Guess what I discovered. Our alphabet has just 26 letters. Yet with proper arrangement and selection they also will display the entire written Bible.

What about the Quoran or the Tanakh for example, they weren't written in our alphabet?

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Guess what I discovered. Our alphabet has just 26 letters. Yet with proper arrangement and selection they also will display the entire written Bible.

What about the Quoran or the Tanakh for example, they weren't written in our alphabet?

Neither was the bible.

English Bible History

In would do some of those around here to take note of this para from the link.

In the 1490’s another Oxford professor, and the personal physician to King Henry the 7th and 8th, Thomas Linacre, decided to learn Greek. After reading the Gospels in Greek, and comparing it to the Latin Vulgate, he wrote in his diary, “Either this (the original Greek) is not the Gospel… or we are not Christians.” The Latin had become so corrupt that it no longer even preserved the message of the Gospel… yet the Church still threatened to kill anyone who read the scripture in any language other than Latin… though Latin was not an original language of the scriptures.

What about the Quoran or the Tanakh for example, they weren't written in our alphabet?

The bible was written in Greek. Jesus ostensibly spoke Aramaic. Any language can be transliterated into English (Latin) characters. Even though other languages have different phonemes (sounds) from English they are transliterated easily. For instance the Persian word for god is transliterated as "khoda" where the kh is a single letter in Persian and is sounded similarly to the ch in the German glottal fricative "ach". Some english transliterations also use X for this sound.

I am not a linguist but I almost married one.

Ok so guys!
I guess the debate is settled so! I win, hands down!!!

It seems at this stage nobody has been able to put forward a reasonable scientific argument to prove i'm wrong!!! Therefore, I win!!!

Now, how can I get started converting the Atheists here at SETI, to Christianity? Would any of you like to hear some nice quotes from the Bible. Will I do a nice reading of the Gospel of Matthew? Would you Atheists like that?

Or would you Atheist's just prefer to fall down on your knees and pray to the Lord Jesus Christ, the King of All Heaven and Earth?

Here is a nice rendition of Ave Maria to get you started;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bosouX_d8Y
(Mary, the Mother of God)

And we can say a little prayer for the souls of the Atheists, and hope they will give up their wicked ways and convert to the way of the Lord God, Jesus Christ, who is inside your body right now, in the cells of your body, Jesus is in your DNA!!

John-Paul.

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In the 1490’s another Oxford professor, and the personal physician to King Henry the 7th and 8th, Thomas Linacre, decided to learn Greek. After reading the Gospels in Greek, and comparing it to the Latin Vulgate, he wrote in his diary, “Either this (the original Greek) is not the Gospel… or we are not Christians.” The Latin had become so corrupt that it no longer even preserved the message of the Gospel… yet the Church still threatened to kill anyone who read the scripture in any language other than Latin… though Latin was not an original language of the scriptures.

As a follow-up to this very real problem:

I learned latin at a very young age by being an altar boy where i could connect the rote learning of the ordinary of the Mass with what I could read in my Missal as an English translation. Later on I took 4 years of latin in High School. Some time later the Ordinary ( the part repeated each day as ritual) of the Catholic mass was changed into English. I was appalled at the change in both language and meaning just from this one other attempt at translation from the Latin into English.

Play the game of "Telephone" where by one person reads a short paragraph to another and this is repeated a half dozen times to others. The resulting story that comes out the other end will look nothing like what went in. All of this was in the same language remember. Not so from Aramaic to Greek to Latin and so on.

That just triggers the latch that causes this

Johnny wrote: Here is a nice rendition of Ave Maria to get you started;"



Johnny, my son, I am praying for your speedy recovery.

The Ave Maria is the ever popular and eponymous "Hail Mary". I used to say it in Spanish when I went to school in Key West Florida. I had it sung in Latin at my wedding. Pavoratti's version is my favorite. Next is the lovely Joan Baez who sings in German possibly because of Schubert's composition of the melody.

Johnny wrote: Here is a nice rendition of Ave Maria to get you started;"



Johnny, my son, I am praying for your speedy recovery.

The Ave Maria is the ever popular and eponymous "Hail Mary". I used to say it in Spanish when I went to school in Key West Florida. I had it sung in Latin at my wedding. Pavoratti's version is my favorite. Next is the lovely Joan Baez who sings in German possibly because of Schubert's composition of the melody.

Ohh, Dad, Dad, Daddio,
My old friend,
So you were also an alter boy as a child. I too was an alter boy in the catholic church as a child, wonderful days, I remember them. And Daddio, they taught you Latin? Daddio, did "they" also tell you that Latin is "God's language"? God's languages are Hebrew, Latin and Greek. So Daddio, as a child, "they" taught you to recite the Word of God, in God's own language, Latin! And you did it in the "House of God", in the Church. Did you ever notice how priests never refer to churches as just buildings built by men? No, they always call the churches the "House of God".

Yes, so even at your wedding to your lovely wife, an angel sang Ave Maria, the Hail Mary. And in the presence of God, and with God as your witness, you took your wife's hand in marriage. God wrote down what you did that day Bill, did you know that? Did you know that God wrote it down, in his book?

Daddio, isn't it beautiful to be part of God, part of the Body of Christ, and be together with other people in the House of God, the incredible churches that are in every single village, town and city in the world. God is everywhere Daddio, you just have to open your eyes to see it. Ask for God's help and he will help you to see it.

John.

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Ok so guys!
I guess the debate is settled so! ... do a nice reading of the Gospel of Matthew? Would you Atheists like that?

... and hope they will give up their wicked ways and convert... Jesus is in your DNA!!

Ooooer!

What about us poor Scientists?

What you gonna do? Excommunicate us?!

(From something that we merely study of rather than 'believe in'?)


Note that Monty Python RESURRECTED are performing at the London Arena. Good for an irreverent giggle :-)


Keep searchin',
Martin

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... No, they always call the churches the "House of God"...

Always did find it odd and disconcerting how the priests talked as thought to some invisible (imaginary) ghost standing in from of them...


All a very odd game of "make believe"...

And I thought adults grew out of that sort of thing...


Keep searchin',
Martin

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What you gonna do? Excommunicate us?!

Keep searchin',
Martin

Martin,
I'm not going to do anything to you Martin! But you should have a quick read of the Bible, and it will tell you what everyone else are going to do to you!

You have nothing to fear from me, i'm pretty harmless. Its the people that live near by you Martin, those are the people you have to fear most, the Christians that live near by you. From start to finish, the Bible is a very violent book, its all about retribution and punishment for those who made a mockery of the word of God. I can just picture it in my head Martin - The Christians who live down the road from you, they will just be rubbing their hands together, and saying, "Lets get Martin this time, he spent his time mocking the word of God. And he wrote it all on an internet forum as proof!".

John.

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Play the game of "Telephone" where by one person reads a short paragraph to another and this is repeated a half dozen times to others. The resulting story that comes out the other end will look nothing like what went in. All of this was in the same language remember. Not so from Aramaic to Greek to Latin and so on.

Then there is the problem of slang, puns and poetic license in the original that doesn't translate well into English. Especially when the original Greek was a translation from Hebrew. We get Jesus riding into Jerusalem on two donkeys.

The Hebrew said;

Zechariah 9:9
“Behold, your King is coming to you;
He is just and having salvation,
Lowly and riding on a donkey,
A colt, the foal of a donkey.

In Hebrew that was poetic to say the same thing two ways.

Mathew translated it;

Matthew 21:1-11
The disciples went and did just as Jesus had instructed them,
and brought the donkey and the colt, and laid their coats on them;

Mathew didn't fully understand Hebrew poetry.

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Play the game of "Telephone" where by one person reads a short paragraph to another and this is repeated a half dozen times to others. The resulting story that comes out the other end will look nothing like what went in. All of this was in the same language remember. Not so from Aramaic to Greek to Latin and so on.

Then there is the problem of slang, puns and poetic license in the original that doesn't translate well into English. Especially when the original Greek was a translation from Hebrew. We get Jesus riding into Jerusalem on two donkeys.

The Hebrew said;

Zechariah 9:9
“Behold, your King is coming to you;
He is just and having salvation,
Lowly and riding on a donkey,
A colt, the foal of a donkey.

In Hebrew that was poetic to say the same thing two ways.

Mathew translated it;

Matthew 21:1-11
The disciples went and did just as Jesus had instructed them,
and brought the donkey and the colt, and laid their coats on them;

Mathew didn't fully understand Hebrew poetry.

This is also what I meant with this book.

Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why

This is the book description.

For almost 1,500 years, the New Testament manuscripts were copied by hand––and mistakes and intentional changes abound in the competing manuscript versions. Religious and biblical scholar Bart Ehrman makes the provocative case that many of our widely held beliefs concerning the divinity of Jesus, the Trinity, and the divine origins of the Bible itself are the results of both intentional and accidental alterations by scribes.

In this compelling and fascinating book, Ehrman shows where and why changes were made in our earliest surviving manuscripts, explaining for the first time how the many variations of our cherished biblical stories came to be, and why only certain versions of the stories qualify for publication in the Bibles we read today. Ehrman frames his account with personal reflections on how his study of the Greek manuscripts made him abandon his once ultra–conservative views of the Bible.

The editorial reviews are copyrighted, so I won't copy them here, but they can be read on the web page. This book was fascinating, along with his many other books. I highly recommend them to anyone who wants to know how the Bible was constructed, and what it is really saying.

Steve

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Guess what I discovered. Our alphabet has just 26 letters. Yet with proper arrangement and selection they also will display the entire written Bible.

LOL, I like that, wish I'd thought of it first ;-)

This is also what I meant with this book.

Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why

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The editorial reviews are copyrighted, so I won't copy them here, but they can be read on the web page. This book was fascinating, along with his many other books. I highly recommend them to anyone who wants to know how the Bible was constructed, and what it is really saying.

Steve

Steve,
Your a self professed Man of Science. So why are you reading books about the Bible, and recommending that we read them too?

John.

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This is also what I meant with this book.

Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why

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The editorial reviews are copyrighted, so I won't copy them here, but they can be read on the web page. This book was fascinating, along with his many other books. I highly recommend them to anyone who wants to know how the Bible was constructed, and what it is really saying.

Steve

Steve,
Your a self professed Man of Science. So why are you reading books about the Bible, and recommending that we read them too?

John.

Because they are written as history. These are not teaching religion in the traditional sense, but reality. Many people who read the Bible every week in church, have no idea how it was actually constructed. They usually don't teach that in church, as many of the followers would actually start thinking......

Steve

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This is also what I meant with this book.

Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why

....

The editorial reviews are copyrighted, so I won't copy them here, but they can be read on the web page. This book was fascinating, along with his many other books. I highly recommend them to anyone who wants to know how the Bible was constructed, and what it is really saying.

Steve

Steve,
Your a self professed Man of Science. So why are you reading books about the Bible, and recommending that we read them too?

John.

Because they are written as history. These are not teaching religion in the traditional sense, but reality. Many people who read the Bible every week in church, have no idea how it was actually constructed. They usually don't teach that in church, as many of the followers would actually start thinking......

Steve

Steve,
No, that still doesn't explain why a Man of Science would be reading any kind of Biblical book, doesn't matter if it was written in an historical way! The book. Steve, the book has the word "Jesus" in the title. As a Man of Science, does that not just make you sick. Steve, I don't get it? Why Steve?

John.

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This is also what I meant with this book.

Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why

....

The editorial reviews are copyrighted, so I won't copy them here, but they can be read on the web page. This book was fascinating, along with his many other books. I highly recommend them to anyone who wants to know how the Bible was constructed, and what it is really saying.

Steve

Steve,
Your a self professed Man of Science. So why are you reading books about the Bible, and recommending that we read them too?

John.

Because he's a wise man, if you ask me, John:)

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Steve,
No, that still doesn't explain why a Man of Science would be reading any kind of Biblical book, doesn't matter if it was written in an historical way! The book. Steve, the book has the word "Jesus" in the title. As a Man of Science, does that not just make you sick. Steve, I don't get it? Why Steve?

John.

When "they" want to burn you at the stake ...
Know thy enemy.

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Steve,
No, that still doesn't explain why a Man of Science would be reading any kind of Biblical book, doesn't matter if it was written in an historical way! The book. Steve, the book has the word "Jesus" in the title. As a Man of Science, does that not just make you sick. Steve, I don't get it? Why Steve?

John.

When "they" want to burn you at the stake ...
Know thy enemy.

Good answer Gary!
That could well be one reason why "Science Man Steve" is reading Biblical books!

What about you Gary? Are you also secretly reading Biblical books, maybe to "Know thy enemy" as you suggest? Gary are you secretly reading the Bible? If you are, tell me, its ok!

This also beckons the question;
Who else on this SETI forum is a "Closet Christian"?

A "Closet Christian" being someone that is pretending to be an Atheist scientifically minded person. But in reality, would really like the God story, and the Biblical story to be true?

Comon, you Closet Christians, stand up and be counted, admit you prefer a world with a Loving Caring God! And Jesus Christ as your King!

I want this man as my King - Jesus;



John.

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