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Message 1540701 - Posted: 13 Jul 2014, 5:27:13 UTC - in response to Message 1540687.  

Health care is a benefit...in other words, it is a form of remuneration for your work. Your employer should not be allowed to tell you what healthcare you can access any more than it should be able to tell you what you spend your pay cheque on.
Health care is a benefit if the employer chooses to provide it. Notice the largest company in the world does not provide ANY health care. Carry on, you are doing a fine job.

Employers by law have to pay minimum wage, so having to hand it over doesn't make it any less of a renumeration for your work.
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Message 1540721 - Posted: 13 Jul 2014, 6:04:55 UTC - in response to Message 1540701.  

Employers by law have to pay minimum wage, so having to hand it over doesn't make it any less of a renumeration for your work.
I don't understand what you are saying. Yes they have to pay minimum wage but that is the only thing they have to pay. Wal*Mart gets around Obamacare by only having part time employees. No vacation, no health care, no 401k, no define penton, no stock option. Should I continue? And you make Hobby Lobby out to be the bad guy. BTW I'm still waiting for the link where Hobby Lobby at one time paid for abortifacients.
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Message 1540726 - Posted: 13 Jul 2014, 6:25:57 UTC - in response to Message 1540721.  

Employers by law have to pay minimum wage, so having to hand it over doesn't make it any less of a renumeration for your work.
I don't understand what you are saying. Yes they have to pay minimum wage but that is the only thing they have to pay. Wal*Mart gets around Obamacare by only having part time employees. No vacation, no health care, no 401k, no define penton, no stock option. Should I continue? And you make Hobby Lobby out to be the bad guy. BTW I'm still waiting for the link where Hobby Lobby at one time paid for abortifacients.

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No they also take matching funds for social security that no business since the

late 40's hasn't figured in to the cost of an employee basically meaning unless

you are self employed and already know you pay ssi twice, and if your company

pay's for health insurance you may be paying half or more of the premium.

this of course does not count the unemployment disability and anything else the

state or the fed want to take out.
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Message 1540729 - Posted: 13 Jul 2014, 6:35:12 UTC - in response to Message 1540726.  

No they also take matching funds for social security that no business since the late 40's hasn't figured in to the cost of an employee
They also write off the matching SS as a business expense. What does this have to do with Hobby Lobby being a very generous employer? Hobby Lobby writes off health care as an expense but that doesn't come close to covering the full cost.
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Message 1540739 - Posted: 13 Jul 2014, 7:10:56 UTC - in response to Message 1540721.  

...I'm still waiting for the link where Hobby Lobby at one time paid for abortifacients.
My edit time has expired on the original post.

I was kindly sent the link. Hobby Lobby did at one time pay for abortifacients but not IUDs. They didn't know they did until it was forced upon them to do so. So they don't have an agenda against Obamacare as would be the case if they objected just to bring the suit.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/03/hobby-lobby-supreme-court-obamacare
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Message 1540757 - Posted: 13 Jul 2014, 7:53:35 UTC - in response to Message 1540739.  

...I'm still waiting for the link where Hobby Lobby at one time paid for abortifacients.
My edit time has expired on the original post.

I was kindly sent the link. Hobby Lobby did at one time pay for abortifacients but not IUDs. They didn't know they did until it was forced upon them to do so. So they don't have an agenda against Obamacare as would be the case if they objected just to bring the suit.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/03/hobby-lobby-supreme-court-obamacare

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So if the corporation
has rights under the first amendment than those right's are good as long as

they do not interfere with an employee's first amendment right to use the

offending methods if their religion requires.

that will be the next suit who takes presidents?
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Message 1540767 - Posted: 13 Jul 2014, 8:55:49 UTC

And some people wonder why others think that the U.S. is sliding back into the dark ages.

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Message 1540799 - Posted: 13 Jul 2014, 10:30:30 UTC - in response to Message 1540675.  

paying particular attention to the part that states "prohibiting the free exercise thereof" you realize that by allowing any exemptions the SCOTUS has acknowledged that the law is prohibiting the free exercise of religion and as such the whole law is unconstitutional.

Thank god the SCOTUS didn't apply this bit of third grader logic or it would have opened up the way to get literally every law in the US repealed. Just yell really loudly that whatever the law does somehow hurts your religious feelings and gone is the law.
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Message 1540826 - Posted: 13 Jul 2014, 11:57:00 UTC - in response to Message 1540799.  

That was my point the first decision opens the door.
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Message 1540911 - Posted: 13 Jul 2014, 15:17:35 UTC

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

translation...

Congress, shall not establish a Faith at the federal level, or disallow a state to have theirs, the federal government shall not disallow any individual the right to speak and address congress and the same applies to the press, the people have the right to join together in any form they seem to want or need, and the one as well as a whole state can fully address the federal government to make or remove laws as seen fit by the people.
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Message 1540923 - Posted: 13 Jul 2014, 15:41:50 UTC - in response to Message 1540739.  

...I'm still waiting for the link where Hobby Lobby at one time paid for abortifacients.
My edit time has expired on the original post.

I was kindly sent the link. Hobby Lobby did at one time pay for abortifacients but not IUDs. They didn't know they did until it was forced upon them to do so. So they don't have an agenda against Obamacare as would be the case if they objected just to bring the suit.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/03/hobby-lobby-supreme-court-obamacare

Right, and they wouldn't possibly lie would they?

"oh look, how did that contraception coverage get there? We must have slipped and fallen"

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Message 1540936 - Posted: 13 Jul 2014, 15:51:17 UTC - in response to Message 1540923.  

Wait till the Sisters (Catholic) case gets to SCOTUS, your head will spontaneously blow up! LOL!
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Message 1540938 - Posted: 13 Jul 2014, 15:52:38 UTC - in response to Message 1540936.  

Wait till the Sisters (Catholic) case gets to SCOTUS, your head will spontaneously blow up! LOL!

Yes, because heads do that all the time.
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Message 1541328 - Posted: 14 Jul 2014, 5:20:36 UTC - in response to Message 1540911.  

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

translation...

Congress, shall not establish a Faith at the federal level, or disallow a state to have theirs, the federal government shall not disallow any individual the right to speak and address congress and the same applies to the press, the people have the right to join together in any form they seem to want or need, and the one as well as a whole state can fully address the federal government to make or remove laws as seen fit by the people.



the ACA was a law passed by congress as such since the SCOTUS made an exception for religious reasons in the hobby lobby case, they are stating that the law is prohibiting the free practice of religion.
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Message 1541341 - Posted: 14 Jul 2014, 5:42:59 UTC - in response to Message 1540936.  

Wait till the Sisters (Catholic) case gets to SCOTUS, your head will spontaneously blow up! LOL!
Six justices are Catholic. All the Sisters have to do is bring rulers to the court and slap their palms wile staring at the bench. Nothing puts the fear of god in a Catholic more than a nun with a ruler.
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Message 1541663 - Posted: 14 Jul 2014, 19:42:48 UTC - in response to Message 1541328.  

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

translation...

Congress, shall not establish a Faith at the federal level, or disallow a state to have theirs, the federal government shall not disallow any individual the right to speak and address congress and the same applies to the press, the people have the right to join together in any form they seem to want or need, and the one as well as a whole state can fully address the federal government to make or remove laws as seen fit by the people.



the ACA was a law passed by congress as such since the SCOTUS made an exception for religious reasons in the hobby lobby case, they are stating that the law is prohibiting the free practice of religion.



Thats some large amounts of spin you have there..., ...would you have something called a fact to go along with that spin?
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Message 1541759 - Posted: 14 Jul 2014, 22:01:16 UTC

United States Constitution wrote:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."


translation...

Congress, shall not establish a Faith at the federal level, or disallow a state to have theirs, the federal government shall not disallow any individual the right to speak and address congress and the same applies to the press, the people have the right to join together in any form they seem to want or need, and the one as well as a whole state can fully address the federal government to make or remove laws as seen fit by the people or group of people.

Do I believe a group of people are one person? No. Do I agree with laws that allow a corp to say it's a person? No.

Do I agree a group of like minded people can band together and make a law? Yes. Do I agree with a laws that allow a group of people to band together and make a allow? Yes.

I have been very clear as to what a human being is and is not. A person is a person from conseption to natural death.

Your B*llsh!t arguments and putting words into my mouth that I did not use is just what I have stated, B*llsh!t... Hollow arguments with no logic and the placing of bad ethics along with poor science is the topping on this roadapple pie you have all made. The Causal Agent always shockes me with new people that have the art of stacking sh!t higher and higher. I assume there is a limit of this stacking but as of yet I see no end.

Where the left goes wrong with this wacky logic is how to define what life is. It must to the far left look like a human. They banter the word racism all the time but are racist to life itself, you must look human to be human, racism of HUMAN LIFE, because of LOOKS?!!

The right goes wrong by putting that human life at risk for no reason. With no regard for rule of law, we have national interests overseas that we must attend to by killing others for our cause of exporting our ideals, of, rule of law! LMAO! Yes, bin laden needed lead to the head, no doubt. But it would have been better off for all of us if we did it like the IDF after the olympic killings of the Jewish people. We have NO INTEREST overseas other then free and open trade, our first president was very clear about this with his goodbye speech after his second shot at the big seat. Follow your founders and you wont go wrong as many times as we have of late...

So, here I am once again in the center, clingging onto life and what a life is. I'm center, you are either left or right of me but you for sure are not center with me. I don't go for the shell game, or three card monty. I go for the sure bet everytime. I make no mistake when life matters. I side with life and that makes me center and you with the wacky ethics of either side, on the wrong side of the argument. Try morals, look into your heart, the morals you was born with. And don't give in to bad science and ethics of the day.
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Message 1541762 - Posted: 14 Jul 2014, 22:09:30 UTC - in response to Message 1541759.  

Nice rant, I'm sure you will sway many to your views with this tactic.
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Message 1541809 - Posted: 15 Jul 2014, 1:05:18 UTC - in response to Message 1541762.  

this just in..

Major Doctors' Group Endorses Hobby Lobby Override Bill

A doctors' association representing 90 percent of board-certified U.S. gynecologists has endorsed Democrat-sponsored legislation to override the Supreme Court's recent Hobby Lobby birth control decision.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/14/major-doctors-group-endor_0_n_5585018.html
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Message 1541845 - Posted: 15 Jul 2014, 3:34:29 UTC - in response to Message 1541809.  

Major Doctors' Group Endorses Hobby Lobby Override Bill

A doctors' association representing 90 percent of board-certified U.S. gynecologists has endorsed Democrat-sponsored legislation to override the Supreme Court's recent Hobby Lobby birth control decision.
Congress can't override a SCOTUS decision; that requires a constitutional amendment. Maybe these Doctors should take a course in 8th grade civics.
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