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Batter Up Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 1946 Credit: 24,860,347 RAC: 0 |
I see what the problem is here. Thank the designer I live in the US of A. |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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Bill Walker Send message Joined: 4 Sep 99 Posts: 3868 Credit: 2,697,267 RAC: 0 |
I see what the problem is here. Thank the designer I live in the US of A. Actually Julie, he is a troll. He will support any point of view that will annoy other posters. Don't take him too seriously. |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
I see what the problem is here. Thank the designer I live in the US of A. I see... thanx Bill:) rOZZ Music Pictures |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
One does not need to believe in Natures God, they can believe in natural rights. 1% does not tell the other 99% what to do. The Constitution tells them, if it's not within the Constitution it is not law by federal standards, perhaps state, but not federal. Perhaps some do not understand the meaning of Republic and our 10th amendment? Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick... |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
One does not need to believe in Natures God, they can believe in natural rights. And who decides whats in the constitution? Congress. Of what consists congress? Democratically elected officials. Or if you want, people who are voted in by a minority of people (thanks low voter turnout!). And who interprets the constitution? The Supreme Court. Exactly 9 people. But, only 5 of those 9 people have to agree in order to make it count as the 'valid' interpretation of the Constitution. All in all you are right, 1% does not tell 99% what to do. Its even less than 1%. Much less. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19048 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Don't forget it was the 0.1% that wrote the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the Federalist papers in the first place. And then got their 1%er friends to teach the remainder it is so wonderful. |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
[quote]One does not need to believe in Natures God, they can believe in natural rights. And who decides whats in the constitution? Congress. Of what consists congress? Democratically elected officials. Or if you want, people who are voted in by a minority of people (thanks low voter turnout!). In 1790 the last draft of the Constitution was made. It was voted on and a majority of the 13 states accepted it. Each state that has joined the Union has accepted the Constitution. There are many ways to amend the Constitution. You are famous for questions that have no link to topic. I'll ignore the last thought... And who interprets the constitution? The Supreme Court. Exactly 9 people. But, only 5 of those 9 people have to agree in order to make it count as the 'valid' interpretation of the Constitution. The Federalist Papers are the intent of our Constitution. While law takes many forms in our Country, intent should be first and foremost and intent is found in the Federalist Papers. SCOTUS/The Supreme Court is the last stop in a long line just to find out if a law is Constitutional or not. I take issue with 'valid'. You should fully read what the Court has to say on issues of our Constitution. Do they site the Federalist Papers? Do they site international law? One is upholding our law, the other is legislation from the bench. All in all you are right, 1% does not tell 99% what to do. Its even less than 1%. Much less. You have no understanding of rule of law. The law in question was about 1st amendment rights, all states have agreed to the Constitution and it's rule of law. The owners, a family biz, took a Constitutional issue to SCOTUS and won, the Constitution was upheld, regurdless of how I think we got there, we got there. Now everyone abides by this issue, the rule of law. Corporations have no human DNA, ergo, not a person. A person is human, homosapien, from the time of conception till that of natural death. Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick... |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
Wrong again. It was 3% that fought, it was 1/3 of total population that helped out. And a majority of the vote that set them free from a Kingdom, your little island. Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick... |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
You have no understanding of rule of law. The law in question was about 1st amendment rights, all states have agreed to the Constitution and it's rule of law. The owners, a family biz, took a Constitutional issue to SCOTUS and won, the Constitution was upheld, regurdless of how I think we got there, we got there. Now everyone abides by this issue, the rule of law. It still means that 5 people decided an issue that affects a lot of people. Therefor the claim that a minority decides and imposes its will on the majority remains true. Corporations have no human DNA, ergo, not a person. Agreed, but again, SCOTUS decided otherwise. Legally, a corporation is as much a person as you are. Again a perfectly fine example of how a minority imposed its view on the majority. |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
You have no understanding of rule of law. The law in question was about 1st amendment rights, all states have agreed to the Constitution and it's rule of law. The owners, a family biz, took a Constitutional issue to SCOTUS and won, the Constitution was upheld, regurdless of how I think we got there, we got there. Now everyone abides by this issue, the rule of law. Any law passed by the Court can be changed by amendment by the people themselves, you once again have no idea what you are talking about. "Here sir, the people govern." ~Hamilton And they have the right to change that too, the elected. And impeach... Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick... |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Agreed, but again, SCOTUS decided otherwise. Legally, a corporation is as much a person as you are. Again a perfectly fine example of how a minority imposed its view on the majority. Are you speaking for all Americans again? Because I get a lot of the information you don't like from actual living, breathing, real life Americans who think the way we do. Reality Internet Personality |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Any law passed by the Court can be changed by amendment by the people themselves, you once again have no idea what you are talking about. Yes, it can, but that hasn't happened. So for now, the Citizens United ruling stands and corporations are legally deemed as people. |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Мишель... Oh, so you mean that whatever the Supreme Court says can simply be ignored? You mean to say that the Citizens United ruling did not in fact give personhood to corporations? That it did not equal money with free speech? Or do all those words suddenly mean something completely different in American English? Nah, I think Es is right. You are speaking for all Americans again but you are just completely unrepresentative of how Americans think. Any claim you make about America is about as valid as any claim you have made about Europe. Which is to say, not valid at all. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Agreed, but again, SCOTUS decided otherwise. Legally, a corporation is as much a person as you are. Again a perfectly fine example of how a minority imposed its view on the majority. No, its just reading what you've said. "Americans really do not think as Europeans do". Perhaps you if that is not what you mean and you didn't mean to make a sweeping generalisations about all Americans, you should be clearer? I can only respond to what you say. Not what you think you say. Do you really believe ALL Peoples/Cultures, in different Country's/Regions of the world, think alike? That there is no DOMINANT Culture/Thinking? That within these Cultures/Thinking, there are no people who think differently? Do you really believe your silly accusations? I seem to be aware that there is more diversity amongst people than you are. Stop with the silly 'erect a phony straw dog - and knock it down' word games. What are you suggesting here? That because I pick up on what you actually say, that I playing some sort of game? How strange that you see it like that. Note: I find you a very easy adversary. Thank you for noticing. I do make an effort to be very clear and not go over people's heads. I know sometimes I don't quite pitch it right and people misunderstand what I am trying to say, but I do really try. Thank you! :) Reality Internet Personality |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30638 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Perhaps you if that is not what you mean and you didn't mean to make a sweeping generalisations about all Americans, you should be clearer? I can only respond to what you say. Not what you think you say. Pot --- Kettle |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Coffee, white & 2 sugars please :-) Getting back on topic. I really cannot understand how anyone can turn a corporation into a person & use that to introduce laws or exemptions from laws. Tax fiddle or a blatant attempt at dictatorship because that's what it comes across as! |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30638 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Coffee, white & 2 sugars please :-) SCOTUS is severely confused and trapped in the past. Back in the dark ages, Kings granted corporations and those were essentially mini-kingdoms. SCOTUS is stuck thinking that is what corporation is. A grant to be a sovereign. (Kings then were all people) Unfortunately, we will have to educate them via a Constitutional Amendment that a corporation is just like any other business license and conveys no special status. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Unfortunately, we will have to educate them via a Constitutional Amendment that a corporation is just like any other business license and conveys no special status. In that case, you better get a move on, otherwise if many others jump onto that bandwagon, it will be too late & take the US down a road that will cause nothing but strife. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30638 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Unfortunately, we will have to educate them via a Constitutional Amendment that a corporation is just like any other business license and conveys no special status. Since Citizens United keeps the politicians in piles of cash we have reached the vertical greased slope. |
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