Long day :(

Sorry, that was my yesterday. I'm hoping for a good Thorsday.

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Police release video of Kajieme Powell fatal shooting in St Louis

Authorities release recordings of death that came amid extreme tension in nearby Ferguson over Michael Brown killing

Video - warnings apply to content

I think you guys are missing the point that I was trying to get across, so I'll try again. Both of you gave excellent examples of someone coming back from being beaten to nearly unconsciousness and I have no problem with that. Clyde, I'm positive that you were one of the good guys and I am greatly appreciative and grateful for that. And, from what you described you did not charge the crowd with your service piece drawn. On the other hand Officer Wilson did not only have his weapon drawn but advanced, according to some witnesses, and all of the hits on Michael's body was concentrated in two specific areas, the right side of his body specifically the right arm and his head. That is an like an almost instantaneous complete clearing of his mind and gaining extremely sharp focus to accomplish what he did. This is completely different then walking away from a standing eight count or charging into a crowd. With my short years as a spec ops operator, and I say short because I didn't make a career out of it, I doubt that I could have pulled that off.

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I think you guys are missing the point that I was trying to get across, so I'll try again. Both of you gave excellent examples of someone coming back from being beaten to nearly unconsciousness and I have no problem with that. Clyde, I'm positive that you were one of the good guys and I am greatly appreciative and grateful for that. And, from what you described you did not charge the crowd with your service piece drawn. On the other hand Officer Wilson did not only have his weapon drawn but advanced, according to some witnesses, and all of the hits on Michael's body was concentrated in two specific areas, the right side of his body specifically the right arm and his head. That is an like an almost instantaneous complete clearing of his mind and gaining extremely sharp focus to accomplish what he did. This is completely different then walking away from a standing eight count or charging into a crowd. With my short years as a spec ops operator, and I say short because I didn't make a career out of it, I doubt that I could have pulled that off.

You are also missing my point. NEVER said the shooting was justified. That is up to the investigation. Did respond to Police Shootings my last year in PD.

My complaint's are about those Race Baiter's attempting, and succeeding in injecting THEIR racial bigotry into this incident. Where exactly is there any indication of racial bigotry, on the part of the Cop, or the Teenager? There is none. Except in the minds of bigot's.

When you have a number of witness's, significantly contracting each other: Why chose the side where the forensics impeaches them?

Regarding the placement of the bullet wounds: If the Cop is Right-handed, most of his shots will be on the RIGHT side of the victim, who is facing him (also contradicts some witness's). Despite training, most Officer's will 'jerk' their right trigger finger towards his (cop's) left. DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME!

One does not need "sharp focus" to pull a trigger.

What is Institutional Racism?
"Institutions can respond to Blacks and Whites differently. Institutional behavior can injure Blacks, and when it does, it is racist in outcome, if not in intent. "

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CHP officer videotaped punching woman could face 'serious charges'

The California Highway Patrol announced Wednesday that one of its officers faces “potentially serious charges” for repeatedly punching a woman in the head along the 10 Freeway in July, an incident that was caught on video and posted to YouTube, causing widespread outrage.

In addition to turning its criminal investigation over to the Los Angeles County district attorney's office for review, the CHP also said that the officer, Daniel Andrew, had been moved from desk duty to administrative time off.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-chp-officer-beating-potentially-serious-charges-20140820-story.html

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Back to the original case.

CHP officer videotaped punching woman could face 'serious charges'

The future of the 'Officer' does seem apparent.

Why wasn't THIS 'Officer' accused of Racism, or 'Institutional Racism'? The Video showed it was a white cop.

Because people of Good Will understand Abuse of Authority, is just that. And has a myriad of individual reasons, which the evil Race Baiter's cannot understand.

Evil eh? Are you sure you know what that word means?
Evil is making assumptions about a man based on the colour of his skin then gunning him down on the street.

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Back to the original case.

CHP officer videotaped punching woman could face 'serious charges'

The future of the 'Officer' does seem apparent.

Why wasn't THIS 'Officer' accused of Racism, or 'Institutional Racism'? The Video showed it was a white cop.

Because people of Good Will understand Abuse of Authority, is just that. And has a myriad of individual reasons, which the evil Race Baiter's cannot understand.

Evil eh? Are you sure you know what that word means?
Evil is making assumptions about a man based on the colour of his skin then gunning him down on the street.

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It seems to me the American military has higher standards as to when they are allowed to shoot than American cops. Hmm, that doesn't make a lot of sense.

It seems to me the American military has higher standards as to when they are allowed to shoot than American cops. Hmm, that doesn't make a lot of sense.

That's only an assumption Michiel.

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Back to the original case.

CHP officer videotaped punching woman could face 'serious charges'

The California Highway Patrol announced Wednesday that one of its officers faces “potentially serious charges” for repeatedly punching a woman in the head along the 10 Freeway in July, an incident that was caught on video and posted to YouTube, causing widespread outrage.

In addition to turning its criminal investigation over to the Los Angeles County district attorney's office for review, the CHP also said that the officer, Daniel Andrew, had been moved from desk duty to administrative time off.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-chp-officer-beating-potentially-serious-charges-20140820-story.html

Thanks for the update Lynn.

An internal investigation into the matter remains ongoing. (CHP that is)

Now this bit is just plain pathetic, if they can't finish up an investigation well within this time then they shouldn't be doing the job in the first place (I bet that if this was done by almost anyone else they would've been before a judge by now).

Cheers.

It seems to me the American military has higher standards as to when they are allowed to shoot than American cops. Hmm, that doesn't make a lot of sense.

Really? Let's apply the standard used on Osama bin Laden. If he was unarmed it was within policy to shoot him, he was the enemy period the end. That seems to be the same standard a police officer can use on a jail escapee.

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My point was being that not withstanding a case of pulling his self back to full awareness and with most likely at a mild concussion, his grouping is most remarkable. Yes, right-handed shooters will jerk to the left and up, but that is mostly the mechanics of firing a weapon. But to consistently bring his weapon, back with that sight picture in that grouping is remarkable. All of this along with a possible eye socket, which some voices have stated. I say voices, for as far as I know we have yet to see their faces. Still haven't seen anything from the police department concerning Wilson, but everything that has come from that same department has been adverse to Michael.

Back to the original case.

CHP officer videotaped punching woman could face 'serious charges'

The future of the 'Officer' does seem apparent.

Why wasn't THIS 'Officer' accused of Racism, or 'Institutional Racism'? The Video showed it was a white cop.

Because people of Good Will understand Abuse of Authority, is just that. And has a myriad of individual reasons, which the evil Race Baiter's cannot understand.

There was, but you just didn't notice.

I had hoped that I wouldn't have to go here at this time, but it seems that I must. So to all of you that might take umbrage of what I'm about to say, I truly apologize that I seem like an angry black man. Most of what I will attempt to say will be in broad strokes, but I think you will get the general idea.

I have stated before in this thread and I will repeat myself once again. In order to know a thing - You must first understand a thing. There is only one people in this country that are truly real Americans, and what is left of them sit mostly of reservations in poverty and they are the American Indian or Native American if you wish. All the rest of us are invaders and immigrants. Europeans came to this land and completely dominated the original residents, claiming all of their land and giving them in return just enough land to survive on, and the areas of that land was pretty abysmal if you truly look at it.

Immigration - Every nationality that came to this land that was not generally from the European mainland ended up in some sort of indentured servitude. But as time went on they were accepted into the general population. All except the African Brought to this land in slavery and has been kept in such a low esteem to this day. Slavery abounded and a great many people made vast amounts of money from the idea of owning a human being as their personal property.

How many of you remember you American History lessons or have even been aware of how gross slavery was/is. When the Continental Congress as putting the Constitution together, it would not have been signed if the slaves were kept out of it and no room provided for them in it. The Southern States would have revolted and there would have been no constitution, and slavery prevailed. This is where the term "STATES RIGHTS" was termed and it has evolved into an environment where you either work with what I give you or don't work at all. Labor unions, which btw, have given you the 40hr. work week, paid vacation time, paid sick time, etc. are dying because the Republican/Tea party see them as the enemy. Remember the Volkwagen plant that tried to unionize down south and it failed, basically because the Republican governor made TV and radio commercials and lying out of both sides of his mouth not too long ago. The justice department stepped in and said what he did was not only unlawful, but unconstitutional. Many myths started by these slave owners that still live today, like the Negro is lazy and must be whipped to get any work out of the and that they essentially cowards. Another is that if the African slave were ever set free, they will kill all of the white men and rape all the white women. This created a vast amount of fear to this day for no reason. A complete African-American town was wiped out because of some white woman told here husband that a black boy raped and beat her, when he did not, it was made into a movie called Rosewood. Do research on the Rosewood massacre during Jan. 1-7, 1923, but I digress.

Slavery had taken place in just about every state in the union, but it mainly manifested itself in the south. I must state here that there were a great many people who tried and were successful to get Negroes out of slavery and into the northern states to freedom, and a great number of them were Republicans; PLEASE KEEP THIS IN MIND as we continue out travels down this road.

Does anyone remember or have even heard of a Mr. Dred Scott. His quest for freedom for himself and his wife in St. Louis Missouri sparked the Civil War. Over many years his case was brought to the U.S. Supreme Court and lost. He eventually get his freedom, but it was not by the highest court in the land. He died before he could fully enjoy his freedom.

[excerpt]
In March of 1857, the United States Supreme Court, led by Chief Justice Roger B. Taney, declared that all blacks -- slaves as well as free -- were not and could never become citizens of the United States. The court also declared the 1820 Missouri Compromise unconstitutional, thus permiting slavery in all of the country's territories.[/excerpt]

Judge Taney is has also been quoted when referring to the language of the Declaration of Independence that includes the phrase, "all men are created equal,"
[quote]"it is too clear for dispute, that the enslaved African race were not intended to be included, and formed no part of the people who framed and adopted this declaration. . . ."[/quote]

As time progressed, we have Colfax - 4/13,1873, Coushatta - August, 1874, Elain - 9/30/1919. I bet many of you ever heard of Greenwood Oklahoma. It was the most successful and wealthiest of the African-American communities during the early 20th century, and it all ended on May 31st & June 1, 1921. Rebuilt, but never the same.

Segregation was the law of the land until the mid 1960's. But the opposite got a two really big boosts. One was by an experiment forced on President Roosevelt by the black community and Mrs. Roosevelt, the Tuskegee Airmen were formed. Fully trained and ready to fight, but because no white commander would allow it, the sat, still training in Alabama until Mrs. Roosevelt paid a visit to Tuskegee field and was taken up for a ride by one of the airmen at her request. She went back to Washington and pressured her husband to send them overseas to fight. Although they were in segregated units, even on integrated bases the 302nd Fighter group had one of the best records in the war. NEVER LOST AN AIRCRAFT TO ENEMY FIRE. Came back to the states and it was the same old thing, Whites to the right - Negroes to the left. Lynching were quite command all over the land, but mostly in the south. Overall some Blacks were able to rise out of the mire of poverty and were successful, but it was not the case in the south. Blacks were kept at the bottom of the economic scale, keep this in mind also as it will come up later.

Fast forward to the mid-50s to mid 60s and you have the modern Civil Rights Era. School and church bombings, must sit in the back of the bus, can't eat at the counter, mass beating of protest marchers, etc. The Civil Rights and Voting Rights laws came into being, but it was done through non-violent means on the side of the cause. Oh, I almost forget - don't forget Opelousas, La. on 9/28, 1968.

As much as we have attempted to be assimilated into the economy and fabric of this country, the more difficult the other side is attempting to make it for us. I have stated in previous posts on this thread that the Republican party of old made great strides in attempting this, and you would be greatly surprised of the number of Black Republican there were in this country. But all of that changed in the mid-60s. Back then, it was the Southern Democrats that were the segregationists and the Republicans were the integrators. When the rest of the Democratic party raised hell, these people left the party and the Southern Republicans welcomed with open arms, thus eventually giving us the Republican/Tea Party that we have today.

During all of this time, what are the state of things economically to the black population. The criminalization of the black man was well under way and the birth to prison economics grew. The likelihood that blacks were arrested and jailed grew exponentially than that for whites for the same crimes. Do some research and find me where it is reversed. I believe that everyone will agree with me that without a good education, you will get nowhere. So, let's start with the schools. As the black population advanced and their economics grew, those that could afford it moved out of the slums to better neighborhoods and into better schools. Whites fled to the suburbs taking the most experienced teachers with them. Leaving the least experienced teachers to teach in the city schools and trying to give a quality education experience even though they have no prior experience themselves. And little chance for advancement out of the slums as there are no jobs.

Now that there are so many of us in the suburbs, whites are coming back to the cities through what is commonly known as gentrification, driving up rental costs and housing prices that the local folks can't afford, thus driving them out of their neighborhoods. Look at Harlem, N.Y. as an example.

Through all of this the country has elected its first African-American president, not once but twice. The night of his inauguration, top politicians of the Republican/Tea Party sat in a restaurant not far away to plan on how to stop him from succeeding and make him a one term president. It has nothing to do with his policies as most people think, it has to do with his race. John Boehner has stated that it makes him physically sick to stand next to him - research it. This man has bought the country back from the brink of disaster and the economy has picked up past the point of where it was where George W. Bush left us in. We can put an enormous amount of people back to work fixing the country's infrastructure, but the Republican party will not pass his jobs bills. We have a large portion of the country's states that are run by Republicans as we all well know. Starting with the 2008 election there was a drive to limit certain portions of the populace the ability to vote in what took fifty years to create. The U.S. Supreme Court struck down the most potent element of the Voting Rights Act and within literally within a couple of hours voter's rights were being denied. Can anyone guess where the majority of this is happening - any and every state that the Republican/Tea party controls. These efforts had more than doubled during the 2010 elections and are still continuing today. Thankfully some of these laws have been overturned and ruled unconstitutional. Not because they stopped anyone from voting, but the effect that the laws had on lower income citizens, people of color and senior citizens.

We have lost the greater majority of our great leaders, either through natural death or by assignation. Us old heads, who have been through the trials and tribulations, and hate of the Civil Right Era are attempting to keep the heat down and calm the savage beast in the heart of the young ones, but it is getting extremely hard to do so.

Present day, St. Louis has been classified as the 9th most segregated city in the country. Ferguson's populace is mostly black, but it is a tale of two cities which sits in a Republican controlled county. On hand you have the white citizenry who see nothing wrong or have no clue with what have been festering among the black community over several years. On the other hand you have a populace that high unemployment, has been beat down by the police, etc. The black community has very little or no say in the management of the town. Its elections are held off year and as everyone know democrats have a very low voter turnout in off years. My memory is a little rusty on this but you can check it out, the 2010 elections 6%, 2012 elections 86%. Michael's death broke the camel's back. Most whites have no idea what is happening in the black community in regards to their treatment by the police, and if they had their way they would like to shove it under the rug, and as they say in B'klyn - Forgit 'bout it.

We are the most forgiving and pleasant race in the world, if only you will only let us out from under your thumb, allow us to be ourselves, get a quality education, and let us prosper as you have. Racism folks is simply economics and greed. Take the money factor out of the equation and racism will disappear.


Sorry to seem like I'm rambling and again I apologize to anyone offended.

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It seems to me the American military has higher standards as to when they are allowed to shoot than American cops. Hmm, that doesn't make a lot of sense.

Really? Let's apply the standard used on Osama bin Laden. If he was unarmed it was within policy to shoot him, he was the enemy period the end. That seems to be the same standard a police officer can use on a jail escapee.

Actually I believe the teams were instructed to take OBL alive if possible. Even though there appeared to be a vast amount of data retrieved a lot more could have been possible if he was interrogated.

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I don't buy computers, I build them!!

Back to the original case.

CHP officer videotaped punching woman could face 'serious charges'

The future of the 'Officer' does seem apparent.

Why wasn't THIS 'Officer' accused of Racism, or 'Institutional Racism'? The Video showed it was a white cop.

Because people of Good Will understand Abuse of Authority, is just that. And has a myriad of individual reasons, which the evil Race Baiter's cannot understand.

Evil eh? Are you sure you know what that word means?
Evil is making assumptions about a man based on the colour of his skin then gunning him down on the street.

Evil is making a Racist Assumption regarding either person in this incident, because of his race.

Are you making an Evil Racist Assumption regarding the race of either one?

You should read Cliff's post. I think Cliff has pretty much got it covered.

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There was, but you just didn't notice.

Oh, I did. It wasn't the level of vitriol as the other case. In was barely a blip here in Los Angeles. Most of what I heard came from people outside the region.

There is a reason for that. The CHP is not the LAPD or the LASD. If you aren't local that won't mean anything. The CHP writes traffic tickets on the state highways. They don't do neighborhood prowl car hassle the usual suspects. The LAPD and the LASD do those things. The CHP is a professional orginization and it knows how to investigate its own and isn't afraid to hang a bad officer. The LAPD said the beating of Rodney King was in policy! Of course the LAPD has the LAPPL, Los Angeles Police Protection League, or as it operates the Los Angeles Perjury Protection League, that insists that no officer can ever do any wrong. As to the LASD, they have officers sitting in jail, awaiting trial, for staging gang fights in the jail so they could wager on the outcome. The LASD even went so far as to intimidate the FBI!

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What is Institutional Racism?

So...

ALL people's actions will be judged according to their RACE.

Where, in history, have we heard THAT before.

Probably many places, because, like it or not, it happens all over the world and people are judged by others according to a different set of preconceptions according to their race.

It's not just Black vs White. Not all Asian groups get along, Africa proves that not all Black races get along and in Europe, they are more civilised about it, but just ask a German their opinion of the French, or the Greeks their opinion of anyone and in the Middle East, nobody likes anybody.

It's not only race, it's appearance, accent and myriad of other factors. Just ask any biker who has stopped to help a broken down car, only to find the passengers cowering behind locked doors in a total panic.

T.A.

It seems to me the American military has higher standards as to when they are allowed to shoot than American cops. Hmm, that doesn't make a lot of sense.

Read the quotes from returned veterans on the behaviour of the Ferguson Police, none of them are slightest bit impressed.

When in Iraq or Afghanistan the troops operated under very strict rules of engagement which covered things like when and who you could point a gun at, handling unruly crowds etc. The Ferguson police broke every one of them and they were on home soil, not a genuine "war zone".

It's a shame this thread is bogging down on the same old "race issues".

While not denying that race was possibly an issue with the shooting of Michael Brown, much more needs to be said about the actions of the police as a whole. Why did they turn up with an armoured car and automatic weapons in the first place ? There was distinct lack of thought, planning and training, from the Police Commissioner down to the lowest trooper.

Militarisation of the police, giving untrained people all these lovely, shiny, deadly toys to play with and not expecting them to wheel them out at the slightest opportunity is unrealistic. Plus the training of police recruits where they are taught to shoot to kill first and ask questions later needs subjecting to very heavy scrutiny.

T.A.

There are reports around that the officer who shot Brown has a fractured eye socket and some are claiming this gave him justification for the shooting.

There is an easy way to tell. If you hit someone hard enough to break the skull, you will suffer injury yourself. It would be interesting to know if either autopsy found bruising on Brown's knuckles or skull (in case the officer was head butted).

T.A.

While not denying that race was possibly an issue with the shooting of Michael Brown, much more needs to be said about the actions of the police as a whole. Why did they turn up with an armoured car and automatic weapons in the first place ? There was distinct lack of thought, planning and training, from the Police Commissioner down to the lowest trooper.

They copied the LAPD manual. In LA, there is a horrific gang problem. Exactly as bad as those stories you hear out of Mexico and points south where dozens of bodies are found. The exception is in LA they don't round them all up and slaughter them together, in LA they go around to where they are and kill them one at a time.

The LAPD was trying to face down crooks with AK-47's with hundred round magazines with six shooters. They demanded parity from the city leaders. Their union LAPPL is very powerful. They pointed out how much money the city was paying to injured officers. Well, guess what? LAPD got military weapons.

At the same time their tactics changed. They went from policing to being the biggest baddest gang occupying the city. They adopted the vile tactics of their enemy and became them. Use of massive overwhelming force.

Worse the LAPPL has lobbied that even a scratch on an officer is worth millions in damages against their employer. Terror that the suspect might have HIV. Have to protect the officer at all costs, and that cost includes the loss of liberty for law abiding citizens.

I could rail for hours, but the idiot who authorized and endorsed this policy, the chief(s), are gone now, but the damn manual still exists. That manual needs to be seen as a liability to the government, the officials that allow its continued use prosecuted, and every copy used as TP.

Militarisation of the police, giving untrained people all these lovely, shiny, deadly toys to play with and not expecting them to wheel them out at the slightest opportunity is unrealistic. Plus the training of police recruits where they are taught to shoot to kill first and ask questions later needs subjecting to very heavy scrutiny.

Think I already covered that ...

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Plus the training of police recruits where they are taught to shoot to kill first and ask questions later needs subjecting to very heavy scrutiny.

T.A.

Could you please show us that attribution.

I'd like to, but the information was found while on a "link chase" and I did not bookmark the sites. But the gist was that "officer safety is paramount and any time the officer 'feels threatened'* they are entitled to use Deadly Force". They are also taught to aim for the trunk of the body because that is the biggest target and to fire multiple rounds. Of course multiple wounds to the body are usually fatal.

<edit>* of course the term "feels threatened" covers a multitude of sins.

T.A.