I am 100% Atheist, not a closet Christian.
I have also watched TV shows on Biblical stories. It seems the story of Noah, was likely copied from another story several hundred years before.

Also, there are interesting similarities between the life of Jesus, and Odysseus from Homer's Odyssey. It almost seems much was copied from the earlier story 800 years prior. This is certainly not confirmed, but one TV show did point out the similarities.

I have no problem learning about and understanding history. By understanding history, I can better understand the present. I can discuss things with others, and not be completely ignorant of the discussion.

I assure you, there is no religious belief in me at all. I have no problem with others that do, and many are my friends. I do have a strong comprehension of science, and I learn new things every day. Every time I am wrong, is an opportunity to get it right the next time.

Knowledge is power.

Steve

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Steve,
That was a very interesting, and a very honest answer. Thank you Steve! Now I have a better understanding of where you are coming from.

Ok Steve - History;
Homer's Odyssey, so you have read it! I haven't read it. But I know roughly what it is about. Its Greek History. Steve what goes through your mind when you read Greek History? They are funny stories in the Greek History books. Steve, would you agree with me that the Greek History, like Homer's Odyssey as an example, it almost doesn't read like a history book at all! These old books, they read more like the script for a movie, they are full of what could only be described as "science fiction", would you agree? They read like movie scripts!

John.

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Steve,
That was a very interesting, and a very honest answer. Thank you Steve! Now I have a better understanding of where you are coming from.

Ok Steve - History;
Homer's Odyssey, so you have read it! I haven't read it. But I know roughly what it is about. Its Greek History. Steve what goes through your mind when you read Greek History? They are funny stories in the Greek History books. Steve, would you agree with me that the Greek History, like Homer's Odyssey as an example, it almost doesn't read like a history book at all! These old books, they read more like the script for a movie, they are full of what could only be described as "science fiction", would you agree? They read like movie scripts!

John.

The Odyssey is not Greek history. Its a mythical story about Odysseus and his 10 year journey to get back home to his wife Penelope after the siege of Troy. There may be some parallels with Greek history, but no one accepts it as fact.

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When I was young, I liked Greek Mythology. I enjoyed reading the stories.
What I am learning in the present day, is how some of those stories were constructed. Is there any physical evidence behind them, or are they complete fiction. Many of the shows I watch, provide evidence for connections of events.

I also watch a lot of how the earth and universe were formed. I studied music when I was a boy, and learned piano, clarinet, and guitar. I am not very good any more, but I gained an understanding of how music is composed. I was drum major of my high school band, and student conductor. I have also studied martial arts for close to 40 years.

Learning is not confined to just science, but being well rounded in today's world is a bonus.

When we look back at Egyptian tombs, there is a lot we can learn about the culture. One interesting thing I learned about the Spynx, is that the wear of the stone, was actually caused by water, not wind. The Spynx has been completely buried several times, and unearthed later. Because of the water erosion, the age of the Spynx is actually around 12,000 years, as the climate was wet back then. By making measurements of the Spynx's head, it has been determined that it was carved from a person of a different race than the Pharo Chefron, which it has been thought to represent.

The walls of Jerico came down because it is on a geological fault. They have been rocked many times in the past by earth quakes.

Science leads the way to discovery. It tests, and retests itself, and therefor self corrects. Studying the past, using archeology is a great way to weed the fact from the fiction. Large events leave records. Tsunami waves leave sediment where there normally was none, and it can be dated.

Evidence leads to more accurate conclusions.
As to your research, the book you are using is highly questionable as fact, and I backed that up with references to those books. What DNA results would you get from a Russian Bible, or one written in Ancient Greek? As Winternight pointed out, DNA hadn't been discovered or named for close to 2000 years after the time of Jesus. It makes no sense at all to pull code from ancient text under those conditions.

Steve

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Steve,
Ok, so you seem to have a good knowledge of Greek History, and possibly Egyptian history and maybe a few others too.

So Steve, what is in common with the history of all these nations? It doesn't matter what country you study, you will always find the same thing!

1. There "History" reads like "Mythology" - (Every single nation on Earth, barring none!)

2. Genealogy - If you dig hard enough, always, always, always, you will always be able to find who someone's father was!!!! And his father before him, and his father before him, and so on, and so on!!(Every single nation on Earth, barring none!)

3. Spelling - Steve, this is very very important!! They always get the spellings of peoples names wrong! or put that another way, they intentionally keep changing the spelling of peoples names as you read through the story. In many cases, as you read the story, they will spell a guys name in 2 or 3 different ways in the same paragraph, or on the same page!! Steve, its NOT an accident, its intentional!! and again ->>(Every single nation on Earth, barring none!) (I will explain the reason for the spelling problem in a later message. Its very complex)

4. No race of People, from any nation on Earth, has a written history that dates that race of people back before 4000 BC, approximately! There might be modern scholars that claim otherwise, but its not true. If you spend enough time checking, no race of people has a written history that dates before 4000 BC, approximately!and again ->>(Every single nation on Earth, barring none!)

Steve, they were all in on it!! The Jews, the Christians, The Muslims, the Hindus, the Buddhists, all of them. They were all in on it!!

There really was a real Adam and Eve. And they were "created" by genetic engineers down in Babylon, modern day Iraq, roughly around the year 4000 BC. And Adam and Eve were born into a world that was already fully populated with people, human beings, just like you and me! In effect, what they did was they kind of "reset the clock" on humanity. So everywhere Adam and Eve went, there was "people" there to meet them!! Everywhere!! No matter where Adam and Eve went, there were tonnes of people - The "God" people!! The whole Earth, every single country had people living there around 4000 BC when the genetic engineers created Adam and Eve down in Babylon! Adam and Eve were born into a world that was fully populated with genetic engineers who were just waiting for their group to arrive so they could "Play God" with them when they arrived!

And as time went on, and Adam and Eve had children, where ever there children went, there were "people" there to meet them!! Again, the "God" people!! And those children had more children, and they also had children, and so on, and so on. Everywhere the descendants of Adam and Eve went, there is ALWAYS people there to meet them, and its always the "God" people!!! Always!! And they were always writing down and recording what the descendants of Adam and Eve were doing!! Always!! Always "Playing God", with us!!!

Everywhere mankind went on the Earth, "God", that is, the people propagating the "God story", were always there to meet them. This has been going on for the last 6000 years. Everywhere we went, that is, the descendants of Adam and Eve, there was always the "God People" there to meet them, and to Govern us, and to write down every single thing that we do!! And to record it all in books!! And to write the books as "Mythology"!!

Its the same in every single nation on Earth, and its always the same story! They were all in on it - Who? - The "God" people, the people with the religious books in their hand who are always telling you about God. And they were there in every single nation on Earth, to met us as we arrived!! And to Govern us, with the scary book called the Bible, or the Koran, or what ever holy book is associated with each country.

This has gone on for the last 6000 years, right through to modern day America. Yes, America!!! When Christopher Columbus arrived in America, the "God" people were just waiting there for him when he got off the boat! And every where people went in North America, the "God" people were ALWAYS there waiting for us to arrive, so they could record what we were doing, and how many children we were having, and to build the churches, and to record the marriages, and to Govern us, and to build the Government buildings!! And to lay everything out to a pre-set plan that they already had written out 6000 year previously. Hmmmmm..... and of coarse, to bury us when we die! So you can be brought back to answer to "God" on the last day! Its all recorded! That is what they do!

And they are still there today, writing it all down, while we here on the SETI message board debate the existence of "God".

Enough, I could write a book about this crap,
John-Paul

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I am 100% Atheist, not a closet Christian.
I have also watched TV shows on Biblical stories. It seems the story of Noah, was likely copied from another story several hundred years before.

Also, there are interesting similarities between the life of Jesus, and Odysseus from Homer's Odyssey. It almost seems much was copied from the earlier story 800 years prior. This is certainly not confirmed, but one TV show did point out the similarities.

I have no problem learning about and understanding history. By understanding history, I can better understand the present. I can discuss things with others, and not be completely ignorant of the discussion.

I assure you, there is no religious belief in me at all. I have no problem with others that do, and many are my friends. I do have a strong comprehension of science, and I learn new things every day. Every time I am wrong, is an opportunity to get it right the next time.

Knowledge is power.

Steve

I haven't read 'The Epic of Gilgamesh' but I believe the flood story is more or less a direct copy?
It is known the sea level rose about 300ft after last ice age, several town and villages have been found off the coast in the Mediterranean. Another theory is the land bridges across Bosporus and between med and Atlantic were breached causing widespread flooding and destruction. May well have been several thousand years of folk tales before anything was written down

I haven't read 'The Epic of Gilgamesh' but I believe the flood story is more or less a direct copy?
It is known the sea level rose about 300ft after last ice age, several town and villages have been found off the coast in the Mediterranean. Another theory is the land bridges across Bosporus and between med and Atlantic were breached causing widespread flooding and destruction. May well have been several thousand years of folk tales before anything was written down

Yes, you are correct!
I am still at work, and can't respond as I would like.
The bottom line is following the geological evidence.

Steve

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I haven't read 'The Epic of Gilgamesh' but I believe the flood story is more or less a direct copy?
It is known the sea level rose about 300ft after last ice age, several town and villages have been found off the coast in the Mediterranean. Another theory is the land bridges across Bosporus and between med and Atlantic were breached causing widespread flooding and destruction. May well have been several thousand years of folk tales before anything was written down

Yes, you are correct!
I am still at work, and can't respond as I would like.
The bottom line is following the geological evidence.

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Well you certainly get proof that a person is delusional when they award them self a win from the back of the pack.

Nice try Johnney.

Better luck next time. ;-)

Cheers.

Steve,
Ok, so you seem to have a good knowledge of Greek History, and possibly Egyptian history and maybe a few others too.

So Steve, what is in common with the history of all these nations? It doesn't matter what country you study, you will always find the same thing!

1. There "History" reads like "Mythology" - (Every single nation on Earth, barring none!)

2. Genealogy - If you dig hard enough, always, always, always, you will always be able to find who someone's father was!!!! And his father before him, and his father before him, and so on, and so on!!(Every single nation on Earth, barring none!)

3. Spelling - Steve, this is very very important!! They always get the spellings of peoples names wrong! or put that another way, they intentionally keep changing the spelling of peoples names as you read through the story. In many cases, as you read the story, they will spell a guys name in 2 or 3 different ways in the same paragraph, or on the same page!! Steve, its NOT an accident, its intentional!! and again ->>(Every single nation on Earth, barring none!) (I will explain the reason for the spelling problem in a later message. Its very complex)

4. No race of People, from any nation on Earth, has a written history that dates that race of people back before 4000 BC, approximately! There might be modern scholars that claim otherwise, but its not true. If you spend enough time checking, no race of people has a written history that dates before 4000 BC, approximately!and again ->>(Every single nation on Earth, barring none!)

Steve, they were all in on it!! The Jews, the Christians, The Muslims, the Hindus, the Buddhists, all of them. They were all in on it!!

There really was a real Adam and Eve. And they were "created" by genetic engineers down in Babylon, modern day Iraq, roughly around the year 4000 BC. And Adam and Eve were born into a world that was already fully populated with people, human beings, just like you and me! In effect, what they did was they kind of "reset the clock" on humanity. So everywhere Adam and Eve went, there was "people" there to meet them!! Everywhere!! No matter where Adam and Eve went, there were tonnes of people - The "God" people!! The whole Earth, every single country had people living there around 4000 BC when the genetic engineers created Adam and Eve down in Babylon! Adam and Eve were born into a world that was fully populated with genetic engineers who were just waiting for their group to arrive so they could "Play God" with them when they arrived!

And as time went on, and Adam and Eve had children, where ever there children went, there were "people" there to meet them!! Again, the "God" people!! And those children had more children, and they also had children, and so on, and so on. Everywhere the descendants of Adam and Eve went, there is ALWAYS people there to meet them, and its always the "God" people!!! Always!! And they were always writing down and recording what the descendants of Adam and Eve were doing!! Always!! Always "Playing God", with us!!!

Everywhere mankind went on the Earth, "God", that is, the people propagating the "God story", were always there to meet them. This has been going on for the last 6000 years. Everywhere we went, that is, the descendants of Adam and Eve, there was always the "God People" there to meet them, and to Govern us, and to write down every single thing that we do!! And to record it all in books!! And to write the books as "Mythology"!!

Its the same in every single nation on Earth, and its always the same story! They were all in on it - Who? - The "God" people, the people with the religious books in their hand who are always telling you about God. And they were there in every single nation on Earth, to met us as we arrived!! And to Govern us, with the scary book called the Bible, or the Koran, or what ever holy book is associated with each country.

This has gone on for the last 6000 years, right through to modern day America. Yes, America!!! When Christopher Columbus arrived in America, the "God" people were just waiting there for him when he got off the boat! And every where people went in North America, the "God" people were ALWAYS there waiting for us to arrive, so they could record what we were doing, and how many children we were having, and to build the churches, and to record the marriages, and to Govern us, and to build the Government buildings!! And to lay everything out to a pre-set plan that they already had written out 6000 year previously. Hmmmmm..... and of coarse, to bury us when we die! So you can be brought back to answer to "God" on the last day! Its all recorded! That is what they do!

And they are still there today, writing it all down, while we here on the SETI message board debate the existence of "God".

Enough, I could write a book about this crap,
John-Paul

I find this a very strange claim considering you are from Ireland that has its own set of gods and mythologies.

It is only the Abrahamic faiths that have GOD (singular) all other faiths eg, Hindu, Viking, Celtic, Roman, Egyptian, Native American etc have gods and goddesses.

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Well you certainly get proof that a person is delusional when they award them self a win from the back of the pack.

Nice try Johnney.

Better luck next time. ;-)

Cheers.

Not a new tactic, weve seen it before.

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Well you certainly get proof that a person is delusional when they award them self a win from the back of the pack.

Nice try Johnney.

Better luck next time. ;-)

Cheers.

Not a new tactic, weve seen it before.

Yeah, I.D. is very good at it.

Cheers.

I want this man as my King - Jesus;

White Jesus? If you can't get the race of your own beloved savior right, why should I trust you about anything else?

You can tell me. This is all a hoot for you; right?

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You can tell me. This is all a hoot for you; right?

It would be as it has always been John-boy's form. ;-)

Cheers.

I find this a very strange claim considering you are from Ireland that has its own set of gods and mythologies.

It is only the Abrahamic faiths that have GOD (singular) all other faiths eg, Hindu, Viking, Celtic, Roman, Egyptian, Native American etc have gods and goddesses.

Hi Esme,
Your British, so you should be quite familiar with the British Mythology. Ohhhh... I bet you could tell us tales of King Arthur, and his Knights of the round table. Yes, and a thousand other tales of the royal line of Kings and Queens of the Island of Britannia. Isn't that correct Esme (Sorry if i'm spelling your name wrong). The history of your country especially reads like a mythological film script!

Go back far enough, before the Roman invasion of Britain, and you have an island full of pagans and Druids, building some of the most monumental structures on Earth! Stonehenge and Avebury are just the icing on the cake. There could be over a million recorded Neolithic structures on the British mainland. And you ask an Archaeologist what they are? In his best Oxford or Cambridge accent, he will tell you, "Ohhh dear, those were primitive barbarians who were doing something religious". But of coarse, they will never expand on what the "religious" stuff is! And before anyone says it, NO, they weren't watching the Sun, Moon and the Star's, NO, they weren't! Its the "God" people built them! The same people that gave you the Christian bible built Stonehenge, and the thousands of monuments all over Western Europe!!!

Esme, its the same thing on my Island, primitive barbarians worshiping stone monuments and false Gods, until all of a sudden, out of no where pops good old Saint Patrick, like magic, to evangelize the pagan Irish and bring us the good old "Word of God", good old Saint Patrick, wasn't he just a great fella! And the Irish have never looked back since!

They were already here, in Ireland, before 4000 BC, and on the Island of Britain, and they were just waiting for us, the descendants of Adam and Eve to get here!! They just couldn't wait for the excitement of us fools to get off the boat so they could play God with us for a few thousand years.

Esme, isn't it funny how there is always a fully consistent and continuous story throughout the whole of British and Irish history. There are no gaps, and everything can be dated! And the dates are so accurate. Think of all the battles in British History, and they have times and dates for every single one of them. And full written accounts of the battles, like as if there is a guy there on the battle field with a note book writing down notes about everything that happens by the minute!!

Its the same in every single nation on Earth. The "God" people were always there just waiting for us to arrive so they could have some fun playing God, with us!

John.

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I can categorically state I'm 100% don't know.
Definitely agnostic with atheist tendencies
I came to this conclusion around age 11, quite some time ago

What is god? First we must define our terms so we are speaking the same language. Philosophical Taoism is a religion that doesn't have what most would call a god, it has the Tao; that translates to way or path. By following the Way one can suffer fools lightly. Many of the Rabbi's (that is what Jesus' flowers called him) teachings had a Taoist flavor.

So what/who do you say g-g is?

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I find this a very strange claim considering you are from Ireland that has its own set of gods and mythologies.

It is only the Abrahamic faiths that have GOD (singular) all other faiths eg, Hindu, Viking, Celtic, Roman, Egyptian, Native American etc have gods and goddesses.

Hi Esme,
Your British, so you should be quite familiar with the British Mythology. Ohhhh... I bet you could tell us tales of King Arthur, and his Knights of the round table. Yes, and a thousand other tales of the royal line of Kings and Queens of the Island of Britannia. Isn't that correct Esme (Sorry if i'm spelling your name wrong). The history of your country especially reads like a mythological film script!

Go back far enough, before the Roman invasion of Britain, and you have an island full of pagans and Druids, building some of the most monumental structures on Earth! Stonehenge and Avebury are just the icing on the cake. There could be over a million recorded Neolithic structures on the British mainland. And you ask an Archaeologist what they are? In his best Oxford or Cambridge accent, he will tell you, "Ohhh dear, those were primitive barbarians who were doing something religious". But of coarse, they will never expand on what the "religious" stuff is! And before anyone says it, NO, they weren't watching the Sun, Moon and the Star's, NO, they weren't! Its the "God" people built them! The same people that gave you the Christian bible built Stonehenge, and the thousands of monuments all over Western Europe!!!

Esme, its the same thing on my Island, primitive barbarians worshiping stone monuments and false Gods, until all of a sudden, out of no where pops good old Saint Patrick, like magic, to evangelize the pagan Irish and bring us the good old "Word of God", good old Saint Patrick, wasn't he just a great fella! And the Irish have never looked back since!

Oh yes, its all been all rainbows and unicorns in Ireland since they adopted Christianity.

They were already here, in Ireland, before 4000 BC, and on the Island of Britain, and they were just waiting for us, the descendants of Adam and Eve to get here!! They just couldn't wait for the excitement of us fools to get off the boat so they could play God with us for a few thousand years.

Oh Johnny, I have no idea why I bothered to get into this with you. You've got the Irish gift of the gab, but it is utter nonsense.

Esme, isn't it funny how there is always a fully consistent and continuous story throughout the whole of British and Irish history. There are no gaps, and everything can be dated! And the dates are so accurate. Think of all the battles in British History, and they have times and dates for every single one of them. And full written accounts of the battles, like as if there is a guy there on the battle field with a note book writing down notes about everything that happens by the minute!!

All the history we have is written down from more than one source along with other physical evidence. The same does not apply to bible. In fact the story of Jesus is often contradicted by a lot of the written roman histories and the physical evidence.

Its the same in every single nation on Earth. The "God" people were always there just waiting for us to arrive so they could have some fun playing God, with us!

John.

Perhaps some of us still worship the old gods and goddesses? I find they are more balanced than the insane Hebrew being you call your god.

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Oh yes, its all been all rainbows and unicorns in Ireland since they adopted Christianity.

Just want to correct you Esme,
There are no Unicorns in Irish Mythology! The Unicorns are in YOUR Mythology, British Mythology, remember?

Royal Coat of Arms of the United Kingdom, on Wikipedia;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Royal_Coat_of_Arms_of_the_United_Kingdom.svg


Is that a Unicorn is see before me?

No Esme, we have leprechauns, we must be the lucky ones!

We have "Little Green Men" in our Mythology!!



John :)

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Oh yes, its all been all rainbows and unicorns in Ireland since they adopted Christianity.

Just want to correct you Esme,
There are no Unicorns in Irish Mythology! The Unicorns are in YOUR Mythology, British Mythology, remember?

Royal Coat of Arms of the United Kingdom, on Wikipedia;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Royal_Coat_of_Arms_of_the_United_Kingdom.svg


Is that a Unicorn is see before me?

No Esme, we have leprechauns, we must be the lucky ones!

We have "Little Green Men" in our Mythology!!



John :)

The last time I was in Ireland we went out to the hills for a day trip. We then had trouble getting back in to town because there was an overturned burning car blocking the road and a sniper hidden in the bushes. It was all very alarming. The following night we went to see a movie in a staunch Catholic area. Unfortunately the car wouldn't start and there was an angry crowd of Catholics gathering on the corner across the street. My partner at the time told me on no account to let them hear my English accent because the Catholics would try to kill us if they realised where I was from. His stepfather, a Catholic who had married my partner's Protestant mother and therefore slept with a baseball bat under their bed (just in case there were retaliations) arrived just in time to jump start the car and we sped out of there in a panic. There was much rioting in town that night.

I do not think that GOD has done much for Ireland. :)

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