The last 4 people who have posted here are quite ignorant of a thing called a fact...

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

Sorry I.D. but you wouldn't know a fact if it bit you on the butt. ;-)

Cheers.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/jun/18/do-rapes-result-fewer-pregnancies-consensual-inter/

You do know that the link you posted doesn't support your claim? It supports what we have said.

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All told, there were 315 rape victims of reproductive age in this sample, resulting in 20 rape-related pregnancies. In an interview, Dean. G. Kilpatrick, one of the researchers and director of the National Crime Victims Research and Treatment Center at the Medical University of South Carolina, acknowledged that, given the sample size, it might have been appropriate to provide a confidence interval. Still, he added, “most people who have looked at the methodology were pretty satisfied that this is a reasonable way to go about it.”

The study concluded that in one year, this rate would result in more than 32,000 rape-related pregnancies, which Kilpatrick said would be about 50,000 a year when adjusted to today’s population. RAINN, using the same incidence rate, calculates about 3,200 pregnancies.

Though the study is nearly two decades old, it has not been updated. The 5 percent figure is a little higher than a separate study that estimates the chance of getting pregnant from a single act of unprotected sex was 3.1 percent; a European study pegged the chances of getting pregnant as 25 percent at two days before ovulation but a 5 percent average over the rest of the cycle, though the possibilities rapidly dwindled within days of ovulation.

Indeed, a 2002 study speculated that the incidence of pregnancy from rape could be even higher — 6.4 percent — in part because women have no choice in refusing sex, whereas in consensual sex a woman may refuse if she thinks the chances of pregnancy are higher.

This supports what we have said. What are you not understanding?

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Sorry I.D. but you wouldn't know a fact if it bit you on the butt. ;-)

Cheers.

I think there may be some basic literacy problems :/

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Sorry I.D. but you wouldn't know a fact if it bit you on the butt. ;-)

Cheers.

I think there may be some basic literacy problems :/

Should I have said "backside" instead of "butt" Es?

Cheers.

For a consistently warped view on reality posting the winner here is you I.D..

At least from my perspective now i freely admit my view may also be warped.

As to your view that life begins at conception then any woman that have a

fertilized egg not implant would be guilty of at least negligent homicide.

Even though this happens quite regularly or what about all the un viable

fertilized eggs should the woman receive a mandatory sentence for stillbirth.

what about fetus's that though genetic testing are known to have such profound

defects as to no POSSIBILITY of any quality of life if carried to term.

you clearly have not thought out all of the what if's or you would not say what you do.

Here is another what if for you (Holo anencephaly) this is when the fetus is born

with the brain entirely lacking no consciousness possible how is this the same

as a healthy child.

you make blanket statements about what is right or wrong but do not bother to look at the whole picture.

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The famous non-answer, answer. Wanna try again there pal? The possibility, is a female egg and male sperm. After the two meet we have a unique human that you nor anyone else has the right to take the life from without the benefit of our rule of law. Find a crime this person has committed and make the charge...

Nope, as even a fertilized egg does not have a 100% natural chance of developing into a human being. Like Es said, some of them don't stick. Furthermore, at this point its just cells. It doesn't have a heart beat, doesn't have brains or a central nervous system. It can't think, its food has to be injected directly into the body through the navel string. Sorry but its no more human than my toe nail clippings or a patch of skin or any other clump of cells taken from my body.

Yeap, it points right back at you.

Your toenail DNA is not a unique human, it points right back at you. The DNA argument has full validity.

Give it to the right scientists with enough money and it could be a unique human. You could clone a fully functional human being out of my toe nail clippings. Its not unique because it shares my DNA? Well does that mean that one of the identical twins is not really a human being because he or she shares the same DNA as her brother or sister? DNA doesn't make you unique. The differences between you and everyone elses DNA including that of dozens of other species is so minimal its almost insignificant. What truly makes you unique is that you occupy a unique place in space and time. That is where 99.9999% of your uniqueness comes from.

Like I said, DNA is irrelevant in this discussion.

The clump of cells is a unique human with full rights of the law.

Well thankfully the law in a lot of places disagrees with you on that. Thank god plenty of people and lawmakers are still sensible enough to understand that a zygote is not a human or a thing that should have the same rights as a born human being.

How do you know that I don't foster children? How do you know I have not adopted?

What gives you the right to make baseless accusations?

Baseless accusation? Sorry, but the odds are against you. Statistically you are likely to support conservative political goals and conservative politicians in conservative political movements. The same movements that fight tooth and nail to reduce any and all forms of welfare to an absolute minimum thereby cutting off exactly the people who would need welfare if they weren't allowed to have an abortion.

Even better, statistically you are also most likely in support of the death penalty and harsh punishments, basically punishing the people that would have been aborted but that you forced to be born and be raised in an environment most conducive to becoming a criminal.

So, statistically, your pro life stance ends the moment the baby is born, after which you don't care and support that persons execution the moment societies neglect (your neglect) forced it into crime.

Of course, I can't say for sure. You know best whether these words ring true or not. Its up to yourself to decide whether I have a point or whether I'm off or whether you chose to pretend I'm wrong. And even if I'm wrong, I'm still right about most of the other pro life people.

I believe in human exceptionalism. The start of life is at conception and it ends with a natural death.

Well there is the problem. Human life is not exceptional, its mostly just completely irrelevant. And if you think it starts at conception, fine, if you and your wife don't want to abort, thats fine, your choice. Don't impose your convictions on other people though. They might not share your belief that life starts at conception and objectively they are not wrong.

I'm thinking ID has failed the Turing test.

The Turing test is a test of a machine's ability to exhibit intelligent behaviour equivalent to, or indistinguishable from, that of a human.

No matter the data presented ID is incapable of thinking through to the answer. ID simply repeats the same thing over and over again. A slightly better programming job than Eliza, but still a machine and not a thinking human being.

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http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/jun/18/do-rapes-result-fewer-pregnancies-consensual-inter/

You do know that the link you posted doesn't support your claim? It supports what we have said.

It also says;

They calculated that a given instance of rape may actually be more likely to result in pregnancy than an instance of consensual sex. (They argue this may be the case from an evolutionary perspective, because rapists control their choice of victims, and may prefer women who are fertile and ovulating.)

That is counter to rape being about control and not reproduction.

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http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/jun/18/do-rapes-result-fewer-pregnancies-consensual-inter/

You do know that the link you posted doesn't support your claim? It supports what we have said.

It also says;

They calculated that a given instance of rape may actually be more likely to result in pregnancy than an instance of consensual sex. (They argue this may be the case from an evolutionary perspective, because rapists control their choice of victims, and may prefer women who are fertile and ovulating.)

That is counter to rape being about control and not reproduction.

Yeah, the interpretations of that study seem to be a bit of an outlier. It doesn't make sense seeing as there are a lot of male rapes too.

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ID simply repeats the same thing over and over again

Gary if ID expects different results isn't that a definition of insanity? If he expects the same results why would he do it? The only answer I can come up with is a very bad case of OCD. In either case he should see a counselor.

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ID simply repeats the same thing over and over again

Gary if ID expects different results isn't that a definition of insanity? If he expects the same results why would he do it? The only answer I can come up with is a very bad case of OCD. In either case he should see a counselor.

Is it insanity or a program? I think it may be the latter. An infinite loop. If it is wetware and not software, doesn't really matter to the test. It only matters to the method, coding or indoctrination. Either way there is an infinite loop at work or as you say doing the same thing over and over. As to if there even is a result expected, I can't say.

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Rape, almost never results in a child...

Are you f*cking kidding me?

Please don't tell me you really are that stupid.

I'm very sane, and I am correct.

Thanks god that I was busy & not on the boards to see this earlier. Secondly, thank god you're not in my social circle or working as a crewmate. It would be a guaranteed fact that you would have bounced off the truck's windscreen as I slammed on the air brakes!

In the decade from 1972-82 I had 3 girlfriends raped, 1 fiancé gang-banged, who was also beaten senseless & 1 sister date raped. The results were 2 abortions & 1 adoption, that equates to 60%.

You've been indoctrinated to the extreme by your faith & it's time you stopped posting & reflect on the mindless drivel you write.

@ Dull

You need to study geography some more...

Greenland :-)

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Rape, almost never results in a child...

Are you f*cking kidding me?

Please don't tell me you really are that stupid.

Just shows how Valid Numbers can be used to support a lie.

Yes, MOST Rapes do not result in pregnancy's.

Yes, MOST Consensual Sex do not result in pregnancy's.

As Mark Twain said: 'There are three types of Falsehoods. Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics'.

a hardy---+1!

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

...all of them--really that stupid.

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

...all of them--really that stupid.

Really?

Pope Francis: About 8,000 priests are paedophiles

The same can be said for them!

Wonder how many children were born to them from their nefarious hobbies...

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Clyde left a great Mark Twain quote for you. Get a good look at it did you?

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

Rape, almost never results in a child...

Are you f*cking kidding me?

Please don't tell me you really are that stupid.

Just shows how Valid Numbers can be used to support a lie.

Yes, MOST Rapes do not result in pregnancy's.

Yes, MOST Consensual Sex do not result in pregnancy's.

As Mark Twain said: 'There are three types of Falsehoods. Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics'.

He did not say "most". He claimed that it almost never results in a child. Which is clearly wrong.

You have as much likely hood (if not more because because at the time you have not taken the necessary precautions) to get pregnant through rape as through consensual sex.

If having sex almost never results in a child, where did all these people come from?

Of course if rape were extremely rare, which it is not, he might have a valid point. Sadly however, that is not the world we live in. If he really cared about preventing abortion, he'd go around teaching men not to rape rather than attacking even more of women's freedoms.

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Rape, almost never results in a child...

Are you f*cking kidding me?

Please don't tell me you really are that stupid.

Just shows how Valid Numbers can be used to support a lie.

Yes, MOST Rapes do not result in pregnancy's.

Yes, MOST Consensual Sex do not result in pregnancy's.

As Mark Twain said: 'There are three types of Falsehoods. Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics'.

He did not say "most". He claimed that it almost never results in a child. Which is clearly wrong.

You have as much likely hood (if not more because because at the time you have not taken the necessary precautions) to get pregnant through rape as through consensual sex.

If having sex almost never results in a child, where did all these people come from?

Of course if rape were extremely rare, which it is not, he might have a valid point. Sadly however, that is not the world we live in. If he really cared about preventing abortion, he'd go around teaching men not to rape rather than attacking even more of women's freedoms.

It's because you have based your "shakey" findings on a logical fallacy. Thank you...

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...