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Message 1559892 - Posted: 21 Aug 2014, 5:33:33 UTC - in response to Message 1559886.

Long day :(

Sorry, that was my yesterday. I'm hoping for a good Thorsday.
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Message 1559908 - Posted: 21 Aug 2014, 6:56:09 UTC

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Message 1559994 - Posted: 21 Aug 2014, 13:57:21 UTC

I think you guys are missing the point that I was trying to get across, so I'll try again. Both of you gave excellent examples of someone coming back from being beaten to nearly unconsciousness and I have no problem with that. Clyde, I'm positive that you were one of the good guys and I am greatly appreciative and grateful for that. And, from what you described you did not charge the crowd with your service piece drawn. On the other hand Officer Wilson did not only have his weapon drawn but advanced, according to some witnesses, and all of the hits on Michael's body was concentrated in two specific areas, the right side of his body specifically the right arm and his head. That is an like an almost instantaneous complete clearing of his mind and gaining extremely sharp focus to accomplish what he did. This is completely different then walking away from a standing eight count or charging into a crowd. With my short years as a spec ops operator, and I say short because I didn't make a career out of it, I doubt that I could have pulled that off.
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Message 1560021 - Posted: 21 Aug 2014, 15:20:28 UTC - in response to Message 1559994.

I think you guys are missing the point that I was trying to get across, so I'll try again. Both of you gave excellent examples of someone coming back from being beaten to nearly unconsciousness and I have no problem with that. Clyde, I'm positive that you were one of the good guys and I am greatly appreciative and grateful for that. And, from what you described you did not charge the crowd with your service piece drawn. On the other hand Officer Wilson did not only have his weapon drawn but advanced, according to some witnesses, and all of the hits on Michael's body was concentrated in two specific areas, the right side of his body specifically the right arm and his head. That is an like an almost instantaneous complete clearing of his mind and gaining extremely sharp focus to accomplish what he did. This is completely different then walking away from a standing eight count or charging into a crowd. With my short years as a spec ops operator, and I say short because I didn't make a career out of it, I doubt that I could have pulled that off.

You are also missing my point. NEVER said the shooting was justified. That is up to the investigation. Did respond to Police Shootings my last year in PD.

My complaint's are about those Race Baiter's attempting, and succeeding in injecting THEIR racial bigotry into this incident. Where exactly is there any indication of racial bigotry, on the part of the Cop, or the Teenager? There is none. Except in the minds of bigot's.

When you have a number of witness's, significantly contracting each other: Why chose the side where the forensics impeaches them?

Regarding the placement of the bullet wounds: If the Cop is Right-handed, most of his shots will be on the RIGHT side of the victim, who is facing him (also contradicts some witness's). Despite training, most Officer's will 'jerk' their right trigger finger towards his (cop's) left. DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME!

One does not need "sharp focus" to pull a trigger.
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Message 1560049 - Posted: 21 Aug 2014, 16:34:27 UTC - in response to Message 1560021.

I think you guys are missing the point that I was trying to get across, so I'll try again. Both of you gave excellent examples of someone coming back from being beaten to nearly unconsciousness and I have no problem with that. Clyde, I'm positive that you were one of the good guys and I am greatly appreciative and grateful for that. And, from what you described you did not charge the crowd with your service piece drawn. On the other hand Officer Wilson did not only have his weapon drawn but advanced, according to some witnesses, and all of the hits on Michael's body was concentrated in two specific areas, the right side of his body specifically the right arm and his head. That is an like an almost instantaneous complete clearing of his mind and gaining extremely sharp focus to accomplish what he did. This is completely different then walking away from a standing eight count or charging into a crowd. With my short years as a spec ops operator, and I say short because I didn't make a career out of it, I doubt that I could have pulled that off.

You are also missing my point. NEVER said the shooting was justified. That is up to the investigation. Did respond to Police Shootings my last year in PD.

My complaint's are about those Race Baiter's attempting, and succeeding in injecting THEIR racial bigotry into this incident. Where exactly is there any indication of racial bigotry, on the part of the Cop, or the Teenager? There is none. Except in the minds of bigot's.

When you have a number of witness's, significantly contracting each other: Why chose the side where the forensics impeaches them?

Regarding the placement of the bullet wounds: If the Cop is Right-handed, most of his shots will be on the RIGHT side of the victim, who is facing him (also contradicts some witness's). Despite training, most Officer's will 'jerk' their right trigger finger towards his (cop's) left. DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME!

One does not need "sharp focus" to pull a trigger.

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Message 1560149 - Posted: 21 Aug 2014, 18:33:52 UTC - in response to Message 1560049.
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What is Institutional Racism?

So...

ALL people's actions will be judged according to their RACE.

Where, in history, have we heard THAT before.
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Message 1560198 - Posted: 21 Aug 2014, 18:58:50 UTC - in response to Message 1560149.

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CHP officer videotaped punching woman could face 'serious charges'

The California Highway Patrol announced Wednesday that one of its officers faces “potentially serious charges” for repeatedly punching a woman in the head along the 10 Freeway in July, an incident that was caught on video and posted to YouTube, causing widespread outrage.

In addition to turning its criminal investigation over to the Los Angeles County district attorney's office for review, the CHP also said that the officer, Daniel Andrew, had been moved from desk duty to administrative time off.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-chp-officer-beating-potentially-serious-charges-20140820-story.html
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Message 1560220 - Posted: 21 Aug 2014, 19:19:22 UTC - in response to Message 1560198.
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Back to the original case.

CHP officer videotaped punching woman could face 'serious charges'

The future of the 'Officer' does seem apparent.

Why wasn't THIS 'Officer' accused of Racism, or 'Institutional Racism'? The Video showed it was a white cop.

Because people of Good Will understand Abuse of Authority, is just that. And has a myriad of individual reasons, which the evil Race Baiter's cannot understand.
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Message 1560223 - Posted: 21 Aug 2014, 19:26:29 UTC - in response to Message 1560220.

Back to the original case.

CHP officer videotaped punching woman could face 'serious charges'

The future of the 'Officer' does seem apparent.

Why wasn't THIS 'Officer' accused of Racism, or 'Institutional Racism'? The Video showed it was a white cop.

Because people of Good Will understand Abuse of Authority, is just that. And has a myriad of individual reasons, which the evil Race Baiter's cannot understand.

Evil eh? Are you sure you know what that word means?
Evil is making assumptions about a man based on the colour of his skin then gunning him down on the street.
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Message 1560242 - Posted: 21 Aug 2014, 19:55:07 UTC - in response to Message 1560223.

Back to the original case.

CHP officer videotaped punching woman could face 'serious charges'

The future of the 'Officer' does seem apparent.

Why wasn't THIS 'Officer' accused of Racism, or 'Institutional Racism'? The Video showed it was a white cop.

Because people of Good Will understand Abuse of Authority, is just that. And has a myriad of individual reasons, which the evil Race Baiter's cannot understand.

Evil eh? Are you sure you know what that word means?
Evil is making assumptions about a man based on the colour of his skin then gunning him down on the street.


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Message 1560285 - Posted: 21 Aug 2014, 20:54:47 UTC

It seems to me the American military has higher standards as to when they are allowed to shoot than American cops. Hmm, that doesn't make a lot of sense.

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Message 1560292 - Posted: 21 Aug 2014, 21:05:17 UTC - in response to Message 1560285.

It seems to me the American military has higher standards as to when they are allowed to shoot than American cops. Hmm, that doesn't make a lot of sense.


That's only an assumption Michiel.
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Message 1560310 - Posted: 21 Aug 2014, 21:44:04 UTC - in response to Message 1560198.

Back to the original case.

CHP officer videotaped punching woman could face 'serious charges'

The California Highway Patrol announced Wednesday that one of its officers faces “potentially serious charges” for repeatedly punching a woman in the head along the 10 Freeway in July, an incident that was caught on video and posted to YouTube, causing widespread outrage.

In addition to turning its criminal investigation over to the Los Angeles County district attorney's office for review, the CHP also said that the officer, Daniel Andrew, had been moved from desk duty to administrative time off.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-chp-officer-beating-potentially-serious-charges-20140820-story.html

Thanks for the update Lynn.

An internal investigation into the matter remains ongoing. (CHP that is)

Now this bit is just plain pathetic, if they can't finish up an investigation well within this time then they shouldn't be doing the job in the first place (I bet that if this was done by almost anyone else they would've been before a judge by now).

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Message 1560332 - Posted: 21 Aug 2014, 22:49:49 UTC - in response to Message 1560285.

It seems to me the American military has higher standards as to when they are allowed to shoot than American cops. Hmm, that doesn't make a lot of sense.

Really? Let's apply the standard used on Osama bin Laden. If he was unarmed it was within policy to shoot him, he was the enemy period the end. That seems to be the same standard a police officer can use on a jail escapee.
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Message 1560357 - Posted: 22 Aug 2014, 0:07:43 UTC - in response to Message 1560220.

My point was being that not withstanding a case of pulling his self back to full awareness and with most likely at a mild concussion, his grouping is most remarkable. Yes, right-handed shooters will jerk to the left and up, but that is mostly the mechanics of firing a weapon. But to consistently bring his weapon, back with that sight picture in that grouping is remarkable. All of this along with a possible eye socket, which some voices have stated. I say voices, for as far as I know we have yet to see their faces. Still haven't seen anything from the police department concerning Wilson, but everything that has come from that same department has been adverse to Michael.

Back to the original case.

CHP officer videotaped punching woman could face 'serious charges'

The future of the 'Officer' does seem apparent.

Why wasn't THIS 'Officer' accused of Racism, or 'Institutional Racism'? The Video showed it was a white cop.

Because people of Good Will understand Abuse of Authority, is just that. And has a myriad of individual reasons, which the evil Race Baiter's cannot understand.


There was, but you just didn't notice.

I had hoped that I wouldn't have to go here at this time, but it seems that I must. So to all of you that might take umbrage of what I'm about to say, I truly apologize that I seem like an angry black man. Most of what I will attempt to say will be in broad strokes, but I think you will get the general idea.

I have stated before in this thread and I will repeat myself once again. In order to know a thing - You must first understand a thing. There is only one people in this country that are truly real Americans, and what is left of them sit mostly of reservations in poverty and they are the American Indian or Native American if you wish. All the rest of us are invaders and immigrants. Europeans came to this land and completely dominated the original residents, claiming all of their land and giving them in return just enough land to survive on, and the areas of that land was pretty abysmal if you truly look at it.

Immigration - Every nationality that came to this land that was not generally from the European mainland ended up in some sort of indentured servitude. But as time went on they were accepted into the general population. All except the African Brought to this land in slavery and has been kept in such a low esteem to this day. Slavery abounded and a great many people made vast amounts of money from the idea of owning a human being as their personal property.

How many of you remember you American History lessons or have even been aware of how gross slavery was/is. When the Continental Congress as putting the Constitution together, it would not have been signed if the slaves were kept out of it and no room provided for them in it. The Southern States would have revolted and there would have been no constitution, and slavery prevailed. This is where the term "STATES RIGHTS" was termed and it has evolved into an environment where you either work with what I give you or don't work at all. Labor unions, which btw, have given you the 40hr. work week, paid vacation time, paid sick time, etc. are dying because the Republican/Tea party see them as the enemy. Remember the Volkwagen plant that tried to unionize down south and it failed, basically because the Republican governor made TV and radio commercials and lying out of both sides of his mouth not too long ago. The justice department stepped in and said what he did was not only unlawful, but unconstitutional. Many myths started by these slave owners that still live today, like the Negro is lazy and must be whipped to get any work out of the and that they essentially cowards. Another is that if the African slave were ever set free, they will kill all of the white men and rape all the white women. This created a vast amount of fear to this day for no reason. A complete African-American town was wiped out because of some white woman told here husband that a black boy raped and beat her, when he did not, it was made into a movie called Rosewood. Do research on the Rosewood massacre during Jan. 1-7, 1923, but I digress.

Slavery had taken place in just about every state in the union, but it mainly manifested itself in the south. I must state here that there were a great many people who tried and were successful to get Negroes out of slavery and into the northern states to freedom, and a great number of them were Republicans; PLEASE KEEP THIS IN MIND as we continue out travels down this road.

Does anyone remember or have even heard of a Mr. Dred Scott. His quest for freedom for himself and his wife in St. Louis Missouri sparked the Civil War. Over many years his case was brought to the U.S. Supreme Court and lost. He eventually get his freedom, but it was not by the highest court in the land. He died before he could fully enjoy his freedom.

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In March of 1857, the United States Supreme Court, led by Chief Justice Roger B. Taney, declared that all blacks -- slaves as well as free -- were not and could never become citizens of the United States. The court also declared the 1820 Missouri Compromise unconstitutional, thus permiting slavery in all of the country's territories.[/excerpt]

Judge Taney is has also been quoted when referring to the language of the Declaration of Independence that includes the phrase, "all men are created equal,"
[quote]"it is too clear for dispute, that the enslaved African race were not intended to be included, and formed no part of the people who framed and adopted this declaration. . . ."[/quote]

As time progressed, we have Colfax - 4/13,1873, Coushatta - August, 1874, Elain - 9/30/1919. I bet many of you ever heard of Greenwood Oklahoma. It was the most successful and wealthiest of the African-American communities during the early 20th century, and it all ended on May 31st & June 1, 1921. Rebuilt, but never the same.

Segregation was the law of the land until the mid 1960's. But the opposite got a two really big boosts. One was by an experiment forced on President Roosevelt by the black community and Mrs. Roosevelt, the Tuskegee Airmen were formed. Fully trained and ready to fight, but because no white commander would allow it, the sat, still training in Alabama until Mrs. Roosevelt paid a visit to Tuskegee field and was taken up for a ride by one of the airmen at her request. She went back to Washington and pressured her husband to send them overseas to fight. Although they were in segregated units, even on integrated bases the 302nd Fighter group had one of the best records in the war. NEVER LOST AN AIRCRAFT TO ENEMY FIRE. Came back to the states and it was the same old thing, Whites to the right - Negroes to the left. Lynching were quite command all over the land, but mostly in the south. Overall some Blacks were able to rise out of the mire of poverty and were successful, but it was not the case in the south. Blacks were kept at the bottom of the economic scale, keep this in mind also as it will come up later.

Fast forward to the mid-50s to mid 60s and you have the modern Civil Rights Era. School and church bombings, must sit in the back of the bus, can't eat at the counter, mass beating of protest marchers, etc. The Civil Rights and Voting Rights laws came into being, but it was done through non-violent means on the side of the cause. Oh, I almost forget - don't forget Opelousas, La. on 9/28, 1968.

As much as we have attempted to be assimilated into the economy and fabric of this country, the more difficult the other side is attempting to make it for us. I have stated in previous posts on this thread that the Republican party of old made great strides in attempting this, and you would be greatly surprised of the number of Black Republican there were in this country. But all of that changed in the mid-60s. Back then, it was the Southern Democrats that were the segregationists and the Republicans were the integrators. When the rest of the Democratic party raised hell, these people left the party and the Southern Republicans welcomed with open arms, thus eventually giving us the Republican/Tea Party that we have today.

During all of this time, what are the state of things economically to the black population. The criminalization of the black man was well under way and the birth to prison economics grew. The likelihood that blacks were arrested and jailed grew exponentially than that for whites for the same crimes. Do some research and find me where it is reversed. I believe that everyone will agree with me that without a good education, you will get nowhere. So, let's start with the schools. As the black population advanced and their economics grew, those that could afford it moved out of the slums to better neighborhoods and into better schools. Whites fled to the suburbs taking the most experienced teachers with them. Leaving the least experienced teachers to teach in the city schools and trying to give a quality education experience even though they have no prior experience themselves. And little chance for advancement out of the slums as there are no jobs.

Now that there are so many of us in the suburbs, whites are coming back to the cities through what is commonly known as gentrification, driving up rental costs and housing prices that the local folks can't afford, thus driving them out of their neighborhoods. Look at Harlem, N.Y. as an example.

Through all of this the country has elected its first African-American president, not once but twice. The night of his inauguration, top politicians of the Republican/Tea Party sat in a restaurant not far away to plan on how to stop him from succeeding and make him a one term president. It has nothing to do with his policies as most people think, it has to do with his race. John Boehner has stated that it makes him physically sick to stand next to him - research it. This man has bought the country back from the brink of disaster and the economy has picked up past the point of where it was where George W. Bush left us in. We can put an enormous amount of people back to work fixing the country's infrastructure, but the Republican party will not pass his jobs bills. We have a large portion of the country's states that are run by Republicans as we all well know. Starting with the 2008 election there was a drive to limit certain portions of the populace the ability to vote in what took fifty years to create. The U.S. Supreme Court struck down the most potent element of the Voting Rights Act and within literally within a couple of hours voter's rights were being denied. Can anyone guess where the majority of this is happening - any and every state that the Republican/Tea party controls. These efforts had more than doubled during the 2010 elections and are still continuing today. Thankfully some of these laws have been overturned and ruled unconstitutional. Not because they stopped anyone from voting, but the effect that the laws had on lower income citizens, people of color and senior citizens.

We have lost the greater majority of our great leaders, either through natural death or by assignation. Us old heads, who have been through the trials and tribulations, and hate of the Civil Right Era are attempting to keep the heat down and calm the savage beast in the heart of the young ones, but it is getting extremely hard to do so.

Present day, St. Louis has been classified as the 9th most segregated city in the country. Ferguson's populace is mostly black, but it is a tale of two cities which sits in a Republican controlled county. On hand you have the white citizenry who see nothing wrong or have no clue with what have been festering among the black community over several years. On the other hand you have a populace that high unemployment, has been beat down by the police, etc. The black community has very little or no say in the management of the town. Its elections are held off year and as everyone know democrats have a very low voter turnout in off years. My memory is a little rusty on this but you can check it out, the 2010 elections 6%, 2012 elections 86%. Michael's death broke the camel's back. Most whites have no idea what is happening in the black community in regards to their treatment by the police, and if they had their way they would like to shove it under the rug, and as they say in B'klyn - Forgit 'bout it.

We are the most forgiving and pleasant race in the world, if only you will only let us out from under your thumb, allow us to be ourselves, get a quality education, and let us prosper as you have. Racism folks is simply economics and greed. Take the money factor out of the equation and racism will disappear.


Sorry to seem like I'm rambling and again I apologize to anyone offended.
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Message 1560360 - Posted: 22 Aug 2014, 0:13:24 UTC - in response to Message 1560332.

It seems to me the American military has higher standards as to when they are allowed to shoot than American cops. Hmm, that doesn't make a lot of sense.

Really? Let's apply the standard used on Osama bin Laden. If he was unarmed it was within policy to shoot him, he was the enemy period the end. That seems to be the same standard a police officer can use on a jail escapee.


Actually I believe the teams were instructed to take OBL alive if possible. Even though there appeared to be a vast amount of data retrieved a lot more could have been possible if he was interrogated.
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Message 1560373 - Posted: 22 Aug 2014, 0:58:02 UTC - in response to Message 1560223.

Back to the original case.

CHP officer videotaped punching woman could face 'serious charges'

The future of the 'Officer' does seem apparent.

Why wasn't THIS 'Officer' accused of Racism, or 'Institutional Racism'? The Video showed it was a white cop.

Because people of Good Will understand Abuse of Authority, is just that. And has a myriad of individual reasons, which the evil Race Baiter's cannot understand.

Evil eh? Are you sure you know what that word means?
Evil is making assumptions about a man based on the colour of his skin then gunning him down on the street.

Evil is making a Racist Assumption regarding either person in this incident, because of his race.

Are you making an Evil Racist Assumption regarding the race of either one?
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Message 1560376 - Posted: 22 Aug 2014, 1:05:32 UTC - in response to Message 1560373.

Back to the original case.

CHP officer videotaped punching woman could face 'serious charges'

The future of the 'Officer' does seem apparent.

Why wasn't THIS 'Officer' accused of Racism, or 'Institutional Racism'? The Video showed it was a white cop.

Because people of Good Will understand Abuse of Authority, is just that. And has a myriad of individual reasons, which the evil Race Baiter's cannot understand.

Evil eh? Are you sure you know what that word means?
Evil is making assumptions about a man based on the colour of his skin then gunning him down on the street.

Evil is making a Racist Assumption regarding either person in this incident, because of his race.

Are you making an Evil Racist Assumption regarding the race of either one?

You should read Cliff's post. I think Cliff has pretty much got it covered.
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Message 1560378 - Posted: 22 Aug 2014, 1:06:41 UTC
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Cliff...

Most of what I will attempt to say will be in broad strokes, but I think you will get the general idea.

That is very understandable, in a broader context.

What is being discussed is about An Individual, who may be innocent of any racism. Not speaking of any criminal charges.

To vilify anyone, since he happens to be Black/Asian/White is Bigotry.

You might be surprised that I loved your entire post, and agreed with MOST.
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Message 1560389 - Posted: 22 Aug 2014, 1:49:20 UTC - in response to Message 1560357.
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There was, but you just didn't notice.

Oh, I did. It wasn't the level of vitriol as the other case. In was barely a blip here in Los Angeles. Most of what I heard came from people outside the region.

There is a reason for that. The CHP is not the LAPD or the LASD. If you aren't local that won't mean anything. The CHP writes traffic tickets on the state highways. They don't do neighborhood prowl car hassle the usual suspects. The LAPD and the LASD do those things. The CHP is a professional orginization and it knows how to investigate its own and isn't afraid to hang a bad officer. The LAPD said the beating of Rodney King was in policy! Of course the LAPD has the LAPPL, Los Angeles Police Protection League, or as it operates the Los Angeles Perjury Protection League, that insists that no officer can ever do any wrong. As to the LASD, they have officers sitting in jail, awaiting trial, for staging gang fights in the jail so they could wager on the outcome. The LASD even went so far as to intimidate the FBI!
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