What is it? It really looks like there's signals ducking behind a planet somewhere, and a full blown communications network out there. I don't even understand why it cannot detect these corn rows. I actually collected a total of 8 sets of coordinates that gave me just this kind of signal grouping.

James.

Welcome James to the SETI Forums!

I'm not seeing any pic's or signals??

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Yea, I couldn't cross it over from facebook, so I had upload the images to my web site to get them show on this web site. I was still trying to edit that.

Some of them went through machine without me being able to get a screen shot. It took me awhile to figure out BOINC, and make it give me what I wanted. I found the options to view graphics of given job, and went through a took some screen shots. They don't really show some of the stuff that's going on. I've watch signals disappear and I mean like a satellite ducking behind a planet, and I've seen signals pop the same way, on just one narrow band. So, I've see few odd ones, that don't just seem like a fast spinning object.

I got all the way to the point of thinking that this math that they are doing, is maybe minus a capacitor and a coil to pick off a signal, or maybe it's missing that the whole Universe is in motion, and the doppler effect is wreaking havoc on the desired results, or even and odd harmonics, constructive and destructive wave interference is the issue, or maybe, if we recorded the Earth from space, SETI@home, wouldn't find that signal it was looking for. But, honestly, after seeing that, I realize, they need to point more telescopes, at coordinates, X-ray Chandra, Infrared, preferable in space but, Keck could do it, and even turn Hubble onto those coordinates and figure out what's going on. It can't all be black hole systems and super fast spinning stars, it wouldn't just drop one wavelength, a spinning plasma tends to resonate to some tune of it's own. It doesn't hide one wavelength, or just produce a new one randomly. It can't happen eight times.

I see spike's now, James.

This link might help you How SETI Works

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We just need to point more telescopes out there and figure what these things are that keep showing on my computer. Tomorrow, I'll post all 8 coordinates. It just doesn't make sense, that I would be seeing satellites, and if they are crossing the path of telescope, during the viewing of that area of space, it sure doesn't explain the bulk of frequencies.

I could be a sensitivity test, and they're listening to Earth's reflection off of the Moon, Mars, and testing the array. But, the software isn't detecting intelligent life. It tells me what the software is suppose to do but, it doesn't tell me that it isn't just designed around Nikola Tesla, and there being only one radio transmitter on some alien world. What happens when there's a literal communications network, like we have on Earth? I don't think it will be so easy to pin down a signal. Then we'd be looking at a mixed signal. Now, think about 99.9 FM, and the last time an astronaut took a radio tuner into space, those are line of sight transmitters, none of them are in phase but, every major city, Seattle, Los Angeles, Orlando FL, New York City, all use 99.9 FM, in space, this is a mess.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99.9_FM

How are you going to find a sine wave, in the chaos of line of sight transmitters? Just a fraction off the center frequency and you'd have constructive and destructive wave interference all the way through. It would be a big mess, and even if we do discover alien life, we won't be able to figure out the language. Think about this, Elephants have a language, Whales and dolphins have their languages, and we don't know what they're saying, and cannot translate.

I do believe that PBS, is very important. Imagine being an alien, and you're ship has broken down, and it's going to take you a few years but, you're slowly headed to planet Earth. With a simple encryption, like raster scan, and FM audio, it's possible to put the pictures to sound, even being blind to the language. But, the cool part, is that you could learn to ask for help before you landed. So, there may be a way but, not likely from a line of sight transmitter. I would hope, we kept up those signals just for the sake weary unknown travelers because, if they can't speak the language, they could very well learn to read and write it. I would hate to see a kid, get kidnapped by aliens because, they were smaller, weaker, and easier to control, for the sake of learning some part of the language.

I still don't see why we don't send these creatures to K-12, and grant the option of college. Albert Einstein didn't have a brain that big.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_cognition

Figure, you'd need to retain to many active variable at one time to achieve warp drive, and the bigger brain can hang on to all of that. So, all we need is one elephant who's hobby is his job and education is in applied physics?

For me, it's perfectly obvious why elephants didn't develop technology. That all started with us playing with fire, and our experiments there lead to pottery, the bronze age, and the iron age, etc. the purification of metals and silicon, and here we are. But, if your only tool was your nose, I don't think you'd stick your nose in the fire, or start rubbing two sticks together to smell the smoke. We are not stuck, using our noses to pick things up, or wield tools. We have two hands, and one nose, they have four feet, and a nose. I doubt that they masturbate often because, it smells.

A human mind, is like a 486 CPU, and the Elephant, is like a Server, with a bank of hard drives. Okay, they should learn faster, they should be able to understand more, and if we teach them all we know about the Universe, they're the most likely to teach more that we could ever imagine. It's a bigger and better neural processor. Whales, have an even bigger brain. Teaching them to read and write, in the wild, is just a satellite internet interface. But, these creatures, granted enough factual information, could resolve being better guides that history provides among men.

In the search for intelligent life, we all realize, there is that potential of something much more intelligent that we are. But, in our search, should we forget the signs that are there, in regard to aliens among us? What do they need more than an education, and a place in society, jobs, nothing more.

I really believe and all seeing all knowing entity, does have a plan for us but, we have to pass the test here, to get out there, and that means you have to be willing to accept things that most don't or won't and destroy a prejudice.

We just need to point more telescopes out there and figure what these things are that keep showing on my computer. Tomorrow, I'll post all 8 coordinates. It just doesn't make sense, that I would be seeing satellites, and if they are crossing the path of telescope, ...

Welcome to the search and great enthusiasm there.


s@h is searching frequencies that are deliberately kept clear for astronomy. Hence there should be no satellites or anything else transmitting on the search frequencies. That's shown on the diagram on my profile for what is called the "water hole" for multiple pun-tastic academic reasons ;-)

However... Reality is that some transmitters are so powerful or so badly designed, and the Arecibo receiver is so very sensitive, that we do pick up a lot of Earth-sourced interference. The worst culprit for Arecibo is the radar at a nearby airport reflecting signals off passing aircraft. Exactly as it should do but the aircraft also act as mirrors to deflect some of those transmissions over into the dish.

Other bad sources are microwave ovens and mobile phones (sloppy design or bad use). No doubt others.


As for what you're seeing... Those look like zoomed-in displays of normal noise. The really interesting stuff is when you get something "significant" that stands out from the background (a spike or a "mountain"), or if you get many regular repeats.

s@h is doing a general search to then look for anything that is not known to be 'natural'.

We've also found various other things along the way such as a map of our galaxy and pulsars...


Hope that gives you a start,

Keep searchin',
Martin

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Here's a list of the coordinates and dates because, everything is moving. So, you can check to see where you're pointed.

10 hr 13' 20" RA +20 deg 59' 13" Dec
Dec 10 01:34:34 2008

11 hr 0' 42" RA +22 deg 5' 44" Dec
Mar 13 21:43:43 2009

19 hr 26' 44" RA +28 deg 30' ??" Dec
Aug 20 01:58:32 2008

8 hr 18' 24" RA +21 deg 58' 58" Dec
Dec 19 23:22:26 2008

9 hr 56' 20" RA +21 deg 22' 32" Dec
Apr 17 17:50:10 2008

18 hr 23' 51" RA +18 deg 30' 23" Dec
Jul 4th 21:47:18

0 hr 23' 12" RA +6 deg 3' 45" Dec
Aug 19 23:54:33 2008

17 hr 40' 29" RA +13 deg 17' 16" Dec
Oct 30 13:41:47 2008

I understand what you're saying but, I am not to certain of SETI@home recognizing a network, or a long list of line of sight transmitters from space. It will cause constructive and destructive wave interference, and that will for the most part cause a total loss of any true sine wave you might be searching for. I refer to this page and 99.9 FM Problem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99.9_FM

I still figure, you're best bet at designing the software that will find intelligent life, would have to first work in our own RF environment. We should be listening to ourselves to figure out what the software will do when confronted with communications networks, and it better to assume aliens wouldn't just build one transmitter. If that were the case, the moment in human history, was back when Nikola Tesla, was experimenting, and that's just a flash in the pan. The boom of radio transmissions is more likely to be what we'll find, not a lone experimenter.

Not Noise,

18 hr 0' 31" RA +0 deg 21' 16" Dec
May 21 22:55:04 2008



Not Noise,

16 hr 12' 51" RA +24 deg 21' 6" Dec
Feb 29 02:05:51 2008



That's a 2 mixed signals. Like the 99.9 FM Problem but, includes all of the channels on the dial/in the analysis box.


Typical, noise, the sound of space below.



That signal is so organized, if it's not intelligent life on another planet, somebody is using the telescope to either watch TV or Porn.

For the Atropulse displays, the left to right time encompasses only 1.31072 milliseconds centered on the "Telescope time:" shown above. There are actually 32768 power values in that time, but for graphics purposes that has to be subsampled since displays aren't 32K pixels wide. The back to front Dispersion has 16 slightly different values, which causes the apparent spiky presentation.

For SETI@home v7 displays, the full 107.374 second duration is shown on the back to front time scale, and is subsampled as needed. The horizontal frequency scale covers the full 9765.625 Hz. of the WU, and again may be subsampled for presentation.

Given the totally different dimensions, comparing displays from the different apps isn't really meaningful. Perhaps close observation of those displays might lead to recognition of something important, but it should be understood that not all the data analyzed is displayed. If a special version of Astropulse were built which actually displayed all data chunks for 5 seconds each, processing would take over 100 days. For SaH v7 which covers more data for each display a similarly modified app would only take 11.44 days to complete a task at angle range 0.42.

                                                                  Joe

James, we all see pretty much the same patterns on our screen savers. Been seeing them for most of fourteen years. You can go nuts trying to pick out a pattern with your eyes. But the software says there is nothing significant in the billions of bits of data we have crunched. Maybe we are looking at it from the wrong point of view, who knows. Meanwhile I continue to let my computers crunch the data and occasionally I sit and watch the graphic interpretation on the screen saver.

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James, we all see pretty much the same patterns on our screen savers. Been seeing them for most of fourteen years. You can go nuts trying to pick out a pattern with your eyes. But the software says there is nothing significant in the billions of bits of data we have crunched. Maybe we are looking at it from the wrong point of view, who knows. Meanwhile I continue to let my computers crunch the data and occasionally I sit and watch the graphic interpretation on the screen saver.

I turned off the screen saver after 6 mos because it slows down SETI processing.

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but it should be understood that not all the data analyzed is displayed. If a special version of Astropulse were built which actually displayed all data chunks for 5 seconds each, processing would take over 100 days. For SaH v7 which covers more data for each display a similarly modified app would only take 11.44 days to complete a task at angle range 0.42.

Many thanks Joseph. The screen display is meant to be a SCREENSAVER only, it is not meant to display fully all the results and data that are being gathered. It is a common fallacy to read to much into it.

And since the days of the old phosphor CRTs when screensavers were needed to avoid screen damage... We've since moved to completely different display tech whereby the old screensavers are now reduced to just being a bit of "eye-candy"...


I've not run any s@h screensavers for a very long time now...

Happy fast crunchin',
Martin

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I have two more sets of coordinates, and again, it looks like crowded skies, or a packed tuning dial, and crowded skies. I can plainly see signals ducking behinds something, like orbiting satellites, and signals popping out of nowhere, as if a satellite came from behind a planet.

19 hr 59' 18" RA +34 deg 12' 12" Dec
Sep. 02 18:35:39 2008

22 hr 54' 18" RA +15 deg 27' 12" Dec
Nov. 06 15:54:04 2008



I waited a bit for this one and it shows a signal dropping off, as if a satellite went behind a planet, and not too much later, a new signal pops up, as if a satellite came from behind a planet.

I'm sorry bur that is still nothing new from my viewpoint. I tended to do the same thing initially when I watched the screen saver for too long. Gradually over time I came to realize the patterns were just a product of my brain trying to see patterns where there are none. Sort of like seeing shapes in the clouds. I assume the seti@home software has built in alarms that when and if a batch of data includes an intelligent pattern critical team members will see an alarm go off.

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Bob DeWoody

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Nothing to see apart from a load of spikes.
SETI@Home looks for patterns of data, repeating over extended periods of time, not individual snap-shots, so no alarms for one "interesting" signal, but maybe an announcement after the signal has been compared with others from the same place in the sky at different times that a possible source has been broadly located. Then its over the optical boys to look at that location and see if there is anything to be seen there...

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