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Message 1540945 - Posted: 13 Jul 2014, 15:58:34 UTC - in response to Message 1540941.  

It's because you have based your "shakey" findings on a logical fallacy. Thank you...


Man oh man, just what planet are you living on? 5 women raped, 3 pregnancies resulted - that's 60% with all 5 rapes documented by the Metropolitan Police...

...Fallacy? Think you better restart taking your medications!
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Message 1540950 - Posted: 13 Jul 2014, 16:01:31 UTC - in response to Message 1540941.  



It's because you have based your "shakey" findings on a logical fallacy. Thank you...

What findings would those be? That a significant enough babies are born from rape that women who have been raped should be allowed access to the morning after pill?

That being forced to have an unwanted baby, no matter how it was conceived, is detrimental to both the mother and the child born and society as a whole?

That a ball of cells is not a baby and does not have more rights than the mother?

All these truths are self evident.

Anyone who twists the facts to say otherwise has an agenda which is more about control than the welfare of mothers and their children.

Your beliefs will lead to evil acts. This is a fact that you are wilfully unaware of.
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Message 1540965 - Posted: 13 Jul 2014, 16:10:04 UTC - in response to Message 1540950.  



It's because you have based your "shakey" findings on a logical fallacy. Thank you...

What findings would those be? That a significant enough babies are born from rape that women who have been raped should be allowed access to the morning after pill?

That being forced to have an unwanted baby, no matter how it was conceived, is detrimental to both the mother and the child born and society as a whole?

That a ball of cells is not a baby and does not have more rights than the mother?

All these truths are self evident.

Anyone who twists the facts to say otherwise has an agenda which is more about control than the welfare of mothers and their children.

Your beliefs will lead to evil acts. This is a fact that you are wilfully unaware of.


You have based your argument on a rhetorical fallacy. That is why and how I have kicked your a$$. I understand and use the proper tactic.

You need to understand and change your tactic to match or better my tactic.

Wars are won and lost in much the same way....

You have lost, get better...

Human life starts at conception.
Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...
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Message 1540973 - Posted: 13 Jul 2014, 16:15:03 UTC - in response to Message 1540965.  

Human life starts at conception.

Nope, only when it has developed & a heartbeat detected.
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Message 1540986 - Posted: 13 Jul 2014, 16:20:21 UTC - in response to Message 1540965.  



It's because you have based your "shakey" findings on a logical fallacy. Thank you...

What findings would those be? That a significant enough babies are born from rape that women who have been raped should be allowed access to the morning after pill?

That being forced to have an unwanted baby, no matter how it was conceived, is detrimental to both the mother and the child born and society as a whole?

That a ball of cells is not a baby and does not have more rights than the mother?

All these truths are self evident.

Anyone who twists the facts to say otherwise has an agenda which is more about control than the welfare of mothers and their children.

Your beliefs will lead to evil acts. This is a fact that you are wilfully unaware of.


You have based your argument on a rhetorical fallacy. That is why and how I have kicked your a$$. I understand and use the proper tactic.

You need to understand and change your tactic to match or better my tactic.

Wars are won and lost in much the same way....

You have lost, get better...

Human life starts at conception.

You haven't won at all. You've just ignored the facts you didn't like and then claimed victory.

I don't think you understand what logic is.
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Message 1540989 - Posted: 13 Jul 2014, 16:22:58 UTC - in response to Message 1540986.  

Oh he does understand what logic is. Unfortunately I.D's logic is: -

2+2= (pick your favourite odd number & insert here).
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Message 1541003 - Posted: 13 Jul 2014, 16:32:28 UTC - in response to Message 1540989.  

Oh he does understand what logic is. Unfortunately I.D's logic is: -

2+2= (pick your favourite odd number & insert here).

No that not how it works.
2 + 2 = read bible 10! god said it was 10 so it is 10! nah nah nah nah nah I win.
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Message 1541009 - Posted: 13 Jul 2014, 16:36:52 UTC - in response to Message 1541003.  

Oh he does understand what logic is. Unfortunately I.D's logic is: -

2+2= (pick your favourite odd number & insert here).

No that not how it works.
2 + 2 = read bible 10! god said it was 10 so it is 10! nah nah nah nah nah I win.


...but that's an even number, I.D's logic shows that it must be an odd number.
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Message 1541018 - Posted: 13 Jul 2014, 16:43:59 UTC

More fallacy, once again this time it's called killing the messenger. You do so in order to not address the topic. In person this works better then print. In print it looks just like what I have pointed out, you have address the messenger not the topic.

I have not used the Bible in this argument---at all, nor have any of you used it correctly. LMAO!

Life starts at conception. Potential is the female egg and male sperm. After they meet we have unique DNA of a human life.

Please insert your science here, not opinion, or fallacy, or any stupid and ignorant jokes. Thank you for your time in this matter...
Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...
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Message 1541025 - Posted: 13 Jul 2014, 16:47:26 UTC - in response to Message 1541018.  

Life starts at conception. Potential is the female egg and male sperm. After they meet we have unique DNA of a human life.


Define Life in this context.

Correct, but they are still tiny cells at that stage.
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Message 1541029 - Posted: 13 Jul 2014, 16:49:47 UTC - in response to Message 1541018.  

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Life starts at conception. Potential is the female egg and male sperm. After they meet we have unique DNA of a human life.

..

That's not what you said. You quite clearly wrote (in all caps I believe) that a zygote is a potential human. You were quite adamant about it.
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Message 1541101 - Posted: 13 Jul 2014, 18:54:20 UTC - in response to Message 1541003.  

2 + 2 = read bible 10! god said it was 10 so it is 10! nah nah nah nah nah I win.
The Bible does say the value of π is 3.

1 Kings 7:23
Now he made the sea of cast metal ten cubits from brim to brim, circular in form, and its height was five cubits, and thirty cubits in circumference.

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Message 1541115 - Posted: 13 Jul 2014, 19:49:01 UTC

Look, sorry about your life---what else could I say....

My post was never about generating sympathy - it was to illustrate a reality and to see if an ideological standpoint could be tempered by it, that's all, so please don't trouble yourself ID :) I'm not sorry at all :) and nor is my sister. We found solace in nature - made friends with wild cheetahs and bush babies and chameleons and meerkats and honey badgers etc :) - although we never made much progress with scorpions and army ants :/

We would have preferred not to have been a life long-long instrument of torture to my poor mum of course, whom we love dearly :) and who now torments herself with her "failings" as a mother :( It could only have been achieved by either: a termination when we were no more human than say a couple of warts); or the option of an abortion where she might have been able to take the mental step to have us because she wanted to. That's why I firmly believe the choice should always be there for every woman. Not everyone who attends an abortion clinic walks out no longer pregnant. Some walk out knowing that they are going to be able to love the collection of cells when it becomes a baby and some of those are rape victims. If that's what you mean by human "exceptionalism" then fair enough - but I suspect it isn't :)
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Message 1541165 - Posted: 13 Jul 2014, 22:22:45 UTC - in response to Message 1541115.  

Look, sorry about your life---what else could I say....

My post was never about generating sympathy - it was to illustrate a reality and to see if an ideological standpoint could be tempered by it, that's all, so please don't trouble yourself ID :) I'm not sorry at all :) and nor is my sister. We found solace in nature - made friends with wild cheetahs and bush babies and chameleons and meerkats and honey badgers etc :) - although we never made much progress with scorpions and army ants :/

We would have preferred not to have been a life long-long instrument of torture to my poor mum of course, whom we love dearly :) and who now torments herself with her "failings" as a mother :( It could only have been achieved by either: a termination when we were no more human than say a couple of warts); or the option of an abortion where she might have been able to take the mental step to have us because she wanted to. That's why I firmly believe the choice should always be there for every woman. Not everyone who attends an abortion clinic walks out no longer pregnant. Some walk out knowing that they are going to be able to love the collection of cells when it becomes a baby and some of those are rape victims. If that's what you mean by human "exceptionalism" then fair enough - but I suspect it isn't :)

Whatever a woman decides, it should absolutely be her choice. I still remember the young girl from Ireland I men when I was about 17. She was younger than me and she came to work at the shop where my friend worked. She showed us her stretch marks and told us about the baby she had just recently had to give up. It was the saddest thing I had ever seen. Unfortunately being from Ireland she could not choose an abortion. Her family had made the choice for her and then sent her away. I will never forget her tragic, heartbreaking story.

It should have been her choice, but other people had made the choice for her.
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Message 1541195 - Posted: 13 Jul 2014, 23:37:27 UTC - in response to Message 1541025.  
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Life starts at conception. Potential is the female egg and male sperm. After they meet we have unique DNA of a human life.


Define Life in this context.

Correct, but they are still tiny cells at that stage.


A human life, with all laws of the land applying to this human being. If this human has committed a crime worthy of taking his/her life then make the charge and let the law have it's way with them. If not, if you don't make the charge then you are just a guilty as the mother of the crime of murder, by accomplice.

The unique DNA is more reliable then a fingerprint, so make the charge upon this person and state your reasons for wanting the death penalty applied to him/her.
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Message 1541203 - Posted: 13 Jul 2014, 23:46:45 UTC - in response to Message 1541195.  

A human life, with all laws of the land applying to this human being.

This is where we disagree. ID you won't convince others who disagree with your viewpoint why don't you quit posting on this subject. You are going nowhere with this, move on.
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Message 1541206 - Posted: 13 Jul 2014, 23:50:44 UTC - in response to Message 1541203.  

The SCOTUS didn't disagree with me. They in fact agreed with me, got there by different means but never the less agreed. You won't convince others who disagree with your viewpoint, the law has spoken, why don't you quit posting on this subject. You are going nowhere with this, move on.
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Message 1541212 - Posted: 14 Jul 2014, 0:05:52 UTC - in response to Message 1541206.  
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I was not talking about SCOTUS, I was talking about this forum. You have proven you can not convince people who disagree with you on this subject so why do you keep trying? A definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. That meets Einstein's deffintion what you are doing. You are continue to prove yourself to be insane.
Seek out a mental health professional.
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Message 1541214 - Posted: 14 Jul 2014, 0:07:18 UTC

But us civilised people know how wrong, on so many levels, that SCOTUS ruling is. ;-)

Cheers.
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Message 1541217 - Posted: 14 Jul 2014, 0:11:11 UTC - in response to Message 1541214.  

I'm sure that just like Nancy Patricia D'Alesandro Pelosi you have just misspoken. Isn't that right? :-)
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