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Message 1605281 - Posted: 25 Nov 2014, 11:47:57 UTC

I watched the coverage until early this morning. There were young, old, working, retired, men, women, black, white that made up the grand jury. The comments were that every demographic of Ferguson was included.

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Message 1605337 - Posted: 25 Nov 2014, 15:45:06 UTC - in response to Message 1605319.  

Here's the problem with Ferguson.

Apparently the Grand Jury, after hearing ALL The Forensics' and Eye Witnesses:

Ruled that The Force Used by one Human Being, against another attempting to Arm himself with that person's gun, and that Human Being's life was in reasonable danger - was justified. Very simple.

This was the wrong case to raise very valid race issue's.

The Black Leadership MUST choose the correct incident(s), or THEIR credibility will become the issue.

THAT is the real tragedy of Ferguson.

I agree completely. This did not start as a race incident. There are race incidents, but this was not one of them. If a big, heavy white person had done the same thing, then I expect the Officer Wilson would have reacted in the same manner.

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Message 1605413 - Posted: 25 Nov 2014, 22:23:07 UTC

Grandad? When Will The Fight Be Over?

The Time Our People Can Knock Over Convienence Stores;

Push Around and Threaten Clerks;

Walk Down Middle of All Streets;

And When A Cop Pulls Up While Doing So,

Gives Us The A-OK Sign, Smiles and

We Walk On

Until We Feel The Need To Do 'It' Again.

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Message 1605544 - Posted: 26 Nov 2014, 5:29:45 UTC

Well, I guess whatever magic the prosecutor spun to prevent an actual trial worked.

Good to see institutionalised racism is still going strong in America.

You can all pat yourselves on the back at how wonderful the show trial was and how it proves that Michael Brown wasn't killed because he was black.

We'll never really know what would have happened if there had been an actual trial.

All the evidence has been posted online. Look at it yourself and ask if it was really presented in a fair and unbiased way. I am not so sure.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2014/nov/25/darren-wilson-not-indicted-ferguson?
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Message 1605569 - Posted: 26 Nov 2014, 6:41:44 UTC - in response to Message 1605562.  

Well, I guess whatever magic the prosecutor spun to prevent an actual trial worked.

Good to see institutionalised racism is still going strong in America.

You can all pat yourselves on the back at how wonderful the show trial was and how it proves that Michael Brown wasn't killed because he was black.

We'll never really know what would have happened if there had been an actual trial.

All the evidence has been posted online. Look at it yourself and ask if it was really presented in a fair and unbiased way. I am not so sure.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2014/nov/25/darren-wilson-not-indicted-ferguson?

Awaiting the Prosecution, for Perjury, of those, who Under Oath, lied During the Grand Jury Proceeding, regarding Brown being shot in the back, had hands up, shot while on ground, etc.

They are been proven vile and disgusting liars.

Nothing has been proven, Clyde, because there was no trial.

Which seems rather convenient to me.

I'm reading through the documents at the moment. The first thing that strikes me is why a medical examiner of 50 years would have such a distrust of the police.

Interesting.
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Message 1605571 - Posted: 26 Nov 2014, 6:44:36 UTC - in response to Message 1605544.  

Well, I guess whatever magic the prosecutor spun to prevent an actual trial worked.

Good to see institutionalised racism is still going strong in America.

You can all pat yourselves on the back at how wonderful the show trial was and how it proves that Michael Brown wasn't killed because he was black.

We'll never really know what would have happened if there had been an actual trial.

All the evidence has been posted online. Look at it yourself and ask if it was really presented in a fair and unbiased way. I am not so sure.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2014/nov/25/darren-wilson-not-indicted-ferguson?

That is not all the evidence, just most. As it has a witness 63, but not 63 witness statements, that much is obvious.
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Message 1605573 - Posted: 26 Nov 2014, 6:46:23 UTC - in response to Message 1605569.  

http://abcnews.go.com/US/exclusive-police-officer-darren-wilson-explains-feared-life/story?id=27181469
Exclusive: Police Officer Darren Wilson Explains How He Feared for His Life

Exclusive: Darren Wilson Speaks Out For the First Time to George Stephanopoulos

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Message 1605577 - Posted: 26 Nov 2014, 6:50:04 UTC

We'll never really know what would have happened if there had been an actual trial.


Nothing has been proven, Clyde, because there was no trial.


I Can't Believe My Eyes have Read Such As Above.

I Would Make An Excellent, Yes, Excellent Witness. You Know, Being Such An Unbeliever of My Own Eyes and My Mind Then Accepting The Un-Believable.

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Message 1605585 - Posted: 26 Nov 2014, 7:04:33 UTC - in response to Message 1605571.  

Well, I guess whatever magic the prosecutor spun to prevent an actual trial worked.

Good to see institutionalised racism is still going strong in America.

You can all pat yourselves on the back at how wonderful the show trial was and how it proves that Michael Brown wasn't killed because he was black.

We'll never really know what would have happened if there had been an actual trial.

All the evidence has been posted online. Look at it yourself and ask if it was really presented in a fair and unbiased way. I am not so sure.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2014/nov/25/darren-wilson-not-indicted-ferguson?

That is not all the evidence, just most. As it has a witness 63, but not 63 witness statements, that much is obvious.

Did you check the other pages? There are 4 pages, but I haven't counted how many witnesses there are.
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Message 1605586 - Posted: 26 Nov 2014, 7:05:33 UTC - in response to Message 1605569.  

Well, I guess whatever magic the prosecutor spun to prevent an actual trial worked.

Good to see institutionalised racism is still going strong in America.

You can all pat yourselves on the back at how wonderful the show trial was and how it proves that Michael Brown wasn't killed because he was black.

We'll never really know what would have happened if there had been an actual trial.

All the evidence has been posted online. Look at it yourself and ask if it was really presented in a fair and unbiased way. I am not so sure.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2014/nov/25/darren-wilson-not-indicted-ferguson?

Awaiting the Prosecution, for Perjury, of those, who Under Oath, lied During the Grand Jury Proceeding, regarding Brown being shot in the back, had hands up, shot while on ground, etc.

They are been proven vile and disgusting liars.

Nothing has been proven, Clyde, because there was no trial.

Which seems rather convenient to me.

I'm reading through the documents at the moment. The first thing that strikes me is why a medical examiner of 50 years would have such a distrust of the police.

Interesting.

And how convenient that you dont belive a Grand Jury. Their sole purpose is to see IF there is enough eveidance to go to trial.
Before you condenm all of us for racism, Lets see how the whole jury voted.
You can be sure that if any brow beating or any other such nonsense went on during deliberations, It will come out.

And your blanket statement that it was rigged is just as racist.
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Message 1605590 - Posted: 26 Nov 2014, 7:08:39 UTC

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2014/nov/25/ferguson-grand-jury-decision-annotated
"Ferguson grand jury decision: between the lines of the St Louis County prosecutor's announcement

St Louis County prosecutor Bob McCulloch announced on Monday that Darren Wilson would not be charged for the fatal shooting of teenager Michael Brown. In a remarkable 20-minute tirade, McCulloch lashed out at protesters, as well as the ‘insatiable’ media appetite for information. Here’s the story behind what he said"
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Message 1605604 - Posted: 26 Nov 2014, 7:38:03 UTC - in response to Message 1605590.  
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http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2014/nov/25/ferguson-grand-jury-decision-annotated
"Ferguson grand jury decision: between the lines of the St Louis County prosecutor's announcement

St Louis County prosecutor Bob McCulloch announced on Monday that Darren Wilson would not be charged for the fatal shooting of teenager Michael Brown. In a remarkable 20-minute tirade, McCulloch lashed out at protesters, as well as the ‘insatiable’ media appetite for information. Here’s the story behind what he said"

And all those highlighted lines seem to say the same thing that Wilson said in in his interview. And those same highlites even say some supposed witnesses either lied out right or changed their story. Why would they do that?
This case has been tried by social media and the news media. And with out any facts. It was all so called witnesses. Who in your very own link, Many admitt they did'nt see it go down.
You can also be sure that the Federal Government will also take a look at the evidence.
You dont like the outcome? Fine thats your opinon. Dont say it was rigged untill proven allegations are presented saying it was.
And I still want to know what the final vote was.

As for Lisa Bloom she is the equivilent of Nancy Grace. Sorry I think they are two peas in the pod. Ratings are what matter. Social activists my ass.
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Message 1605724 - Posted: 26 Nov 2014, 14:40:56 UTC - in response to Message 1605585.  

Well, I guess whatever magic the prosecutor spun to prevent an actual trial worked.

Good to see institutionalised racism is still going strong in America.

You can all pat yourselves on the back at how wonderful the show trial was and how it proves that Michael Brown wasn't killed because he was black.

We'll never really know what would have happened if there had been an actual trial.

All the evidence has been posted online. Look at it yourself and ask if it was really presented in a fair and unbiased way. I am not so sure.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2014/nov/25/darren-wilson-not-indicted-ferguson?

That is not all the evidence, just most. As it has a witness 63, but not 63 witness statements, that much is obvious.

Did you check the other pages? There are 4 pages, but I haven't counted how many witnesses there are.

I did. Many missing witness statements based on the numbering.
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Message 1605751 - Posted: 26 Nov 2014, 16:44:41 UTC - in response to Message 1605724.  

Well, I guess whatever magic the prosecutor spun to prevent an actual trial worked.

Good to see institutionalised racism is still going strong in America.

You can all pat yourselves on the back at how wonderful the show trial was and how it proves that Michael Brown wasn't killed because he was black.

We'll never really know what would have happened if there had been an actual trial.

All the evidence has been posted online. Look at it yourself and ask if it was really presented in a fair and unbiased way. I am not so sure.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2014/nov/25/darren-wilson-not-indicted-ferguson?

That is not all the evidence, just most. As it has a witness 63, but not 63 witness statements, that much is obvious.

Did you check the other pages? There are 4 pages, but I haven't counted how many witnesses there are.

I did. Many missing witness statements based on the numbering.

I wonder what was in them.

If they give contradictory accounts to ones that support Darren Wilson then that would be enough grounds to indict.

If they support Darren Wilson then on what grounds were they left out?
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Message 1605760 - Posted: 26 Nov 2014, 17:10:28 UTC - in response to Message 1605751.  

I wonder what was in them.

File a FOIA!

If they give contradictory accounts to ones that support Darren Wilson then that would be enough grounds to indict.

If they support Darren Wilson then on what grounds were they left out?

Want to bet most of them start, "I heard a bunch of gunshots."
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And how convenient that you dont belive a Grand Jury. Their sole purpose is to see IF there is enough eveidance to go to trial.
Before you condenm all of us for racism, Lets see how the whole jury voted.
You can be sure that if any brow beating or any other such nonsense went on during deliberations, It will come out.

And your blanket statement that it was rigged is just as racist.

Why should you believe this grand jury? 3 black people and 9 white people in a town that is predominantly black? And with the dead victim being black and the shooter being white, in the American south? Yeah that jury sounds fair. Even better is that in order to go for trial, 9 out of 12 jurors should have voted for going to trial. Thats 75%. Basically, a tiny minority of exactly 4 people could vote for not going to trial and thats what would have happened. I dunno, it seems a little idiotic that in democratized justice the minority gets to impose its will on the majority.

So yeah, tell me why any of us should trust this sham of a grand jury proceeding?
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And how convenient that you dont belive a Grand Jury. Their sole purpose is to see IF there is enough eveidance to go to trial.
Before you condenm all of us for racism, Lets see how the whole jury voted.
You can be sure that if any brow beating or any other such nonsense went on during deliberations, It will come out.

And your blanket statement that it was rigged is just as racist.

Why should you believe this grand jury? 3 black people and 9 white people in a town that is predominantly black? And with the dead victim being black and the shooter being white, in the American south? Yeah that jury sounds fair. Even better is that in order to go for trial, 9 out of 12 jurors should have voted for going to trial. Thats 75%. Basically, a tiny minority of exactly 4 people could vote for not going to trial and thats what would have happened. I dunno, it seems a little idiotic that in democratized justice the minority gets to impose its will on the majority.

So yeah, tell me why any of us should trust this sham of a grand jury proceeding?

You are wasting your time with Clyde. He has absolutely no understanding of institutionalised racism. He doesn't even understand his own racism.

I think somewhere I read that he has black grandchildren. I really don't think it will come home to him until his black grandchildren are older and they start to tell grandpa Clyde what it is like to deal with cops and a system that is stacked against you when you are black.
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And how convenient that you dont belive a Grand Jury. Their sole purpose is to see IF there is enough eveidance to go to trial.
Before you condenm all of us for racism, Lets see how the whole jury voted.
You can be sure that if any brow beating or any other such nonsense went on during deliberations, It will come out.

And your blanket statement that it was rigged is just as racist.

Why should you believe this grand jury? 3 black people and 9 white people in a town that is predominantly black? And with the dead victim being black and the shooter being white, in the American south? Yeah that jury sounds fair. Even better is that in order to go for trial, 9 out of 12 jurors should have voted for going to trial. Thats 75%. Basically, a tiny minority of exactly 4 people could vote for not going to trial and thats what would have happened. I dunno, it seems a little idiotic that in democratized justice the minority gets to impose its will on the majority.

So yeah, tell me why any of us should trust this sham of a grand jury proceeding?

You are wasting your time with Clyde. He has absolutely no understanding of institutionalised racism. He doesn't even understand his own racism.

I think somewhere I read that he has black grandchildren. I really don't think it will come home to him until his black grandchildren are older and they start to tell grandpa Clyde what it is like to deal with cops and a system that is stacked against you when you are black.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_FERGUSON_GRAND_JURY_INCONSISTENCIES_?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-11-27-11-10-08
FERGUSON, Mo. (AP) -- Some witnesses said Michael Brown had been shot in the back. Another said he was face-down on the ground when Officer Darren Wilson "finished him off." Still others acknowledged changing their stories to fit published details about the autopsy or admitted that they did not see the shooting at all.

An Associated Press review of thousands of pages of grand jury documents reveals numerous examples of statements made during the shooting investigation that were inconsistent, fabricated or provably wrong. For one, the autopsies ultimately showed Brown was not struck by any bullets in his back.

You are quite right about the institutionalized racism in America. The question is what institutions [intentionally plural] are supporting it.

Should the grand jury have returned perjury charges against those who "fabricated" evidence?
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