why is it so difficult for White Liberal's to acknowledge this.

This has NOTHING to do with Institutional Racism. But Bigotry directed against Individuals of BOTH Races. Black Racial Bigots are just as vile and evil, as White Racial Bigots.

Well as a parent, I didnt care who she married. But to our parents that was a differant matter. It was dealt with by getting to know each other. And respecting each other as HUMANS.

Same with my wife's parents. But now, after getting to know each other, they agree with me.

Or at least that is what they say to your face.

So I should be an ass and not take them for their word?
Edit- Its obvious you do not understand US law. Here we are presumed innocent until proven guilty. A grandjury decides if there is enough eveidence to go to trial. This one didnt.So your beef is its rigged because your social mob rule says it is?
OK find the eveidence that it was rigged and post it.

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Old James

James...

The following would usually be posted in the PM's, but I believe it is important in this discussion.

My son-in-law, and I, believed in waiting for more information, before coming to a conclusion in the Ferguson Incident.

Now we both believe the Officer did nothing to stand trial for.

More important...

With the inter-racial marriage, which both sets of parents wished for. Came Racism from SOME, on BOTH sides.

Yes... Their IS Racial Bigotry within the Black Community, as in the White. Why is it so difficult for White Liberal's to acknowledge this.

This has NOTHING to do with Institutional Racism. But Bigotry directed against Individuals of BOTH Races. Black Racial Bigots are just as vile and evil, as White Racial Bigots.

Well as a parent, I didnt care who she married. But to our parents that was a differant matter. It was dealt with by getting to know each other. And respecting each other as HUMANS.

Same with my wife's parents. But now, after getting to know each other, they agree with me.

Or at least that is what they say to your face.

So I should be an ass and not take them for their word?

Or they could just be being nice and trying to keep the peace?

Who knows. Most people try to avoid sensitive topics with in laws.

I have no doubt that most people agree that the rioting in Ferguson is a disaster. I've been through a couple of race riots and it was very sad, but I also totally understood why the people around me were so angry.

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Es99...

There is evil within you.

I do feel sorry for you.

Good luck.

..and I think you are a very nasty judgemental person who makes sweeping offensive generalisations at every opportunity with no idea why people would find you rude. If you behave to your in laws the way you behave here then I have absolutely no doubt that they would tell you whatever you wanted to hear in order to keep the peace.

I sincerely hope you are not representative of all police officers.

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James...

The following would usually be posted in the PM's, but I believe it is important in this discussion.

My son-in-law, and I, believed in waiting for more information, before coming to a conclusion in the Ferguson Incident.

Now we both believe the Officer did nothing to stand trial for.

More important...

With the inter-racial marriage, which both sets of parents wished for. Came Racism from SOME, on BOTH sides.

Yes... Their IS Racial Bigotry within the Black Community, as in the White. Why is it so difficult for White Liberal's to acknowledge this.

This has NOTHING to do with Institutional Racism. But Bigotry directed against Individuals of BOTH Races. Black Racial Bigots are just as vile and evil, as White Racial Bigots.

Well as a parent, I didnt care who she married. But to our parents that was a differant matter. It was dealt with by getting to know each other. And respecting each other as HUMANS.

Same with my wife's parents. But now, after getting to know each other, they agree with me.

Or at least that is what they say to your face.

So I should be an ass and not take them for their word?

Or they could just be being nice and trying to keep the peace?

Who knows. Most people try to avoid sensitive topics with in laws.

I have no doubt that most people agree that the rioting in Ferguson is a disaster. I've been through a couple of race riots and it was very sad, but I also totally understood why the people around me were so angry.

I for one have had words with in laws when I felt a wrong had been commited. I certainly here from them when I have pissed them off.

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Gentlemen:

It appears as if ES is one of those people who wish to manufacture a reason for something happening who refuses to look at the evidence. She appears to believe every time without exception that if a member of a potentially oppressed class does not have a positive outcome that the only possible reason is another act of oppression. I can only imagine what her life must be like.

I do understand a real rage felt by high pigment persons at police. Their anger is misdirected. Police are assigned where crime happens. So there are 5X police in the hood, ghetto and barrio. With a 5X presence your individual odds of being stopped go up. If you are poor and therefore "ugly in public" your odds of being stopped go up. With that comes the reality that all the minor crap we all do is much more likely to be seen by a cop. So now there are more criminals living there too. It is a vicious cycle. They need to be mad at the cycle.

As to those protestors, watched them bust the crowd last night in Los Angeles. The crowd being arrested did not have many high pigment individuals in it. It looked to be made up of mostly Caucasian professional trouble makers (anarchists), liberal professor types and white trash. It also seemed to have individuals "in charge" who were all Caucasian. It seemed as if they were less interested in getting some political message across than in simply causing disruption, much like a labor protest well away from the place of employment. It won't do anything except get potential allies mad at you.

Here in Los Angeles all the brown skin individuals I work with are very fed up with the protests. They all see a simple set of facts of the case. Idiot gets into a fight with a cop through the window of his patrol car. He grabs for the cops gun and shot(s) are fired. Then he calls the cop a pussy essentially daring him to shoot. They also think he came at the cop again. They mentioned that if it had been a black cop shooting a white kid there wouldn't be any riots or grand jury. And they are talking with each other and I'm just doing the listening.

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Or at least that is what they say to your face.

ES that is rather snarky, you generally are better than that.

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The 99One Said:

I am just politer about how disgusted I am.

I Jumped Off A Cliff and Killed Myself after Reading Dat.

Luckily, I Can Time-Travel, after I'm Dead.

Yep, I Saw The Movie.

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

I do understand a real rage felt by high pigment persons at police. Their anger is misdirected. Police are assigned where crime happens. So there are 5X police in the hood, ghetto and barrio. With a 5X presence your individual odds of being stopped go up. If you are poor and therefore "ugly in public" your odds of being stopped go up. With that comes the reality that all the minor crap we all do is much more likely to be seen by a cop. So now there are more criminals living there too. It is a vicious cycle. They need to be mad at the cycle.

As you said, it is a cycle, a positive feedback loop. The more cops you assign to a 'high crime area' the more crimes you will find, resulting the high crime area to become even higher in crime. But be mad at the cycle? I'm sorry, but who keeps that cycle in place? The police. And if you get arrested for just walking from your home to the store because you happen to live in a bad neighborhood, who is responsible for that arrest? The police. And when they treat you like trash because they think you are a criminal, who does that? The police. So yeah, people have every reason to be mad at police.

On top of that, there is the very real case that the police in general is just insanely trigger happy. The American military has stricter rules of engagements than cops and they are the institution that is supposed to be the one that does all the shooting and killing.

I do understand a real rage felt by high pigment persons at police. Their anger is misdirected. Police are assigned where crime happens. So there are 5X police in the hood, ghetto and barrio. With a 5X presence your individual odds of being stopped go up. If you are poor and therefore "ugly in public" your odds of being stopped go up. With that comes the reality that all the minor crap we all do is much more likely to be seen by a cop. So now there are more criminals living there too. It is a vicious cycle. They need to be mad at the cycle.

As you said, it is a cycle, a positive feedback loop. The more cops you assign to a 'high crime area' the more crimes you will find, resulting the high crime area to become even higher in crime. But be mad at the cycle? I'm sorry, but who keeps that cycle in place? The police.

No not police. Politicians running for office on "get tough on crime platforms." Why? The people they represent demand it! Crime has risen to intolerable levels.

Break the cycle. The cycle feeds on punishment, not rehabilitation. It feeds on mom and dad working three jobs and the kids left to fend for themselves. If feeds because the parents can't come to parent teacher conferences. It feeds because the parents never learned how to raise a child. It feeds because they are to poor to be able to take the time to raise their children. It feeds because there are too many bad actors at close range who prey on their children and seduce them into a life of crime. Break the cycle.

Some of you may not be aware of how smart these targeting operations have become.
http://gangs.umd.edu/gangs/MS13.aspx

The gang is known to heavily recruit school aged members between 10 years of age and up. Gang members are known to hang around middle and high schools to lure prospective members with “skip parties” that offer sex, alcohol and drugs.

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The ARE more violent crimes in poor neighborhoods.
The VICTIMS (remember them) deserve police protection, or at least, incarceration of those who commit these vile, outrageous, and evil acts against them.
I, for one, do not believe the Rape/Murder Victim's should be 'sacrificial lambs' to a groups ideology.

Thats very true.
I do not understand people objecting to that.

Darren Wilson will leave the police force, is that surprising?

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/ferguson-cop-darren-wilson-who-shot-and-killed-michael-brown-will-leave-force/story-fnh81jut-1227138986649

I wonder if he'll be leaving the state as well.

Darren Wilson will leave the police force, is that surprising?
http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/ferguson-cop-darren-wilson-who-shot-and-killed-michael-brown-will-leave-force/story-fnh81jut-1227138986649
I wonder if he'll be leaving the state as well.

I'm surprised. He done what he his told to do.
Make no sense to me.

Darren Wilson will leave the police force, is that surprising?
http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/ferguson-cop-darren-wilson-who-shot-and-killed-michael-brown-will-leave-force/story-fnh81jut-1227138986649
I wonder if he'll be leaving the state as well.

I'm surprised. He done what he his told to do.
Make no sense to me.

He lost the respect of the people who he has to police. Can't do the job without respect. I'm sure in another state he will be changing his name.

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