Cliff's post sure shows the "CSI" mentality. All cases are resolved in 60 minutes.

"CSI" mentality has nothing to do with it. It's a case of double standards when it comes to shooting African-Americans in this country. If a black man shoots another or a white person, with or without eyewitness, they are immediately arrested, fingerprinted, etc. This is not the case of a white shooting a black, they are usually interviewed by the police and after a long drawn investigation may or may not stand against charges.

To know a thing, you must first understand a thing. In order to fully understand the frustration and anger that has evolved within the black community in Ferguson you must first place yourself in a black person's shoes. We, the black community, knows what happens when a black man shoots anyone else, and all we are asking for is that the cop to be charged by now - something that a white community would have demanded if the cop was black and the unarmed victim was white. Watching live coverage, the DA has the authority to charge the officer, Darren Wilson, based on existing evidence from the preliminary autopsies, both local and independent, without a grand jury, but has chosen to hold a one anyway - which to my understanding hasn't happened yet, further drawing out things and making the local black community even more angry and frustrated. When the independent autopsy came out Michael's mother asked - What else is needed to charge the killer of my son?

BTW, the fatal shot on the apex of Michael's head went through his brain, came out his right eye, through his jaw, then entered his shoulder before exiting again. Michael was over 6 ft. in height and the only way for this to happen was for him to be leaning/falling forward unless the cop is over 7 ft. tall. There was no stippling on his head or face which indicates that the weapon was greater then 15-18 inches away. The exact distance can not be determined until the full autopsy is completed. The local M.E. came out this morning to only state the Michael was shot multiple times, and he/she only did it after the independent one came out. No telling when the information would have come out otherwise. This is something that was well known since day one.

The incompetence of the police department is a master's level course of how not to do things, especially its chief. He has had to walk back or correct so many of his statements that a third grader would have gotten correct on the first try. As I write this, the national guard has arrived in Ferguson.

The autopsy of Eric Garner in Staten Island, N.Y. was ruled a homicide, and that police officer has yet to be charged.

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Cliff's post sure shows the "CSI" mentality. All cases are resolved in 60 minutes.

"CSI" mentality has nothing to do with it.

It has everything to do with it unfortunately.

Jaywalking does not get an officer to pull his gun. Something else happened.

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Cliff's post sure shows the "CSI" mentality. All cases are resolved in 60 minutes.

"CSI" mentality has nothing to do with it.

It has everything to do with it unfortunately.

Jaywalking does not get an officer to pull his gun. Something else happened.

Yes, something did happen. According to the first eye witness and probably the most important, who by the way was walking with Michael at the time of the incident, has stated the Officer Wilson drove up to them and told them to "Get on the f***cking sidewalk" and kept on driving. As he was pulling away, they told him that they were only a short distance from their destination. Wilson backs up so close to them that they had to take a step back and asked 'What did you say to me?". Wilson then attempts to so forcefully open his driver's side door that it bounced back at him. He then reaches through his window and grabs Michael by the throat, with his friend less than 2 feet away, and while Michael is attempting to pull away from him, he pulls his service pistol and states 'I will shoot you', firing at least one shot. Michael pulls free and both young men run away. Wilson then get out of his vehicle and starts shooting. Witness have stated that Michael jerked as if shot in the back, but from the independent autopsy it was most likely a graze on the his right arm. He stops, turns around and raises his arms yelling ' I'm unarmed don't shoot'. He is at this point at least 30 feet from Wilson's vehicle, and Wilson proceeds to continue shooting, hitting him at least 5-6 times. As I said in my original post, the circumstances of the shooting and Michael's death was witnessed by at least 3 people, who did not know each other, with almost exactly the same timeline and description.

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Cliff Harding said:

The black citizens of Ferguson have not trust and confidence of the local city administration from the mayor down to the copy and especially the DA

The White Citizens of Ferguson have no trust and confidence of the local city Black Citizens and 'specially of Outsider Black Citizens.

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If you research the demographics you will find that the Black Citizens have had a majority in that town for something like 15 years.

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Now if Ferguson is 2/3rds African American why, in all the coverage of this, havn't I seen 1 African American in a Ferguson police uniform yet?

Do they have any African American officers in Ferguson?

In fact, do they have any "non-white" officers in Ferguson?

The 1st African American police officer that I did see in this incident belonged to the state police when they finally stepped in.

SOP over there looks to move at 2 very different speeds depending on what side of the fence you're from.

Cheers.

With 2/3's of the vote being Black for over 10 years how can there be such disparity unless it is the will of the voters.

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Now if Ferguson is 2/3rds African American why, in all the coverage of this, havn't I seen 1 African American in a Ferguson police uniform yet?

Do they have any African American officers in Ferguson?

In fact, do they have any "non-white" officers in Ferguson?

The 1st African American police officer that I did see in this incident belonged to the state police when they finally stepped in.

SOP over there looks to move at 2 very different speeds depending on what side of the fence you're from.

Cheers.

From what I've seen & heard being reported there are 5 non-white officers on the force, with 3 of them being African-Americans. At the moment I can't remember the racial identity of the other two.

With 2/3's of the vote being Black for over 10 years how can there be such disparity unless it is the will of the voters.

Maybe this from Bloomberg Business Week can explain this better than I can. http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-08-15/how-st-dot-louis-countys-map-explains-fergusons-racial-discord

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Now if Ferguson is 2/3rds African American why, in all the coverage of this, havn't I seen 1 African American in a Ferguson police uniform yet?

Do they have any African American officers in Ferguson?

In fact, do they have any "non-white" officers in Ferguson?

The 1st African American police officer that I did see in this incident belonged to the state police when they finally stepped in.

SOP over there looks to move at 2 very different speeds depending on what side of the fence you're from.

Cheers.

From what I've seen & heard being reported there are 5 non-white officers on the force, with 3 of them being African-Americans. At the moment I can't remember the racial identity of the other two.

With 2/3's of the vote being Black for over 10 years how can there be such disparity unless it is the will of the voters.

Maybe this from Bloomberg Business Week can explain this better than I can. http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-08-15/how-st-dot-louis-countys-map-explains-fergusons-racial-discord

Not a very good picture at all there. :-(

Cheers.

So far the continuing protest is peaceful as the majority of the marchers have been. I said the majority of the marchers because that element of protestors, and I use the term loosely, that have been confronting the police have appeared after dark. The governor lifted the curfew this morning, but not long after 10-10:30 the local police said that the protest can continue, but it must keep moving and can not become static at any point. That means that as long as the people keep moving and don't stop at any point the police will not intervene. I've already seen the police aggressively attempt to make this happen. The real test will come after sundown. Remember, back before African-Americans began to move into this locality it was a 'Sun Down' town. If anyone doesn't understand what that means - Blacks can come work, shop, etc. here, BUT you must be out of the city limits by sun down. After sun down - NO BLACKS ALLOWED, even if you were to be a white resident's guest.

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So far the continuing protest is peaceful as the majority of the marchers have been. I said the majority of the marchers because that element of protestors, and I use the term loosely, that have been confronting the police have appeared after dark. The governor lifted the curfew this morning, but not long after 10-10:30 the local police said that the protest can continue, but it must keep moving and can not become static at any point. That means that as long as the people keep moving and don't stop at any point the police will not intervene. I've already seen the police aggressively attempt to make this happen. The real test will come after sundown. Remember, back before African-Americans began to move into this locality it was a 'Sun Down' town. If anyone doesn't understand what that means - Blacks can come work, shop, etc. here, BUT you must be out of the city limits by sun down. After sun down - NO BLACKS ALLOWED, even if you were to be a white resident's guest.

Are you serious?

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So far the continuing protest is peaceful as the majority of the marchers have been. I said the majority of the marchers because that element of protestors, and I use the term loosely, that have been confronting the police have appeared after dark. The governor lifted the curfew this morning, but not long after 10-10:30 the local police said that the protest can continue, but it must keep moving and can not become static at any point. That means that as long as the people keep moving and don't stop at any point the police will not intervene. I've already seen the police aggressively attempt to make this happen. The real test will come after sundown. Remember, back before African-Americans began to move into this locality it was a 'Sun Down' town. If anyone doesn't understand what that means - Blacks can come work, shop, etc. here, BUT you must be out of the city limits by sun down. After sun down - NO BLACKS ALLOWED, even if you were to be a white resident's guest.

Are you serious?

As a heart attack! During my military service I personally ran across this in Louisiana, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Florida, Texas, Illinois 7 even in upper New York state, where btw I grew up.

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Maybe this from Bloomberg Business Week can explain this better than I can. http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-08-15/how-st-dot-louis-countys-map-explains-fergusons-racial-discord

Cliff, good read thanx.

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So far the continuing protest is peaceful as the majority of the marchers have been. I said the majority of the marchers because that element of protestors, and I use the term loosely, that have been confronting the police have appeared after dark. The governor lifted the curfew this morning, but not long after 10-10:30 the local police said that the protest can continue, but it must keep moving and can not become static at any point. That means that as long as the people keep moving and don't stop at any point the police will not intervene. I've already seen the police aggressively attempt to make this happen. The real test will come after sundown. Remember, back before African-Americans began to move into this locality it was a 'Sun Down' town. If anyone doesn't understand what that means - Blacks can come work, shop, etc. here, BUT you must be out of the city limits by sun down. After sun down - NO BLACKS ALLOWED, even if you were to be a white resident's guest.

Cliff you have good reason to be pissed off as we all do.

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never pretty ...
http://blogging.la/2010/04/27/while-everyone-else-is-busy-remember-daryl-gates-life-ill-remember-eula-loves-death/
never
http://www.rcdsa.org/trainingbulletins2/2003/June2003.pdf

got a dumb question .....
so you arrest him, what does that accomplish?
while he is out, he has to answer questions
bust him "you have the right to ..."
Which one will get you to the truth faster?


got another ....
how could a cop with that big an attitude problem be on the force for several years and not have a bunch of internal affairs beefs in his jacket?


something doesn't add up yet

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never pretty ...
http://blogging.la/2010/04/27/while-everyone-else-is-busy-remember-daryl-gates-life-ill-remember-eula-loves-death/
never
http://www.rcdsa.org/trainingbulletins2/2003/June2003.pdf

got a dumb question .....
so you arrest him, what does that accomplish?
while he is out, he has to answer questions
bust him "you have the right to ..."
Which one will get you to the truth faster?


got another ....
how could a cop with that big an attitude problem be on the force for several years and not have a bunch of internal affairs beefs in his jacket?

Perhaps he is working amongst like minded people?

something doesn't add up yet

What is it that you don't see?

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So far the continuing protest is peaceful as the majority of the marchers have been. I said the majority of the marchers because that element of protestors, and I use the term loosely, that have been confronting the police have appeared after dark. The governor lifted the curfew this morning, but not long after 10-10:30 the local police said that the protest can continue, but it must keep moving and can not become static at any point. That means that as long as the people keep moving and don't stop at any point the police will not intervene. I've already seen the police aggressively attempt to make this happen. The real test will come after sundown. Remember, back before African-Americans began to move into this locality it was a 'Sun Down' town. If anyone doesn't understand what that means - Blacks can come work, shop, etc. here, BUT you must be out of the city limits by sun down. After sun down - NO BLACKS ALLOWED, even if you were to be a white resident's guest.

Cliff you have good reason to be pissed off as we all do.

Be that as it may, please remember that the local community is not demanding that Officer Wilson be crucified, tarred and feathered. What they are demanding is that Officer Wilson, who btw is still being paid, be arrested and charged, based on the immediate probable cause evidence of two preliminary autopsies and held. The least of which would probably 2nd degree murder. He will most likely make bail as a KKK chapter has already started a defense fund for him.

I will at this time auto-correct myself, in that I've called the prosecutor the DA, which is incorrect. He is the County prosecutor and he is the one that is conducting the criminal investigation. He does not have the authority to do an arrest, but the Ferguson police department does have that authority and can make that determination.

AS far as the protests are concerned it is still peaceful, but the press access has become very limited. They are being penned in a area that is about 200 yards from the demonstrators even though a few have been allowed to mingle with them as long as they keep moving and not become static. There has been at least one journalist/photographer that has been arrested because he was not in the specified area. The Guard is only there to ensure security on the law enforcement command compound.

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There has been at least one journalist/photographer that has been arrested because he was not in the specified area. The Guard is only there to ensure security on the law enforcement commanund.

Ugly, we know how to do better but we choose?

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never pretty ...
http://blogging.la/2010/04/27/while-everyone-else-is-busy-remember-daryl-gates-life-ill-remember-eula-loves-death/
never
http://www.rcdsa.org/trainingbulletins2/2003/June2003.pdf

got a dumb question .....
so you arrest him, what does that accomplish?
while he is out, he has to answer questions
bust him "you have the right to ..."
Which one will get you to the truth faster?


got another ....
how could a cop with that big an attitude problem be on the force for several years and not have a bunch of internal affairs beefs in his jacket?


something doesn't add up yet

Still don't understand do you. The community is only asking what the white community would demand if the shooter was black and the victim was white. Just the fact that Officer Wilson is arrested and charged with killing of an unarmed black teen would have been enough to bring down a lot of the growing animosity and anger. In most everywhere else in the country, when you have a major shooting involving the death of a person the shooting incident report and the preliminary findings of the autopsy are revealed to the public by the authorities. This is done to give the family and loved ones some sort of comfort in the death and it has not been done in the case here.

The only information that had come from local authorities, prior to the release of the independent autopsy, was a package produced by the police chief that included still shots and a security camera video of someone who may or may not have been Michael Brown during a strong arm robbery/shop lifting. Another part of that package was a 18 page incident report for the incident. The police chief had the time to make multiple copies of that incident report including the stills and video, but doesn't provide the shooting incident report. At a later news conference when asked whether Officer Wilson was aware of the incident, the chief said no he wasn't and that he wasn't responding to the incident at the time of the encounter with Michael and his friend. At an even later new conference he had to recant the statement and came up with something entirely different. Hours after the independent autopsy came out the M.E. only said that Michael was struck with multiple gun shots. The people want transparency in this investigation and there has not be any. In a further attempt to disparage the identify of Michael Brown, the authorities also release later that he had marijuana in his system, which like the video has absolutely no connection with the shooting of Mr. Brown and the leaving of he body, uncovered I might add, in the middle of the street for a period of several hours. There are some estimates that it was up to nine hours before his body was removed, not by an ambulance but stuffed into a police SUV. There was a nurse that was threatened with arrest if he went and tried to give assistance to Michael. Hell, the family still hasn't been able to view the body yet.


As far as complaints or internal affairs reports go, from what I have been able to learn through reports, any such complaints/reports are not inserted into an officer's jacket. They are inserted in the case file, therefore as far as the police are concern his/her jacket is clean.

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Chaos is about to erupt. The crowd has been moving peacefully all day. Within the last few minutes ago, within the last 10 minutes, the crowd started to slow down and seem to stop. The police have started forming and the up-armored vehicles have been brought on line. The police have started to attempt to disperse the crowd. The leaders of the protesters are trying to create a line between the police and the crowd and are attempting to get the crowd to settle down. Police are using a sonic device to disperse the crowd.

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