In 1790 the last draft of the Constitution was made. It was voted on and a majority of the 13 states accepted it.

They all accepted it. It had to be unanimous as each state was a State back then. It's like the Mafia though, once in you are in forever; there is no provision to vote out, so no Scotland or Quebec type vote is possible.

This is the US of A not Europe, that's why those people should stay out of things they they don't understand.

I said this before; the SCOUTS is not the last word the rule of law is. If "We the People" don't like it we change it. Booze bad, constitutional amendment, prohibition bad, constitutional amendment. Most posters to this supposed forum are not "We the People" and are of no consequence to US.

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Most posters to this supposed forum are not "We the People" and are of no consequence to US.

In that case, China should call in your debt. What is the consequence to the US then?

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Most posters to this supposed forum are not "We the People" and are of no consequence to US.

Of course we're not, we're not important, who will listen to us, but oh boy, if we had big money!...

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Most posters to this supposed forum are not "We the People" and are of no consequence to US.

Of course we're not, we're not important, who will listen to us, but oh boy, if we had big money!...

Indeed. Presumably if I had enough money and started a multinational corporation, I would matter more than the average US voter.

Most posters to this supposed forum are not "We the People" and are of no consequence to US.

Of course we're not, we're not important, who will listen to us, but oh boy, if we had big money!...

Indeed. Presumably if I had enough money and started a multinational corporation, I would matter more than the average US voter.

Of course...

[edit] It would matter in todays society but would it matter to your friends?

[edit²] Sorry for the cafe talk, I'll be out here in a sec:)

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Most posters to this supposed forum are not "We the People" and are of no consequence to US.

In that case, China should call in your debt. What is the consequence to the US then?

The same consequence as calling in Tony Soprano's debt.

I'm asking nicely for a bit more time, capisce?

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Oh that is nice, friendly when you're in need of $$$, but enemies when that friend asks to be repaid.

I think the International Community need to build a large mental hospital with the US put in the Isolation ward...

...Charles Lindbergh would be pleased!

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Perhaps you if that is not what you mean and you didn't mean to make a sweeping generalisations about all Americans, you should be clearer? I can only respond to what you say. Not what you think you say.
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Thank you for noticing. I do make an effort to be very clear and not go over people's heads. I know sometimes I don't quite pitch it right and people misunderstand what I am trying to say, but I do really try.

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I do apologize.

Sometimes (many times) I take on the tone, and thought processes, of other's in a discussion/debate/interview/interrogation.

Just a lifelong habit from my Training and Experiences, to get to the root of a person's thinking and knowledge.

It actually works very well 'face-to-face'. But is not conducive to a Message Board.

Our training and experience do colour how we discuss thing and view the world.

I for example tend to try to get into what is called a person's zone of proximal development and guide them towards making connections themselves using examples that can trigger something called cognitive conflict. Sometimes my attempts misfire, for example a recent argument I had with our Gary here, where he took personal issue with the example I used which was intended to trigger an emotional response and get him to examine certain beliefs he holds. The emotional response I triggered was a little more than I anticipated and distracted from the point I was trying to make. In the short term at least.

I was trained to teach by using discussion to lead people towards understanding things for themselves. I suspect you were trained to give people hard time to see what cracks appear. However, your interrogations are nothing compared to trying to teach a class of 30 dysfunctional teenagers.

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GOP candidate who supports abstinence-only learns it doesn’t work the hard way.

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Stop, please stop. It burns when you all do that, please stop hurting me...

"We the People" do indeed rule ourselves. And you are seeing a awakening right now with all the stupid things this president has done of later. You are seeing the republic in action.

It will get worse before it gets better but it is working as it should, slow but sure...

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

GOP candidate who supports abstinence-only learns it doesn’t work the hard way.

"Our children have been the greatest blessing of our lives and we welcome our grandchild as a joyous addition to our family,”

What's odd he isn't Catholic but Evangelical. I thought contraception was OK with them. Hobby Lobby buys contraception for their women employees.

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GOP candidate who supports abstinence-only learns it doesn’t work the hard way.

Nah, he doesn't learn jack from this, because this guy is as privileged as possible. And by extension so is his daughter. Sure, it will be a bit more difficult for her than for her peers, but she has a dad that has money and is well connected and can make sure that her kid gets all the support it will ever need. All this guy learns is that for him and maybe his daughter this is a slight bump in the road, but one that is relatively easily overcome. Given the bills he supports I suspect this guy lacks the ability to put himself in the shoes of people who are not him or like him, so he will never understand what kind of 'inconvenience' a teenage pregnancy is for women who are not as well off as him or his family. For women who are poor and who lack the support network that can help her take care of the baby, who therefor have to drop out of school or who have trouble studying and keeping up their grades because they have a pregnancy to deal with.

No, this guy will never learn because he is fundamentally incapable of checking his fricking privilege.

Stop, please stop. It burns when you all do that, please stop hurting me...

Lighten up. If you can't. Just 'Unsubscribe' from this.

Well, they should at least disinfect their hands before touching me like that...

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

Most posters to this supposed forum are not "We the People" and are of no consequence to US.

In that case, China should call in your debt. What is the consequence to the US then?

The same consequence as calling in Tony Soprano's debt.

I'm asking nicely for a bit more time, capisce?

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this whole discussion is moot since the first amendment states


"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."


paying particular attention to the part that states "prohibiting the free exercise thereof" you realize that by allowing any exemptions the SCOTUS has acknowledged that the law is prohibiting the free exercise of religion and as such the whole law is unconstitutional.

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this whole discussion is moot since the first amendment states


"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."


paying particular attention to the part that states "prohibiting the free exercise thereof" you realize that by allowing any exemptions the SCOTUS has acknowledged that the law is prohibiting the free exercise of religion and as such the whole law is unconstitutional.

Only if you assume that a business can practice religion.

Would you ever think it was ok for an employer to tell you what you can spend your wages on? What if they refused to pay you as much as the next person because they didn't like you drinking alcohol? Would you be ok with that?

Health care is a benefit...in other words, it is a form of remuneration for your work. Your employer should not be allowed to tell you what healthcare you can access any more than it should be able to tell you what you spend your pay cheque on.

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Health care is a benefit...in other words, it is a form of remuneration for your work. Your employer should not be allowed to tell you what healthcare you can access any more than it should be able to tell you what you spend your pay cheque on.

Health care is a benefit if the employer chooses to provide it. Notice the largest company in the world does not provide ANY health care. Carry on, you are doing a fine job.

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Another person not reading, nor understanding the SCOTUS Decision.

Another example of 'Brick Wall Thinking'.
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Clyde, she was just explaing a basic economic theory and presented a pretty convincing argument. If I were grading papers she would do much better than you based upon the logical progression of the arguments.

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Health care is a benefit if the employer chooses to provide it.

Employer supplied health care is WWII inspired tax dodge designed to get around a freeze on wages. It really should go away.

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Health care is a benefit if the employer chooses to provide it.

Employer supplied health care is WWII inspired tax dodge designed to get around a freeze on wages. It really should go away.

I must now agree, employees should take all earnings in cash. Cash cannot be taken back. Obama in now showing the value of my employer provided health care on my 1099R. It is outrageous what it is valued at. I would rather have the $7,000 a year and that isn't even the primary payer, Medicare is which I pay $1,200 a year for; or course I paid premiums all my life. I also qualify for free VA care so yes I should have taken the cash.

Your are purposing tax and spend BTW.

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