Canadians fight to keep water on for 79,000 in Detroit

Canada steps in to help our 3rd world neighbours who are living in a capitalistic nightmare.

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Canadians fight to keep water on for 79,000 in Detroit

Canada steps in to help our 3rd world neighbours who are living in a capitalistic nightmare.

Why doesn't your Queen annex Detroit and show US how to bring light to the darkness? Funny I don't see those people swimming over to Windsor where I'm sure they will be welcome with open arms. US will send the Central American flood of illegals to Detroit if you take the current inhabitants. Deal?

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Canadians fight to keep water on for 79,000 in Detroit

Canada steps in to help our 3rd world neighbours who are living in a capitalistic nightmare.

Why doesn't your Queen annex Detroit and show US how to bring light to the darkness? Funny I don't see those people swimming over to Windsor where I'm sure they will be welcome with open arms. US will send the Central American flood of illegals to Detroit if you take the current inhabitants. Deal?

LMAO! Do you know just how many illegal American immigrants we get here??? LMAO? We keep throwing them out, but the get back in. They keep coming for our free healthcare and better standard of living.

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LMAO! Do you know just how many illegal American immigrants we get here???

Then why do you let US in without a passport? I can't get back into the US without one. When I'm up there I wonder what would happen if I got hit by a hockey puck, my health insurance is only good in the US of A.

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Why doesn't your Queen annex Detroit and show US how to bring light to the darkness? Funny I don't see those people swimming over to Windsor where I'm sure they will be welcome with open arms.

Because they don't have to swim, you silly troll. Americans are quick to point out how porous the US-Canada border is - that works both ways. Canada has been built on waves of immigrants escaping terrible living conditions at home. The US is just the next in line. Started during the Viet Nam War, and really picked up in 2008.

Of course, not all Americans are coming. Just your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Re annexing of Detroit - we covered that previously. Your debt situation makes that highly unlikely.

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Started during the Viet Nam War,

Didn't some of them flee the warmongering Americans much earlier like 1775/6, so that brother was fighting brother when they invaded your country in 1812, for no good reason, other than paranoia.

Started during the Viet Nam War,

Didn't some of them flee the warmongering Americans much earlier like 1775/6, so that brother was fighting brother when they invaded your country in 1812, for no good reason, other than paranoia.

A lot of British subjects did leave for Canada during the revolution. We did repel that 1812 invasion. Just like the Candadians spanked our arses when we tried to invade a few times.

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Old James

Re annexing of Detroit - we covered that previously. Your debt situation makes that highly unlikely.

Well you could do it in such a way that Detroit essentially starts with a clean slate after the transfer is complete. And Detroit does have a lot of potential.

Why doesn't your Queen annex Detroit and show US how to bring light to the darkness? Funny I don't see those people swimming over to Windsor where I'm sure they will be welcome with open arms.

Because they don't have to swim, you silly troll.

If they take the Ambassador Bridge they would have to go through customs.
Why are you visiting Canada?
I'm not visiting, I'm coming for the free water.
Well you better turn that Escalade with the spinning hubcaps around and go back to where you came from.

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Why doesn't your Queen annex Detroit and show US how to bring light to the darkness? Funny I don't see those people swimming over to Windsor where I'm sure they will be welcome with open arms.

Because they don't have to swim, you silly troll.

If they take the Ambassador Bridge they would have to go through customs.
Why are you visiting Canada?
I'm not visiting, I'm coming for the free water.
Well you better turn that Escalade with the spinning hubcaps around and go back to where you came from.

If it were that easy, why are you guys having such trouble with your other border?

American's are allowed to visit, it just seems a lot of them refuse to go home afterwards.

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Canadians fight to keep water on for 79,000 in Detroit

Canada steps in to help our 3rd world neighbours who are living in a capitalistic nightmare.

My gosh, someone on the left has finally described a labor union for what it is, "a capitalistic nightmare." The UAW should be the ones bringing the free water. They are the ones who sucked and siphoned so much away that the jobs up and left for China!

All those people who don't want to pay their bill can still get all the water they want. They just have to go to the shore and fill up their buckets. Still free. But if they want it delivered they have to pay the delivery man his due!

BTW if Canada wants to send free water to the USA, California is in desperate need. Our lakes are on empty.

What I see here is yet another left basic failure to understand how life works. They want water free. So just print worthless money to pay for it. Called inflation or making your grandchildren pay for your life. How would you propose the City of Detroit get the money to run the pumps? Property tax? Okay, then what happens when they start the tax sales of the houses and kick the people on the street?

The failure is the realization that each person unit must be able to provide for themselves. If they can't then they are not fit. The unfit do not survive.

I get that we have a government that sucks a bit away from the extra-fit and gives it so the slightly-unfit to help them out. Everyone should realize that suck is of a limited capacity. It can't provide for everyone or everything. The basic problem in Detroit is the UAW put in their suck siphon in front of the government one and now the government one is sucking air.

The water hole is drying up, sucked away by UAW. Some of the herd saw this early and left to find a better water hole. Some of the herd will be there when the water hole is just dust, unable to move. The lions know this and will move in and have free food. Detroit is Darwin in action on people.

This is what the future of Detroit looks like.

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My gosh, someone on the left has finally described a labor union for what it is, "a capitalistic nightmare." The UAW should be the ones bringing the free water. They are the ones who sucked and siphoned so much away that the jobs up and left for China!

Oh yes, boo labor unions for wanting workers getting paid a decent wage. Boo, they scared all the labor away, because if there weren't any unions Americans would still have a wage of less than a dollar a day and capable of competing with China.

What I see here is yet another left basic failure to understand how life works. They want water free. So just print worthless money to pay for it. Called inflation or making your grandchildren pay for your life. How would you propose the City of Detroit get the money to run the pumps? Property tax? Okay, then what happens when they start the tax sales of the houses and kick the people on the street?

The thing is that water is considered pretty much a human right and it is most certainly a human necessity. See how long you can survive without water. And see how long it takes before some infectious disease breaks out because the lack of running water prevents people from proper sanitation.

The failure is the realization that each person unit must be able to provide for themselves. If they can't then they are not fit. The unfit do not survive.

Ah yes, social darwinism, the supreme egotistical philosophy so loved by the right. Keep up or die. See the thing is, the left believes that society is civilized because it takes care of its weaker members. It believes that it is in our nature to help out the weak and give them a chance to survive as well. Cooperation rather than competing individually. Sadly, decades of out of control and internalized capitalism has turned the right into egotistical, selfish and immoral beings who only care about themselves and those that can fend for themselves. Its not a solid basis to build society on though.

Keep up or die.

Does the pack of gazelles slow down to the pace of the weakest member?
If they did the lions would have easy pickings at the edges taking the strongest members with ease.

See the thing is, the left believes that society is civilized because it takes care of its weaker members. It believes that it is in our nature to help out the weak and give them a chance to survive as well. Cooperation rather than competing individually.

So the pack of gazelles does slow down to the pace of the weakest member and stays slow no matter what happens.

Sadly, decades of out of control and internalized capitalism has turned the right into egotistical, selfish and immoral beings who only care about themselves and those that can fend for themselves. Its not a solid basis to build society on though.

The problem is the left believes that 100% of the weak can be brought along no matter what. The reality is only some of them can be brought along.

Governments (packs) can only exist as long as they have funds (agreement) to exist.

Article says Detroit already has double the rate of nearby places. Apparently that wasn't enough to keep the pumps on, they declared bankruptcy. So how high do you need that water rate to go? 100 times? 1000 times? The more you raise it the less people can pay it. Self defeating strategy. But 100% of the weak must be brought along. Nice fable.

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American's are allowed to visit, it just seems a lot of them refuse to go home afterwards.

By "American" I assume you me US. Those people call US "gringos" because they think they are "Americans" too. No American, except cowards, would leave here for there. In fact the opposite is true. That Justin Bieber guy is a prime example.

My gosh, someone on the left has finally described a labor union for what it is, "a capitalistic nightmare." The UAW should be the ones bringing the free water. They are the ones who sucked and siphoned so much away that the jobs up and left for China!

When America was great union membership peeked at 28%. After brain dead Reagan, who was an actor playing president, membership is now 11% and falling. You people will have to find another straw dog to beat for your failed brain dead stupidity.

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Keep up or die.

Does the pack of gazelles slow down to the pace of the weakest member?
If they did the lions would have easy pickings at the edges taking the strongest members with ease.

See the thing is, the left believes that society is civilized because it takes care of its weaker members. It believes that it is in our nature to help out the weak and give them a chance to survive as well. Cooperation rather than competing individually.

So the pack of gazelles does slow down to the pace of the weakest member and stays slow no matter what happens.

We aren't gazelles and we don't have lions hunting us. We aren't any kind of grazing animal and we don't have any kind of predator hunting us down for food. If we slow down to ensure everyone gets by, its not going to be catastrophic, we aren't going to get eaten. If anything it makes us stronger because we would invest in society, in the group, in social cohesion, rather than have this 'everyone for themselves' mentality.

Or to use your gazelle-lion analogy, if the gazelles were to work together rather than run away and let the lions catch the weakest, they could attack the lion in force and kill the lion. Some gazelles might die during such an attack, but in the long run the Gazelles would be better off with no more lions to hunt them down.

The problem is the left believes that 100% of the weak can be brought along no matter what. The reality is only some of them can be brought along.

Oh nonsense, America has never even tried to get everyone along no matter what. Though when America was at its strongest, it was so when it invested in its people, in its society. Not when it was screwing over all the weaker members of society.

Keep up or die.

Does the pack of gazelles slow down to the pace of the weakest member?
If they did the lions would have easy pickings at the edges taking the strongest members with ease.

See the thing is, the left believes that society is civilized because it takes care of its weaker members. It believes that it is in our nature to help out the weak and give them a chance to survive as well. Cooperation rather than competing individually.

So the pack of gazelles does slow down to the pace of the weakest member and stays slow no matter what happens.

We aren't gazelles and we don't have lions hunting us. We aren't any kind of grazing animal and we don't have any kind of predator hunting us down for food.

Damn city folk ... http://news.sciencemag.org/environment/2011/07/man-eating-lions-attack-dark-moon wrote:

Between 1988 and 2009, lions ambushed more than 1000 people, killing and devouring two-thirds of them.

... have no idea of the truth of anything.

On the lighter side http://www.bsa344.com/Grizzly%20Bear%20Warning%20from%20the%20Department%20of%20Fish.pdf

If we slow down to ensure everyone gets by, its not going to be catastrophic, we aren't going to get eaten. If anything it makes us stronger because we would invest in society, in the group, in social cohesion, rather than have this 'everyone for themselves' mentality.

So we accept a 0.01% per annum increase in the GDP.

Or to use your gazelle-lion analogy, if the gazelles were to work together rather than run away and let the lions catch the weakest, they could attack the lion in force and kill the lion. Some gazelles might die during such an attack, but in the long run the Gazelles would be better off with no more lions to hunt them down.

I get it, fund NASA.

The problem is the left believes that 100% of the weak can be brought along no matter what. The reality is only some of them can be brought along.

Oh nonsense, America has never even tried to get everyone along no matter what. Though when America was at its strongest, it was so when it invested in its people, in its society. Not when it was screwing over all the weaker members of society.

So your objection is how this selection is being made, not that a selection has to be made.

Unfortunately government bankruptcy is like that. The residents are the debtor so life gets real tough for them or they pay the bill.

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Went back and re-read http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/canadians-fight-to-keep-water-on-for-79-000-in-detroit-1.2695043?cmp=fbtl

Nicole Hill is behind on her water bill. Her toilets are empty and her taps don't run.

"I turn it on, nothing comes out. You don't hear anything but the squeaking of the faucets," Hill said.

She owes nearly $6,000. To have her taps turned back on, she will have to pay $4,449.

$6,000.00 seems kind of high to me. So I asked google what the average water bill is in Detroit.
Led me to this http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/04/opinion/going-without-water-in-detroit.html?_r=0

Ms. Cupp said that the average bill for the residents Wayne Metro has helped was $1,600; she saw one as high as $10,000. The water department’s standard payment plan requires at least a 30 percent down payment.

Last time I checked 6000 * .3 = 1800, not 4449.

So we have a number of $10,000.00 bill.

The average monthly water bill in Detroit is $75 for a family of four — nearly twice the United States average

Okay it is expensive, but not double what we parched Californians pay.

So we take this $10,000.00 bill and divide by $75.00 and come up with 11+ years the water bill hasn't been paid.

Okay, second case Nicole Hill's $6,000.00 bill divide by $75.00 a month is 80 months or 6 and 2/3 years it hasn't been paid.

Did these people move in and never pay the bill?

The department reports that 60 percent of its customers pay in full or begin a payment plan within 24 hours of a shut-off, and water service is reinstated. Mr. Latimer said that this proved that many could afford their bills, and simply weren’t paying them.

Interesting, very interesting.

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The problem is the left believes that 100% of the weak can be brought along no matter what. The reality is only some of them can be brought along.

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Ahhh, so one right winger calls me elitist and now you say that we are the opposite.

So lets talk about who we bring along.

For example, I've been tested as being somewhere in the top 20% for intelligence. That means that at least 80% of people are stupider than me. 80% of people take longer to understand things that I do quickly, 80% of people struggle to make the connections that I do, if they do at all. 80% of you will struggle more to understand complex systems and cause and effect.

That's the world I live in. So in your world, who is that that we leave behind? Who is that you judge as weak? Inferior? Who is it that YOU decide we leave by the way side as not being good enough human beings?

Some of the comments in this thread have disgusted me. It took Batter Up a little longer to get into his judgemental borderline racist and sizist rant, but he made it (I knew he would, bless his little heart). Being some where in that 20% of smart people it's painfully obvious just how stupid his comments are. Sometimes, being the intellectual gazelle that I am, I try to explain it to people why they really just aren't getting it.

So next time you all think that some people should be left behind because they don't quite cut it, take a moment to really, really think if you make the cut.

I'm smart enough to know that I shouldn't judge the obstacles that people have to overcome until I've walked a mile in their shoes.

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The problem is the left believes that 100% of the weak can be brought along no matter what. The reality is only some of them can be brought along.

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Ahhh, so one right winger calls me elitist and now you say that we are the opposite.

So lets talk about who we bring along.

Yes.

For example, I've been tested as being somewhere in the top 20% for intelligence. That means that at least 80% of people are stupider than me. 80% of people take longer to understand things that I do quickly, 80% of people struggle to make the connections that I do, if they do at all. 80% of you will struggle more to understand complex systems and cause and effect.

That's the world I live in. So in your world, who is that that we leave behind? Who is that you judge as weak? Inferior? Who is it that YOU decide we leave by the way side as not being good enough human beings?

Sometimes, being the intellectual gazelle that I am, I try to explain it to people why they really just aren't getting it.

So next time you all think that some people should be left behind because they don't quite cut it, take a moment to really, really think if you make the cut.

I'm smart enough to know that I shouldn't judge the obstacles that people have to overcome until I've walked a mile in their shoes.

Any test must be arbitrary and capricious. That should be obvious to someone with your intelligence, because it is to mine. It should also be obvious to someone with your intelligence that we can't spend a year and a mile waiting for test results.

Is being able to feed, clothe and house yourself arbitrary and capricious enough for you? Because it is the test presently in place. Nature has imposed this one. Hit high speed on you gazelle brain and let it get to the end of the thought process. Does that include being able to fill out welfare forms? Does that include being able to hit up the local church for a donation? Does that include using the rescue mission? Does that include the local food bank? Does that include being cute enough that someone just gives you stuff? Does that include knowing to move on to a spot with better pickings? Are you reaching understanding?

Now put that gazelle brain back on high speed. Does this planet offer unlimited resources? Does it have an unlimited ability to absorb the pollution man emits? Can man breed unchecked for eternity? Can we extend lifespans unchecked?

Has your gazelle brain understood yet?

I realize it may be very hard to divorce yourself from the emotions you feel of caring for fellow humans. If you are able you will have to come to the conclusion that some must be left behind.

You are the one who wants to talk tests. So now is your opportunity to describe how you would do it.

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